Experiences - Another Piracetam Experiment...

[Paracelsus]

I've been looking up some information on Piracetam lately and found that there are only three individuals on this forum that are really interested in this magnificent nootropic (SuperLev, daeron, and me).

SWIMs dog really wants to start a two-week Piracetam "treatment" and try some combinations with Piracetam and other drugs, in order to provide some more practical information about this powerful, non-addicting, non-toxic and yet mysterious drug.

To be clear, SWIMs dog will take around 3000mg Piracetam per day, for 14 days, and then try a couple of drugs, see how they work with Piracetam. After the dog's experiment is over, I'll post experiences here.

Any advice will be welcome. If anybody wants to make a similar experiment, let me know.

peace

[ThirdEyeFloond]

SWIM has been interested in this nootropic for some time aswell, and has been using it more or less daily for the last 5 months. On most occasions he has used it in combination with Centrophenoxine because they synergize very well. In dosages ranging from 3000-4800mg pr day in 2 servings (centrophenoxine in one dose 250-500mg pr day).
SWIM has experimented with several recreational drugs while taking the nootropics. He finds that piracetam enhances the effects of some psychedelics (LSD, 2C-B, Psilocybin and cannabis (sativa-dominated strains) in a nicely way, not changing the drugs characteristic effects just making them stronger.

It also potentiates the effects of stimulants alot, SWIM is unsure if it effects the high because his tweaked mind isn't the optimal observer and drugs that mainly act on dopamine doesn't have much recreational value for SWIM in general, but the duration of the effects of meth and amphetamine along with the sleepdepriving abilities are prolonged greatly.
The times SWIM did it for a longer period of time up to a week (unhealthy!) he felt more clearheaded than he usually does after a day or two without sleep, but SWIMs tweaked mind probably wasn't the optimal observer though and was running on natural adrenalin aswell to meet certain deadlines in my studyies.

Piracetam doesn't influence the effect of the opiods SWIM has tested, mainly heroin and codeine, but also morphine on one occassion. He may feel a little bit more zoned when having a momentarely return from the Land of Nod but nothing that can't be accounted for as placebo.

The effects of Ketamine are greatly diminished and SWIM finds it nearly impossible to get fully dissociated and the K-hole dimension never seems to gain full control, SWIY is always 'near the surface'.
On the other hand, SWIM finds that Piracetam does wonders if he doses after returning from the K-hole it helps clearing the k-tarded-ness that can last several hours after a ketamine trip also I've read that it has some neuroprotective effects on NMDA receptors (I'll try to find the article later) so it seems like a good thing to do in any case.

SWIM had a single experience with MDMA and piracetam but he only takes MDMA once or twice a year so his reference frame is a little slim as they always are magical in memory It doesn't harm the effects, that much he can say.

SWIP should keep in mind that piracetam first reaches its full effects after a few months of use, but after 14 days differences should be noticeable and even just one attack dose in combo with a drug would make a difference. SWIM is looking forward to hearing other SWIYs experiences with this wonderful nootropic.

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[sterling77]

Swim's gonna order some soon, he's been interested for so long yet hasn't made himself get some. He's especially interested in combination with other things. What kind of choline do you guys use, swims thinking about coline citrate or bitartrate.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by sterling100

Swim's gonna order some soon, he's been interested for so long yet hasn't made himself get some. He's especially interested in combination with other things. What kind of choline do you guys use, swims thinking about coline citrate or bitartrate.

As stated above SWIM takes centrophenoxine with the piracetam, its chief component is DMAE which according to some is an optimal source for choline

Simple choline supplements, such as choline chloride or bitartrate are often broken down, as much as 60%, by gut bacteria. Thus, centrophenoxine derived DMAE is an especially ideal source of blood and brain choline for several reasons.

Gut bacteria do not digest DMAE, thus avoiding that wasteful trap. The liver quickly and easily converts DMAE to choline as needed. Also, DMAE prevents choline from being irreversibly oxidized to betaine, further raising blood choline levels. Lastly, DMAE passes through the blood brain barrier far more easily than choline.

DMAE may be incorporated into brain cell membranes, where it functions as a powerful hydroxyl free radical scavenger. Or the brain cells may convert the DMAE to choline for their needs. With the help of an enzyme called "CAT", choline is converted to the learning/ memory neurotransmitter acetylcholine.

In the last 2 months he has also taken acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR) in varying doses to help the production of acetylcholine, but honestly hasn't felt much differences in effect.

SWIM forgot to mention caffeine in his first post, the sleepdepriving abilities that goes for other stimulants, goes here aswell. If SWIM drinks 2-3 cups of coffee in the early afternoon he'll experience trouble falling to sleep.

[Paracelsus]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeFloond

SWIM forgot to mention caffeine in his first post, the sleepdepriving abilities that goes for other stimulants, goes here aswell. If SWIM drinks 2-3 cups of coffee in the early afternoon he'll experience trouble falling to sleep.

Forgot to mention that, too. SWIM often used caffeine (500-600mg) with an attack dose of piracetam (8000mg) for staying awake at night for learning. The combo works well, it really helps SWIM focus and one thing that I discovered is that it makes everything sound very interesting to SWIM (i mean shit-ass books and boring conversations with relatives).

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[bewilderment]

Hmmm...I just posted in your dxm thread and suggested using nootropics such as piracetam and choline only to find this thread. Swim has been cutting back on her drug use and thus has not tried many combinations with piracetam since she began taking it about three weeks ago or so.

Swim agrees with the above post saying that it potentiates stimulants. Swim has used piracetam in combination with adderall and found that the effects seemed to last longer and are slightly more intense.

She then tried out some 2C-E a few days ago. Swim never did do any attack dosages. She has been taking approximately 1600mg dosages 2-3 times a day for around 3 weeks. When she did the 2C-E experiment, she took her usual 1600mg dosage along with some choline (she hasn't been taking this regularly, but she found that she had a few left on the day of said experiment and decided to throw that into the mix...she really should go get some more choline or dmae). She doesn't know what the dosage of the choline was because it was not in it's original bottle so she only took one tablet. Anyway, her usual dose of 2C-E is around 16-18mg. She usually finds that it takes a little while to kick in fully unless she smokes a bit of cannabis, but she has been deprived of marijuana for about two months now so all that was taken was the 2C-E, choline, and piracetam.

With her latest experiment, she ingested around 12mg of 2C-E . It did still take a little while before she felt effects--also note that her stomach was almost empty. She began feeling a slight alteration of consciousness about 45min. after ingestion. She sometimes gets nauseous when taking 2C-E and she's not sure if this had anything to do with the piracetam, but she did not become nauseous during this experiment. This also may have had to do with the fact that she took care to lay down in a comfortable spot until she began feeling the full effects so as to do with any nausea that may be attributable to motion sickness.

She usually gets much less intense visuals when she takes the substance without cannabis, but the visuals were just as intense as a 16mg dose with marijuana. It also seemed to last longer than usual, but she's not sure if this was due to the piracetam or simply because she usually trips at night and cuts off the trip early with some benzos or something in order to go to sleep. This time, she took the 2C-E at noon. The plateau seemed to stretch out much longer than usual. She had intense visuals for about 6 hours whereas they usually don't last as long. She didn't feel quite baseline until around the 10 hour mark. Then, the after-effects lasted for another 2 or 3 hours...no visuals, but just feeling "off" somehow.

Also, the negative effects seemed to be greatly diminished. She usually gets a pretty bad headache at the end of the 2C-E trip. She did get a slight headache towards the end and thus took about another gram of piracetam (not sure if that was a factor or not, but she knows that she sometimes gets a headache with the piracetam alone which is often alleviated by taking another dose). The headache was gone in about 1 or 2 hours.

She intended to keep a log of the trip, but she neglected to do this as she always seems to do whenever she plans to do a trip reports...always gets distracted. She also felt more clear-headed throughout the trip, but hasn't yet decided if this was a good or bad thing. She wanted for the trip to be one of those completely-immersive experiences where she could completely lose herself for awhile, but that didn't happen. She often feels a certain sense of confusion (not in a bad way) during the 2C-E trip, but that effect was noticeably absent. Although, the effects which seemed to replace this effect were quite interesting in and of themselves. It was actually a rather depressing trip, but this is most likely due to where she is in her life and her headspace lately. She felt as if she was in touch with the void, the nothingness. She didn't feel a sense of connection that she looks for during trips nor was it especially spiritually. She felt the potential for ego-loss, but it never actually happened or rather she would feel sort of as if the ego or spirit or whatever one wishes to label such a thing would disappear but come back a few seconds later changed somewhat.

Also, the bodyload was more pleasurable than usual. But, once again, this may have been due to the fact that the compound was not supplemented with cannabis which may or may not have suppressive properties in certain tactile sensations (she does know that cannabis can relieve certain aches and pains). She felt a nice tingling sensation throughout her body during much of the trip.

And, that's all that she has experimented with during her use of piracetam. Well, she has been using kratom some but can't tell much of a difference because it had been quite awhile since she used kratom anyway. It certainly hasn't seemed to diminish the effects. It may possibly be enhancing them, however. She noticed the other day when she ingested kratom after forgetting to take her piracetam all day that it took quit a long time for her to feel the effects. Whereas when she has taken the kratom on days she does take her piracetam, the effects seem to come on more quickly.

As far as the general effects of piracetam go, she does notice a slight increase in energy and cognitive ability (memory and concentration) when she takes it.

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	good info
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	Thanks for the report.

[Paracelsus]

Thanks for that information SWIb.

SWIM decided to take lower doses (1600mg/day) for a longer period, for this experiment and for reversing brain damage from his DXM use. Didn't find anything with choline or DMAE (can't believe they don't sell them where SWIM lives ), but took lecithine (600mg/day). Didn't get any headaches so lecithine might help too if other acetylcholine precursors aren't available.

SWIM started doing the piractam cure since Monday (23.10.XXXX) and it really helped SWIM get over DXM cravings and overall tiredness. Mind felt much clearer. SWIM will continue this for another three weeks or more.

[Toma]

How ironic, SWIM has recently stopped taking Piracetam specifically because SWIM didn't want it to interfere with drugs.

SWIM has been taking it pretty much constantly for about 5 years until this summer, when SWIM has serendipitously stumbled upon the world of psychedelics. It was mostly a 1,2-1,6g/day regimen. At this dose the subtle nootropic effect was gradual and eventually lost in habituation, its most obvious indication being a couple of days of slugishness upon discontinuing it.

Higher doses produced a more evident clearness of mind, without the jumpiness and plain feeling like shit SWIM experiences from just one cup of coffee.

However, the most worthwile use SWIM has found for this substance was for enhancing dreams. 1-2g taken before going to bed was found to enhance dream recall and vividness, helping SWIM wake more often with the feeling that the night had been at least as long and eventful than the day before in waking reality.

SWIM has found it to inhibit the action of Ketamine, though SWIM wished it had done so more the last time he sat on the edge of a bed trying to persuade his hands to cram Piracetam pills in his mouth after a 250mg K nightmare. SWIM has really tried to like that substance but it seems like K and SWIM just aren't meant for each other.

Aferwards, SWIM started experimenting with various other psychedelics and weaned himself off Piracetam completely, not wanting to alter the character of the experiences before getting to know them in their natural state.

SWIM also recently bought a box of Selegiline, which shows way more promise than Piracetam, but after a brief and satisfactory trial, it sits gathering dust on his shelf, and with all the 2C's and DO's left to explore, it will probably sit there for a long time. The neurons surely can take a bit more pounding.

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Thanks for the info

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by betsym

Peracelsus, try Oxiracetam, which is a stronger cousin of Piaracetam. SWIM has used this and it works much better than the Piracetam and requires less pills. It can be combined with other nootropics as well, such as Picamilon, which works great as an antidepressant and DMAE, which helps boost memory and concentration. Lecithin is taken to prevent headaches. SWIM takes this mix with Dostinex, instead of selegiline, to boost dopamine levels and for antidepressant effects. Look for SWIM's other posts about Piracetam as SWIM has posted about Piracetam before. Good luck with your dog's experiment. SWIM is always doing these kinds of experiments and is interested in the experiences of others as well. SWIM's cat is still very much alive and kicking and in a much better mental state from this kind of diet.

SWIM has gotten Oxiractem and even taking an insane dose 8g he felt nothing. SWIM does notice a slight effect from Piracetam so maybe he just got screwed or something.

[blinkKDX]

there's research that shows piracetam must be used for several weeks before the effects are really noticed.

[seechao]

SWIM aquired 100g of piracetam back in september, to help him with schoolwork and such, and started takeing it, with choline, at a dose of 5g in the morning, and 2g at lunch, he found no imediate effects at all, and kept this dosing regimend for a week or so, then lowered his dose to 2g in the morning, with one or two 1g boosters durring the day.
SWIM used up his whole stock at about this rate, and never noticed the effects, he did notice a slight potentiation of caffeine, but no potentiation to mj or psychedelics, altho he often forgot to dose on weekends, which is when he tends to trip, so he may not have had any in him at the time, bt he's pretty sure it should have still been there. SWIM also tried K for his first time while on piracetam, and since he has nothing to compare it with, all he can say is that he had a great deal of difficulty dissociating, never managed, and was much more coherent than his friends, even at higher doses than them. SWIM notes that this has always been the case, with all substances.

SWIM hasnt given up on piracetam, but was considering ordering 100g piracetam, 50g oxiracetam, 100g pramiracetam, and 100g aniracetam, or some similar combination, depending what his lovely little chinese chemist friends can obtain for him, he would then mix them in a jar, and dose with the mixture, starting at the 2g range or so. SWIM thinks this may provide more of an effect for him, and will be looking into it, as he is ordering a large amount of theobromine and theophyline from a chemist soon. SWIM is starting to wonder how big his file at customs is getting, these packages of white powder from china have got to be makeing someone nervous, heheheh, last one was completly unmarked and took 5 months to clear.

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[KyleM]

SWIM has been using powdered piracetam for about a month now (used almost 1kg so far) in a long experiment to bring back MDMA magic (completely lost). Using 6,000-12,000mg a day on average. Twice SWIM took 38,000mg in one day with no adverse effects, actually somewhat euphoric. So far it appears to be eliminating tolerance to all substances such as caffeine and alcohol, possibly due to increased gluccorticoid hormone release, who knows.. SWIM will give results to this experiment for MDMA when complete.

[howlongisthenight]

SWIM bought a bottle and doses about 2000-3000 for several weeks. Results were mostly hard to nail down. Could not say with confidence that any differences were felt, though it was a good month. Tolerance to everything else seemed to dropped substantially. Will reevaluate in the fall with more careful observation.

[KyleM]

SWIM's kg of piracetam has run out a few days ago. SWIM had noticed that piracetam is mildly addictive after taking large doses for an extended time and produced withdrawl effects when he ran out. SWIM plans on taking MDMA in the next week and a half or so to see the results.

[Bajeda]

My poodle was sad to find that adderall isn't nearly as effective now that he hasn't been taking his piracetam for a while.

After starting his regimen he found that the potency of adderall was greatly enhanced when he combined the two together. Later on, after the poodle had been taking piracetam on a daily basis for some time, he found that 5mg of adderall was an effective dose for him while before he wouldn't have bothered with 10mg. The quality of effects seemed to be enhanced as well, with lower doses of adderall giving him equal energy to what higher doses would sans piracetam yet without taking away from his focus and concentration and without increasing his distractability, which he found to be problematic when taking higher doses of the drug.

Alas, being off piracetam for a few months now my poodle has found that adderall doesn't have the same effect and he is back to not feeling much besides somewhat enhanced focus from 5mg. If he takes 20mg now it feels like 10mg did when he was on his piracetam regimen, except that he feels more of the 'speedy' effects and the experience is still of a different quality and nature, though he can't quite put a finger on the exact differences.

My poodle may have to take notes when he takes adderall in the near future to document the exact nature of the experience so that he can make an improved comparison (one untainted by the fallibility of memory) when he is back to taking piracetam regularly and can note the influence it has on the effects of adderall.

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Thanks for the report.

[medievil]

Originally Posted by KyleM

SWIM has been using powdered piracetam for about a month now (used almost 1kg so far) in a long experiment to bring back MDMA magic (completely lost). Using 6,000-12,000mg a day on average. Twice SWIM took 38,000mg in one day with no adverse effects, actually somewhat euphoric. So far it appears to be eliminating tolerance to all substances such as caffeine and alcohol, possibly due to increased gluccorticoid hormone release, who knows.. SWIM will give results to this experiment for MDMA when complete.

swim is wondering if the reverse in tolerance could be kept when you stop taking piracetam? offcourse it would go up again, but it would be nice to reverse tolerance

[KyleM]

SWIM tried his luck with MDMA about a week after his last post. There is definitely a major increase in the intensity of the experience. The most intense in the past seven sessions, spanning 2 years. SWIM did have about a week and a half lapse between his last dose of piracetam and his MDMA session because he unfortunately ran out. SWIM believes the effects of the piracetam had worn off a bit before his MDMA session, but still managed to get impressive results. Next time he will buy 2kg.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by KyleM

SWIM tried his luck with MDMA about a week after his last post. There is definitely a major increase in the intensity of the experience. The most intense in the past seven sessions, spanning 2 years. SWIM did have about a week and a half lapse between his last dose of piracetam and his MDMA session because he unfortunately ran out. SWIM believes the effects of the piracetam had worn off a bit before his MDMA session, but still managed to get impressive results. Next time he will buy 2kg.

Thats great to here, really great, it may be the answer to the big "MDMA MAGIC question"

[kalininin]

in the nineties it was said that if u didnt feel an effect of piracetam u had to lower the
dose. also with combinations with choline, hydergine, centrofenoxine and the like.
overdosing according to this theory consists of feeling no effect [maybe a headache sometimes]. swim himself found it initially difficult to lower his pira dose when he also got hold of hydergine and vinpocetine then. but only after he did so, he got the synergistic fx. hes been taking 400 mg 3x daily for the last years and now considering
going to 300 or 200 to enhance fx . instead of getting 2 kg, get 500 gr and spend the remaining on nice stuff like ginseng or rhodiola or ginko.
reference: the well known 'smart drugs & nutrients' books that came out in the late eighties til mid nineties [can't remember the writers now, sorry].

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