speed dieting - please help!

[NotYou_NoLongerMyself]

Originally Posted by Carbine

Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent, loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life. There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.

"intellegent"

Moving on.
~

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on these boards, and I've seen a lot of rule-breaking and such. You've topped them.

SWIY don't need to lose weight, SWIY need to go get psychiatric help.

Don't bother trying to convince me that I've no clue what it's like to "feel fat," SWIM has been a diagnosed anorexic for roughly 25 years, and was finally told in late '06 SWIM was terminally ill due to all the physical damage SWIM did to their body.
SWIM was to die in May 2008. SWIM is still here, obviously, but is trapped in a wheelchair, fed by TPN (Direct line in veins, because digestive system has failed.), lives with 8 inches of colon outside SWIM's body, and currently going through multiple organ failure.
SWIM has no friends (There goes popularity), SWIM only leaves their home to go into the hospital, has no teeth, take seizures, has been in 3 comas [all at 74lbs, in the midst of trying to lose "just 5 more pounds...then maybe 10..."] resulting in brain damage, huge bald spots, loads of hair on SWIM's face, chest, stomach, etc (SWIM is female, but this is one more of the many side effects of dangerous method of weight loss), strokes, heart attacks, liver and kidney failure, urethral, vaginal and rectal prolapse [real sexy, huh?] and this isn't even the entire list of bullshit SWIM is dealing with because of dangerous weight loss methods/eating disorder.

The above does not only apply to those who are underweight, the above, and much more, including sudden death can occur at ANY weight.

SWIM is 5'7" and 75lbs (Or 170cm and 34kg) and STILL THINKS SWIM IS FAT.
SWIM has seen many weights show up on their scale, but whenever they looked at themselves, they never changed in appearance.
[All this due to wishing not to look like a woman because of past trauma. What a nice successful like SWIM lives, huh? SWIM has a mother and father, three cats and a rat they care so much about, and because of all this shit, they will live to see SWIM's death. It keeps her up at night, how much hurt SWIM is causing the ones SWIM cares about.]

All that being said; SWIY are welcome to join in...or go find something better to do with SWIY life.

SWIY may not be in the same situation, however, this statement:
"There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead."

Proves psychiatric help is in need.

Does SWIY care to take a few moments to think not for themselves but for what hurt SWIY will be causing ANYONE ELSE AROUND THEM?

If SWIY needs a little more of a reality check, SWIM has a journal following her health effects and speaking more about these issues, SWIY might just get a chance to see their future following the path SWIY posted about.
PM for the link if curiosity arises.

NotYou_NoLongerMyself added 136 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by 9-thc4me

Our bodies have to have 3-5% fat for males and 5-7% fat for females to survive.

A woman should have around 20-25% body fat. [Men 8%-14%]

To stay alive a woman must have over 12% body fat. Going lower can result in death.

Many bodybuilding females range in at around 14%. Going below 14% is can cause permanent physical damage and/or death.

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[NikkiSixx]

carbine, dont let vanity destroy your life. anyone who thinks its better to die than be fat needs to see a psychologist because you have worse problems than being fat. if you only want to be thin so people will "like" you more then your wrong, people may be nicer because you look better but they still wont give a rats ass about you. know who your real friends are, and think about them before you commit because if you do in fact get hooked on speed, which is probably alot easier than you think, then you might lose them. isdestroying your body,losing lots of money, and losing your real friendsall worth it for a few compliments from strangers?

[tryptamaster]

ok this thread is wrong on so many levels.... no discussion of prices is permitted and dont do a speed diet. its very dangerous to ur body and not at all worth it.

[Gahaba22]

While I would never offically condone the use of speed to lose weight, I am not so naive as to think people aren't going to try it anyway! Given that and the fact that Dr's can and do prescribe stimulants for weight loss, I am prviding the following suggestions.



See the above post by gahaba22. I do not condone snorting speed or smoking it because these routes have a much higher incidence of addiction. You should not try and fool yourself into thinking you are dieting, if all you are really doing is getting high!



geeb

[jaspurr]

<blockquote> Shit(regular meth) is for losing weight. Crystal is for getting "high". <hr></blockquote><hr>[/i]<hr>
not true, you can get just as high on street grade speed.



<blockquote>I worked out like a mothafuka after my "diet".<hr></blockquote><hr>
Beware, do not exercise whilst on amphetamines, your blood pressure and heart rate are high enough, you could overdo it and end up having a heart attack or stroke.



Just remember, drugs, diets and addiction are like taking a bank loan - you have to pay it back with interest.



When you stop using you will have to catch up on all the sleep and food you missed. You will sleep continuously only getting up to eat and you know that sleeping and eating without activity will make you put on pure fat.



Not to mention you will be very depressed and even suicidal, you could also end up suffering schizophrenia-like psychosis.



You can also lose your hair and teeth which unfortunately will not return like your weight will.



It is better to use speed to get high or even to focus for study, etc. but for weight loss it is only short term or effective while you are using. Just like all diets you will put on more than what you started with when you finish.



To lose weight effectively work out a weight loss plan by eating healthy and exercising regularly, you have to change your current habits, there is no quick fix that will give permanent results.



Unfortunately a weight loss plan is something you have to stick to for life especially if you have a slow metabolism. Nature gave us slow metabolisms so that we can survive long periods without food but with modern conveniences we now eat way too much and exercise too litte.



the frog prints...

[GlassPrincess]

like you said you tried it before and the weight came back.. its just like a "fad" diet persay. yeah its great while your on it and yeah youve lost a few pounds but unless you want to constantly be tweaked just to lose those few extra pounds, its not worth it. its expensive, addictive, and kind of a waste if dieting is the only thing your really using it for.


just eat right and excersize, spend your money on healthy food and shit and leave the meth for fun recreational use.

[BCgirl]

i've known a guy who lost like 18 lbs in like 2 weeks.. and he's kept it off... Lucky guy.. I have always thought about taking meth to lose weight.. here Vancouver, BC meth is cheaper to buy and last longer than coke.. somebody told me that meth is a jittery feeling? and coke is well expensive... i have like 20 lbs to lose at least I know, I know excersise and more but it's hard to do than... when I was skinnier.. i had more respect.. now ppl don't look at me the same way.. it's like ewww.. you let yourself go.. don't we live in such a crazy world???


Any nice thoughts? PM me

[Micklemouse]

BUMP Jaspurr and the 'Princess to the top and close the topic please!!! The only way to effectively lose and keep off weight is to eat healthily and exercise. Look at what you eat and why you eat it, do some homework on what it does to the body nutritionally, find healthy alternatives to the junk you may like, walk instead of using the car, whatever, but speed IS NOT a good solution.

Ask yourself this - would you rather be plump and sane, if a bit dissatisfied, or an irritable, depressed, paranoid, potentially psychotic skeleton with bad teeth and an increased risk of osteoporosis? Remember also that the drugs used by the medical profession to deal with the nastier psychological effects of amphetamine use will invariably stimulate your appetite, slow down your metabolism, and make you PUT WEIGHT ON!!!

I can't believe people have actually been encouraging
someone to speed diet. It can work, but in my experience the risks greatly outweigh the benefits, making it a bad risk. Talk to your doctor, see a dietician, but keep speed for fun, and be very, very careful!!!

[Carbine]

Thanks for all your replies guys.

I'm still debating what to do.

Seriously tho, most of you seem concerned about the health thing...honestly to tell you the truth, i'd rather f**k with my physical health than be constantly unhappy in my mind because i feel fat. That's all i can say, sorry.

But thanks for your concern...

I figured i'm currently taking like, 2-4 points of amp a day to study and concentrate, so what do i need to do from here? I didn't realise i was taking that amount, thought it was a bit less LOL.

[Micklemouse]

Carbine, it's not just a physical health issue. It's a mental health issue as well, and the two are inextricably linked. If you're taking speed because you're unhappy, then the chances are you'll still be unhappy after you've been taking speed for a while, if not heading for a major depression(if you're lucky...).

In the medium to long term, amphetamine addiction is something that creeps up on you - suddenly you realise that you feel like shit without a bit of speed in your system, and even with it it gets harder to concentrate and retain information(speed depletes calcium and B vitamins, both essential for mental and physical well being).

Too many good people have fucked up by trying to address deep rooted problems like body image with stimulants alone - it's like putting an elastoplast on a gun wound, IT DOESN'T WORK!. Speak to a counsellor, a friend, look at ways of boosting your confidence(other than speed!), but turning your brain to cobwebs and your body to a shell isn't worth it.

Btw, how old are you? I'll try not to sound too patronising(apologies if I do!),but if you're still in your teens/early twenties, then ther's still a chance that the excess weight will go on it's own, with a bit of dietary awareness, and without speed. Just a thought...

Best of luck, but please do look at other options before you end up with an expensive habit with potentially more downsides than up.

[joevette]

Using rec drugs for weightloss is crazy. That's why there is a whole array of diet drugs made for just that reason, DIETING. When I need to lose weight (fat) I go on DNP, an appetite suppresant like sibutramine, and a few other things. I'll lose 2lbs of fat a day, without losing any muscle!

Go to a bodybuilding board and research:
DNP
clenbuterol
T3
ECA
ECY

None of these are addictive, in fact you will be very glad to get off DNP because it makes you sweat.

[Carbine]

Micklemouse: I already suffer severe depression. Been on antidepressants for 4 years.

I'm 23 btw.

[Micklemouse]

Carbine, I'm sorry to hear that, but all the more
reason to leave stimulants alone. Which antidepressant
do you take? Remember that some antidepressants can
stimulate appetite in some people.

Also, if I'd been taking an antidepressant for 4 years
and was still severely depressed I'd be asking myself
what exactly this medicine was doing for me.
Antidepressants on their own can be helpful for a
while, but they don't address any of the underlying
issues that actually lead to depression. Speak to your
doctor about some counselling or cbt(cognitive
behaviour therapy) - find out what's available, and
give it a go.

Swim took stimulants for a long time while depressed,
and they really don't help!

[OneDiaDem]

This is wrong on so many levels. Every person I know who used any type of speed to lose weight, gained it all back, and then some when they stopped using.
Try walking, and not eating so much. If you cut your food intake in half, and excersize, your gonna lose weight. Or, try the Atkins diet. Drink lots of water to flush your system.

This will work, yes, but be prepared to gain it back with more. If I ever needed to lose weight, this would not be the route I would chose. I have seen to many people worse off.</font>

[OneDiaDem]

If you are set on this course, listen to the wise words of Kemikaru_Tenshu in this thread.</font>

[cyalume]

Originally Posted by Carbine

a lot I need to lose...in pounds it's like 22 - 33lbs.

you should just run ~5-7 miles per day and lift weights twice a week. You'll lose 20lbs of fat and put on some good musclein a month or two and not have to worry about getting addicted.

[Dj_chill]

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Hey there, I know just how u feel, I was pretty fat for a good three/ four years and it makes you so miserable!The only thing I wud say to you is to be careful how you diet, fair enough I went from size 18 to an 8 in less than 6 months BUT I have to constantly explain how i lost so much to people at work etc and I have been taking base for about a year and a half now cos you just put all the weight back on(making you even more miserable)if you stop taking it, and now I am so paranoid about everything! I guess you have to find a way that works for you....ps. if u have a cure for paranoia let me know

[annacm]

i am a former anorexic/bulimic so when i first tried meth it was like the miracle drug for me. i think thats why im still hooked to this day. I dont think i would use it as much if it we'rnt for dieting purposes.I can lose as much as 3 pounds in a day from speed. most of this is water though. But as for anyone who uses speed knows, you dont eat dont sleep, dont really care, untill you come down. thats when you start to pig OUT! and sure enough you'll gain the weight you lost right back. As with me atleast/ I eat untill I get more meth. But at one point I was on a meth binge that lasted 14 days. I dropped a ton of weight!!!!! like 20 pounds./some being water/ and yes i felt better looked better, untill I was broke had no more meth and gained it all back, and then some. my advice is , if you want a drug that will help you to lose weight try coke, cause when I atleast come down offa coke I dont pig out..and the cravings are'nt sh!t compaired to meth.iv done so much coke and i never go threw withdrawls from it. but thats me..

[yahouda]

Hi,


A sedentary lifestyle makes most food turn to fat. I used to joke that I had my summer weight, (when I played golf and when I was younger and didn't have osteo, tennis) and my winter weight which was 15lbs heavier.


Well now it's 25 lbs heavier but I started with a prescription for Tenuate about 5 months ago and lost about 15 of the 25. I can't do too much because of the osteo but both long lasting oxy and rescue oxy help alot and at least let me play golf in a powercart (it's not the walking it's pulling a cart) that I can't do and after 15 holes nothing I take gets rid of the pain.


Anyway, even though I haven't lost more weight the Tenuate (1 75mg 3 times a day) ward off some of the drowsiness from the oxys


I know they have caffiene pills but I was wondering if there bad for you and how much you'd have to take to have the same effect (drowsiness wise as the Tenuate). I'm sure its alot cheaper but does it also curb your appetite?


In a way I'm luckey that I'm very tall the 223lbs doesen't look too bad on me but my wife's a health nut and it pisses her off that I don't eat much during the day but have a huge piece of apple pie and icecream an hr before going to bed. This probably goes straight to fat.


I did coke for a while (every day) for a couple of months about 15yrs ago which really curbed my appetite but aside from being expensive believe it or not I got bored with it. Never did crack though. It scared me big time seeing what it did to people.


One of these months my DR.'s going to say thats it for the Tenuate it's summer time go play golf so I'm going to need something for the drowzies and if I ask him for Ritalin he might go ballistic. I'm on a really helpful program for the pain so I want to stay under the radar because he keeps telling me that if I hadn't been his patient for 20 yrs and I always have meds left over when I go for refills of the oxys theres no way he'd continue which would put me in a world of real hurt.


Y


Whadayathink?

[conjo]

just a question on this topic, how does the speed make u lose the weight. I mean is it only helping u lose weight cause you dont eat, or does the speed high also cause u to burn more enegry as your heart pumps faster ect. is it increasing ur metabolism?

[9-thc4me]

The Amphetamines are CNS stimulants that decrease apetite, increase plasma free fatty acid levels, increase body temperature, increase heart reate/blood pressure, and have sympathetic effects on the cardiovascular and respiratory functions.


Amphetamines have had a long history of use in weight loss and athletics most of which we have found out being of less help that previously thought. In the early 1900s to the 60s many body builders and fitness models used amphetamines to lose weight or "cut up". For this they are fairly helpful if usedright and short term. Overall compared to current research on CNS stimulants and other drugs used today in body building and the fitness world the amphetamines are crude and fairly outdated.


Amphetamine induced weight loss is basically achieved by:


1. Extreme apetite suppression


2. Stimulation(increased heart rate)


3. Raised body temperature.


Most people who achieve wieghtloss via amphetamines do in an extremely un-healthy matter.... you say you don't care.... well listen up and you will.


Amphetamine induced weight loss is basically stimulated starvation, thus your body realizing that its food supply is cut goes into preservation mode thus burning less calories a day and diminishing muscle 'lean' tissue. If you did achieve a weight loss of 15 kgs by amphetamines it would result in at least a few kgs of muscle loss. Why does this matter? Well muscle keeps fat in check, muscle is metabolic tissue. By the fact that you have muscle your body has to burn more calories a day just to sustain that muscle. Thus a person with the same stats as another person who has just a few kgs of more muscle on average could eat about 500 more calories a day and still stay the same weight and body fat percent. Bottom line, even if you dont want to be muscular... you want muscle, especially being a female and havingon average 20% less muslce than males.If you do acheive your goal with amphetamines, you still cant take amphetamines forever. You will eventually have to stop... if you don't then the consequences could.... no will be extremely dire. So when you do come off of them to maintain that weight you would have to eat much less calories a day than you would today just to maintain your weight, and if your having trouble with weight now, then that is going to be damn near impossible.


All this is in addition to the other side effects of amphetamines.


Do you really want to lose weight?.... or rather do you want to lose weight and never have to deal with it again? Amphetamines can help only short term and for a few kgs. So you still want to lose weight and have that image that is rightfully yours? Well, you can. It's gonna take a bit of work and a few lifestyle changes, but trust me you can learn to love every minute of it.


First let me say something about other over the counter diet pills.... they all suck, they're nothing but caffeine and they will work for a very very very very small minority of people. I'm not gonna lie to you, amphetamines are much more powerful than over the counter shit, and they can help you lose weight, but notice how their illegal. In fact if you look in the steroid world all the products suck that aren't illegal. If the FDA or DEA saw anything on wall-mart shelves that could do amazing things, they would rush to take it off the shelves faster than you could imagine. It happened with ephedrine. What? You thought ephedrine was banned because it was dangerous. Well if you think ephedrine is dangerous then you have no idea what amphetamines can do. The entire supplement industry is a multi-million dollar scam and your making them rich. The human body is a work of wonder and you can learn to naturally manipulate your metabolism and lose weight without having over work yourself.


Now on to a crash coarse in weight loss:


There is one fundamental rule in all of fitness, screw all the no fats or no carbs crap. There is but one rule:


calories consumedversus calories burned.


Burn more than you consume and you will lose weight.


Low carb diets are another thing I would like to dismiss here. All they do is make you eat proteins and fats which keep you full. If you look at total calories, low carb diets take in much less, that is why they work. Also no carbs means no insulin, and more protein means more thermogenesis(increased internal body temperature increases fat burning).


Now on to metabolism. Scientifically defines this is the combined reaction of anabolism(buildingprotein)and catabolism(tearing proteins down). Each person has their own BMR, basal metabolic rate. This is the number of calories a person's bodyburns each day withoutany activity.


(http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/bmr-formula.phpis a link to help you figure out your bmr)


My personal bmr is about 2600, if I eat less than 2600 calories a day my body goes into preservation mode which it tries to conserve energy. Never eat less calories than your Bmr. My total calories burned in a day is 3000. I eat 3500 calories a day, for the reason that I am a body builder (well i lift weights), and I am trying to put on muscle. The reason my body burns 2600 calories a day without any activity is because I have quite a bit more muscle than the average dude. (Average male bmr is 1800). This is about weight loss and not weight (muscle) gain soI will not get into that. If i wanted to lose weight what I would do and recommend everyone do is first determine your body fat percent. Once you have this figured out, find out how much fat you have on your body. My body fat percent is 7(average male is 9-13, and average female is 13-16) andI weigh 165 pounds.


Therefore my total fat weight is 11.55 pounds. Our bodies have to have 3-5% fat for males and 5-7% fat for females to survive. Most body builders come contest time cut down to about 3-5%, so they have literally no extra fat on them.


Once you figure out your fat weight and %, change your calorie intake to a couple hundred above your bmr. Lets take me for example, if my bmr is 2600 I would probably eat 2800 calories a day. Since I burn about 3000 calories a day I would burn an extra of 1400 calories per week without any excersice, there are 3500 caloreis in a pound of fat. So I'm burning about half a pound a week with no excersize.


Exercise is essential for losing weight, so is eating less. Exercise does two things it burns calories and raises metabolism by as much as 2000%!! That's right by as much as 2000%!! Exercise everday is not only not needed but it is over training, even olympic athletes only go at it 5-6 times a week, and olympic athletes are way over the goals of common weight loss, so 3 times a week is plenty. Aerobic exercise is good but anaerobic is arguably even better. Anaerobic buildes mucsle but while you are eating less calories than you burn you will not gain much muscle. So no need to worry about being overly muscular. Keep your body guessing and try to keep work outs between 30-45 minutes.


Now a word on nutrition. All food groups are essential, but protein is the athletes best friend, even if you don't want to gain muscle. When digested it takes 25 calories to burn 100 grams of protein rather than 5 calories for 100 grams of carbs.Also protein raises body temp. and helps you lose even more weight.An ideal ratio is 20% fats, 30% protein, and 50% carbs. And no carbs doesnt mean sugar, use common sense, eat whole grain, natural foods. But this doesnt mean go fruit crazy or anything. Keep it balanced. I could go on and on and on about nutrition and fitness, but i think you go the jist of it, here are a few more tips and links to help you out. I originally wanted to simply check my email, but now ive written a 3 page post. I hope you benefit in some way from what i have said.








Here are a few more tips:


Water, drink it....


Split up your meals into 5-6 smaller meals, this raises metabolism


Get all your vitamins


Eat complex carbs, not refined sugars


Eat with each meal some sort of carb and protein, helps control insulin (insulin is wat stores stuff in your body and what makes you fat).


Keep healthy, and enjoy life.


Rememer the journey is never as good as the inn. Lose weight, but enjoy doing it, dont fret or get depressed over it. As long as you startsincerely you are taking control, taking drugs means your just losing that control. Good luck with you friend, may you find in life what you are looking for.





btw www.elitefitness.com is a great site, Tom Venuto has a book out called burn the fat, feed the muscle, i don't mean to write an ad for this guy, but it is a great book if you can invest the money.

[jduba]

Originally Posted by Carbine

Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it
is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was
thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent,
loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i
wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life.
There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself
sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.

Carbine, honey, (i'm not joking about this reply or being mean/rude)
but this is one of the saddest things that i have seen quoted in a long
while. honestly if your life is worth anything to you or if you care
for the ones around you that love you then you will get your ass of the
couch and diet and ecsercise. if you choose the meth route then you may
get to kiss the weight goodbye but your friends and family too. your
personality will change your goals, your focus in life, most everything
WILL change if you get addicted! please seek out professional help and
dont put your life on the line to be thin. praying for the best for you



P.S. and don't reply with "i'm fat nobody likes me boohoo you dont know
how it feels" ive been a big guy my whole life and im gay and let me
tell you in noooo community is weight more important than in the gay
community but you will find good and quite sexy people out there that
will love you! you might just be looking in the wrong places

[conjo]

How much weight (rough guess)will u lose over 2 weeks if u use 0.5 grams a day?. will u lose more by using 1 gram a day for a whole week? or spread it to 0.5 over 2 weeks? or shouls u do some thing like, 3 days on. a day off ...ect? just wondering in your experiance which way causes most dramatic weight loss, and has anyone lost the weight and kept it off? or do u all put it straight back on again when u stop?

[lolomgwtfbbq]

If you do approximately 40mg [insuffalated] of Adderall per day, would that help you lose any weight?



& what about working out when spun?

[variation]

well, I agree with you wanting to loose fat, as I'm sure most people on this forum could. It is only a logical thing to dislike excess adipose tissue. we actually need very little, and any excess is just wasted excess weight which has no important function in our society... if you want to have a greater weight, then of course muscle is a more practicle one, because muscle has function.

I think methamphetamine is a very good dieting drug, the only problem that I see in your case, is if you are using it very frequently, you are going to deplete your adrenaline/noradrenaline and even dopamine stores... (more importantly the adrenaline/noradrenaline are what cause the thermogenic qualities you seek... in order to do this effectively, you could use l-tyrosine, or acetyl-l-tyrosine(greater bioavailability) because tyrosine is the amino acid precursor to /nor/adrenaline neurotransmitters, as well as dopamine. you must take this on an empty stomach, preferebly a couple hours since meals on either side, because proteins in foods, contain amino acids which will compete for uptake.

but on an ever more important level, you must choose wise foods, and the meth should help keep cravings out of play... some people are different, but what works well for me is a moderate(med-low gi re: glycemic index) carbohydrate/high protein/low fat(fat sources based apon omega-3/poly/mono fats) salmon oil caps are good source of DHA and EPA omega-3 fatty acids, which are important.

exercise every morning on an empty stomach, (smoke some meth beforehand, you'll have plenty of energy for it)
when you exercise on an empty stomach, your insulin levels are low (higher insulin levels inhibit lypolysis)
and, you have had no food eaten in several hours (which means no incoming calorie source, hmm... where else are calories stored... well yep fat, glycogen(complex network of glucose molecules) and muscle... but we hope to avoid taking calories from there.. this can be eliminated by working at a lower intensity in your exercise (lower intensities tend to oxidize fat preferentially, a safe limit to exercise is 60 mins (suggest exercycle, treadmill)

OR another way works better... using anabolic androgenic steroids (not suggest in most cases for females) using certain ones for a period of say 8 weeks (for the dieting phase) can be fairly safe and in most cases causes an increase in protein synthesis and even decline in catabolic hormones.

if you choose that method, then you can work at a higher intensity and reduce muscle wasting, while burning greater amounts of fat and increasing your metabolic rate signigicantly for hours after.

and remember muscle tissue is far more metabolicly active than fat tissue due to far greater mitochondria count (muscle actually has to do stuff) so by having more
muscle tissue, your metabolism is higher)


*lifting weights, using compound exercises is a good idea


5-htp at 100-200mg before bed is probably not a bad idea either... as it will keep serotonin levels higher (I believe meth in higher end dosages starts to effect serotonin to some degree) higher serotonin levels also cause decrease in appetite, specifically carbohydrate cravings.. reason for pre-bed dosing is that some 5-htp can be used to produce melatonin, which may induce a state of drowsiness.

some of my personal food choices include:

sweet potato's
black beans
egg whites
whey protein concentrate
whole oats
soy protein concentrate
random dark green vegetables

..just so you get a jist of what are some good food choices...


I sort of do this type of thing, but I am not using meth currently, but 4-methyl-aminorex, but if I did not have this I would likely use meth.

now just to let you see some of my personal workings, I by no means try to portrait this as something that should be impressing, but it is reasonable to me, I mean I still aim to improve some things, but everyones opinions on what is good differs.



still have about 3 months allowed to reach goals, so far this is where I am at, and I think that I am more than on track and should not experience problems, if any are encountered I will problem solve it.

I hope this gives you some outlook on further things you may wish to invest time researching in order for you to be successful in your plan.