bzp compared to Amphetamine

[blinkKDX]

how does a strong dose of bzp, pure form, say 300mg compare to a dose of adderall or other amphetamine dose of 80mg.

which is more eurphoric?
which is more sociable?
which is "speedier"?
whihc one is liked more over all?

[dnb warrior]

SWIM has never taken pure BZP, he has only tried purple ohms, (with an unknown quantity of BZP plus herbal ingredients)...

he felt more energetic, more sociable and more productive when taking amphetamine, probably had an overall better sense of well-being. in fact amph was better in almost every way, except that the purple ohms seemed maybe more fun and less dull, SWIM felt some rushes through his body and conversation was a lot of fun on purple ohms... this is probably not that much help since the other ingredients in the purple ohms will have affected the result.
also SWIM doesn't really like either that much

[renegades]

This swim used BZP daily for about 4-6 months because swim had a lot of work to do for the boss, but the BZP made swim feel jittery unlike amphetamine which seemed to be more in sync with swim's body. BZP has a shorter life than amphetamine. Plus, the biggie, BZP really does not provide you with a euphoric feeling unlike amphetamines where swim feels like superman at the disco club. BZP upsets the stomach, amphetamine no ill comfort, just feeling great. There is a big drawback, it is realtively easy to stop using BZP without too much physical discomfort, whereas amphetamines swim almost got addicted and quiting was the hardest thing swim has ever done. The withdrawls are awful. Advice - avoid both substances - the bzp because it is not a fun drug or stimulant and amphetamines because of its very strong addictive properties. Instead, invest into some 2Cs, swim thinks you will have a much better time which will improve your quality of life unlike amphetamines that will drag you down into hell.

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Thanks for sharing.

[~lostgurl~]

which is more eurphoric? Amphetamine - BZP was not euphoric for SWIM at all.
which is more sociable? Amphetamine - by far
which is "speedier"? BZP - cause BZP would make SWIM shakey
which one is liked more over all? Amphetamine obviously

[a-SalviaLover]

which is more eurphoric?
Amph deffinately, although the BZP euphoria is somewhat different.

which is more sociable?
Amph (esp meth) can make it impossible to stop talking, whereas BZP makes you a bit more sociable than normal. Althoguh you can speak as fast as much as on amph, it also produces a twisty feeling in your mind which prevents you from becoming as confident as on amph.

which is "speedier"?
It depends on the dose. BZP (100 - 300 mg) is as speedy as smaller doses of amph (10-30 mg). In larger doses, however, (300+mg) BZP produces some nasty side effects (overall sharp body load and tention in the jaw) and doesn't make you feel as speedy as the corresponding dose of amph.

SWIM personally likes both of them and finds both of them addictive. However, while amph makes SWIM take more and don't even think why until the supply is over, BZP doesn't make him want more. The BZP addiction is more of an "unwilling to face the withdrawal" than wanting more. This makes amph twice as hard to stop.

And for the efects amph feels completely clean and natural. Your mind and body feel as if they are on their best fit. While the effects of amph last SWIM doesn't feel doped at all, he feels just the way he should be, but never is because of the drugs he's using. As for BZP, it produces the same dopaminergic stimulation, but it also affect serotonin, which in practise means that you don''t actually feel on your self completely. Your consciousness feels a bit altered while on BZP. And in during the first tries your thoughts feel a little twisted. During the first tries there was also a sense of artificial happiness resembling the happyness you sometimes get when you are high. Nothing even close to the feeling of MDMA.

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Nice comparison. Covers all the angles.

[cyril_sneer]

Amphetamines are nicer

[Euphoric]

What about in terms of productivity, for example at work or study? Anyone able to offer comparisons and doses, etc?

[Pino]

Amphetamines are lot better for studying, but BZP is still better than coffee. Amphetamines are cleaner than BZP, because BZP also have some psychedelic glitches on the background (the twisty feeling ). Of course when taking more than needed these glitches get more prominent. Swim would use it as such:

Just tired -> coffee.
Need to work the next three days 15 hours long -> BZP.
The next two days swim can't sleep -> Amphetamines.

Amphetamines aren't better than BZP in the second case. But BZP is much better than coffee (in respect to the side effects). In the third case Amphetamines are preferable, because the side effects of the BZP tend to outweigh the positive effects. A psychedelic feeling isn't useful, when working. Amphetamines feel cleaner.

To compare effects from strong to minor:
Euphoric: Amphetamines, BZP, Coffee
Sociable: BZP, Amphetamines, Coffee
Speedier: Amphetamines, BZP, Coffee

It is also easier to stop with BZP than with amphetamines. So he would still go for BZP for work as long as possible. Sleep is also easier to obtain. Eating is also easier on BZP than on amphetamines for some reason.

The doses are until the first 300 mg linear. 10 mg amphetamine is +/- 150 mg BZP. (Some say 10 ~ 100 mg, it seems to vary a bit from individual to individual). Above 300 mg (at once) BZP tend to cause strange and for work unwanted effects, like small rushing sensations with a serotogenic feel. Along with shakiness. Tachycardia, overheating and probably high blood pressure (never measured it, but it doesn't feel good). This doesn't happen with tolerance.
The tolerance will double in a week with BZP (with 3 times a day 100 mg) after that it goes slower. A good starter dose for work would be 100 mg or so. -Of course if one is familiar with the stuff- Subsequent dosages of 50 mg can be taken when needed for extra energy. Or 100 mg at setted times. If one needs more one can take more. Swim isn't sure about the risks involved there. Swim needed at the end of a work binge 250 mg and didn't have problems stopping. So one can push it a bit.

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Very good stuff here, thanks for sharing.

[Euphoric]

How about a comparison of usefulness in the context of:
Physical labour
Study
[Essay] writing
Creativity (if people have specific experience for specific arts ie, music, painting, photography, etc)

[Pino]

BZP is a more creative material. Writing is quite fun in swims opinion. There is more a stream of thought than with amphetamines. It is a more associative material. The aesthetic aspect is more important, while on BZP than on amphetamines. Both have the-mind-tries-the-fingers-to-operate-too-fast problem. So you rate of typo's is going up.

But study seems to go faster with amphetamines. The focus is better with amphetamines. That is probably the difference between the two on this.

Heavy physical labor is better with amphetamines, however one would like to say (probably heard it many times): Stimulants aren't good to use, when one needs to do some physical labor.

If it is for householding, swim would chose for BZP. Instead of blindly cleaning up (as with amphetamines), swim could come up with a better way to store things.

[~lostgurl~]

My gal totally disagrees with the above. BZP is like drinking really strong coffee combined with an extremely mild psychedelic. The comedown is mainly physical symptoms such as tiredness, headaches, muscle aches.... anything aches.... due to the body load that BZP causes.

Amphetamines are euphoric, motivating, stimulating and energizing. They increase concentration and in small doses they make any task whether it be physical or mental a pleasure. Because of this amphetamines are much more addictive and apart from exhaustion from lack of sleep the comedown is predominantly psychological and physiological. Cravings and anxiety would be the most common symptoms of amphetamine withdrawal.

My gal says amphetamines beat BZP any day, But addiction is a bitch and due to BZP's lack of euphoria there's not much chance of addiction occuring with regular BZP use.... that is about the only plus side my gal can think of for the BZP side of this argument.

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Thanks for SWIY's two cents

[Pino]

Swim agrees with the above The effects of BZP can vary wildly from person to person. Certainly not everyone likes it. Swim tolerates the effects of piperazines quite well. He doesn't have the body load or the comedown. Swim thinks, that due the mildly psychdelic effects BZP makes it more creative to swim. But lostgurl is right. The statements made in his previous post are anecdotal and personal. They don't apply to anyone. He should have mentioned that.