All forms of meth are the same when orally taken or not?

[izzy31]

Excluding the hydrochloride form of methamphetamine; this is meant for the "crystal" form -


Do all forms of crystal meth work the same ways when ingested?

Example: 2 capsules contain the same amount of amp. in each one, but one is filled with the crystal chunks and the other is filled with crushed crystals that is powder-like.

Would they effect the body and have identical effects or would one have a greater effect over the other?

[Sitbcknchill]

Well you are talking about the same thing here. Crystal meth is crytstal meth. The crystal form is the HCL form.

[izzy31]

Yes, but can properties of the drug make it depend on how it reacts in conditions where the physical characteristics can decide the overall effect of the drug?

[Sitbcknchill]

How are the physical properties going to effect the way the drug functions in the body chemically?

There would be a small difference in the sense that obviously bigger chunks will dissolve slower but probley not enough to notice it. I wouldn't really think it would take very long to dissolve either way.

[allyourbase]

the hydrochloride is by nature more bioavailable. the freebase is by nature more street available. the acids contained in the stomach will convert the freebase to the hydrochloride through natural digestion processes. other amphetamine salts are known to be less effective and/or have differing relative properties. but generally speaking the freebase is all anyone will run into, so why bother with conjecture?

SWIM has noticed the freebase "sweats" at room temperature. the hydrochloride if one finds it tends to be of a more stable nature. hydrochloride will also leave a mark when smoked, whereas the freebase will not.

[Sitbcknchill]

How is meth freebase more street available? Swim doesn't know what street you live on allyourbase but meth does not come around here in freebase form. Freebase methamphetamine is not a solid but more or less an oil which swims sure that you know this (hopefully). So would swiy care to explain where he came to his conclusion?

[allyourbase]

honey oil....its the most available form here. SWIM forgets too often methamphetamine varies from cook to cook, and has no central market.

[Sitbcknchill]

Makes sense, swims heard of people getting oil but was not aware that it is common practice in some areas. Seems as though it would be easier to distribute as a solid but meh...to each their own....

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

honey oil....its the most available form here. SWIM forgets too often methamphetamine varies from cook to cook, and has no central market.

does this oil give a stonger high than the normal form?

[thundercles]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

honey oil....its the most available form here. SWIM forgets too often methamphetamine varies from cook to cook, and has no central market.

allyourbase is actually right here in this post. Not about the honey oil, but about methamphetamine varying from cook to cook. Methamphetamine varies in effect a little bit from cook to cook and thundercles doesn't know why! This is something that has been bothering me for a long time, I know tons about methamphetamines and thier chemistry from books and journals and other sources from countless hours of research, but two things have occured IRL that totally disagree with the books. The first is how each cook makes methamphetamine with effects that slightly differ from each other. I know purity and the chemicals that havn't been cleaned out will differ from cook to cook, but they shouldn't change the effects of the drug even slightly, speed has one active ingredient: methamphetamine HCl. Methamphetamine HCl has one structure, if the molecule doesn't match that structure, it isn't methamphetamine. Since all methamphetamine should have the same structure they should essentially be the same drug, plus the leftover chemicals that didn't get cleaned out which shouldn't have much if any psycoactive properties. Yet I have even noticed speed can differ quite greatly in effect from cook to cook, some speed can make you way more paranoid, some speed can make your mind race more, etc etc etc. It's something that is definetly true, yet makes no sense! The other thing is why people seem to like P2P speed so much more then ephedrine speed and they say smaller amounts of P2P speed could keep you up for days. The books say the opposite should happen, that P2P makes bunk racemic methamphetamine, and ephedrine based shoud be 4 times stronger, and feel cleaner! Yet just about any old-timer I talk to longs for the days of P2P dope to return. It just doesn't make sense.