Effects - Getting and maintaining the highest cocaine highs & minimizing lows

[robert]

i believe if you study a drug, you can maximize the high and minimize or eliminate the lows and hangover.


even if its poping aspirin and sleeping pills with your last line. need advice - not covered in the 14 pages of material here, or only partially hit.


if we get a thorough response here, this could be a great topic to browse.


also, some of us (men) feel really down or naseaus in between high spots...any thoughts on that?


-robert, medellin columbia (at the moment)...

[searcher]

I believe the "highs" and "lows" of drugs have to do with sleep. Drugs interrupt the normal sleep routine. I feel crappy if I get too little sleep (speed, coke, acid) or to much sleep (alcohol, depressants). If the drugs you are using start to mess up your sleep, you will get sick.

[apoch22]

First off.. I sort of agree with searcher in that i think your highs are related to sleep. to get the most "bang for your buck" with your stash, you need to hit from your "normal baseline"... rested and ready to go. if you're down already you're not going to get the same kick.


TONS of water helps the hangover.

[robert]

thanks searcher and apoch22!


but i usually hit it when well rested. any other advice?


for example, with e.


you can minimize teeth grinding with magnesium (causes muscles to relax - opposite of calcium).


you can take 5 htp to max out your supply of seratonin before, during and after for a better, longer high and less hangover.


surely coke has similar affects-properties that you can hedge against with supplements...no?

[P4nic]

XTC: preload and postload, before take alot of vitamins (try to get some 1000mg vitamin c tablets and drink some(2 or 3) then alsodrank some multi-vitamins.


postload, when go to bed, again eat some vitamin c and multi-vitamins + something like 5htp(turns into l-tryptofaan in your brain).


I think most of these things also help for coke maybe for speed but I don't know cuz I never toke speed.


Alcohol: drink lot's of water (dehydration of the brain cause the headache) and lot's multi-vitamins(less vitamines cause the fucked up feeling when you wake up) and also try to eat something before go to bed, so you stomach doesn't only have to deal with alcohol some food will be welcome down there. Also foods brings vitamins with it.

[Gahaba22]

Starting at your baseline is an excellent rule of thumb. XTC drains your supply of serotonin while cocaaine uses up your dopamine. The difference is that your body replaces dopamine much more quickly than serotonin. (1-2 days vs 1-2 weeks!!)



geeb

[Insane Asian]

er they are wrong first off sleep is only affected by stimulants because of lack of sleep and thats only wen u go on for days. as for alcohol and over sleeping that is also not true a hang over is the mild simptoms of dehydration, alchol actually absorbs the water in ur body thats why its recomended that you drink 2 gallons of water (a little to much for me) at the end of the night or 1 cup of water per beer to get rid of hang overs. the reson for u feeling crappy is becaue drugs fuck up ur body plain and simple, they increase heart rate for long periods of time, over work ur liver, fuck up ur spinal fluids, mess with ur brain, kill brain cells, and over just messes u up. thats the real reason u feel like crap not because of to much sleep or to little sleep

[b16a]

Does anyone have any tips for minimizing the sketchy stage of your high? I'm not talking about coming down when you call it quits, but the stage when you're still going and you have the shakes, trouble thinking or talking clearly.

[ramjet]

take more drugs?

[rick420]

Originally Posted by ramjet

take more drugs?

yer lol, have another line, believe it or not, but that sketchy feeling
is cravings for more coke, if u slowly start racking another line up,
your mind will rest as it knows another hit is on its way!

[b16a]

Maybe I'm just doing too much. Doing another line, or another 5 lines for that matter, just helps it go away for a minute or so. I guess the best idea is to just stop... but no one likes a quitter!

[daveman]

take xanax or oxycotin or vicodin, some type of opiate will work well, although this is known as a speed ball, it has equated to one of the greatest feelings i have ever felt in my life

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Gahaba22

Starting at your baseline is an excellent rule of thumb. XTC drains your supply of serotonin while cocaaine uses up your dopamine. The difference is that your body replaces dopamine much more quickly than serotonin. (1-2 days vs 1-2 weeks!!)

geeb

considering that, would 5htp and cocaine make any sense, since coke works on dopamine mostly ?

[stephanee]

Interesting discussion - I'm contemplating a coke session in a couple of weeks. I've not done any in about 18 months and this is likely to a be a one off (a druggie weekend in a foreign city)so what should I do to maximise the effects?


All advice welcome - Iexpect to be snorting as well as smoking.


Thanks in anticipation

[thegod1]

Smoking cocaine? Swim thinks you should turn it into crack instead. Smoking cocaine wont bring on any effects other than placebo(like it did with Swim). But swim would advice you just snort it. Have fun

[stephanee]

Thanks thegod1 - I meant that we're hoping to have crack to smoke as well as powder to snort

[Benga]

maybe it's psychological but i think preloading 5htp before cocaine use actually curbs the high, less euphoria. but this might be psychosomatic as cocaine works acts mainly on dopamine.


what chemicals could be used to accelerate dopamine recovery ?

[billbryan]

l-dopa??

[alaskan_rose]

Now the reason 5HTP curbs the high, creates less of a europia
is because it directly increases Serotonin. Now, when there is
a high level of serotonin in the brain, there will be low levels of
dopamine. However, if there are high levels of dopamine, there
will be low levels of serotonin. Its funny how it works. So you
could almost look at it like when you take 5htp it is just
decreasing, lowering, your dopamine levels.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by alaskan_rose

Now the reason 5HTP curbs the high, creates less of a europia
is because it directly increases Serotonin. Now, when there is
a high level of serotonin in the brain, there will be low levels of
dopamine. However, if there are high levels of dopamine, there
will be low levels of serotonin. Its funny how it works. So you
could almost look at it like when you take 5htp it is just
decreasing, lowering, your dopamine levels.

interesting ! It does work well "the day after", 5HTP. Still haven't figured out if B6 potentiates assimilation or is actually blocking it (+ dangerous, as some people explain it). So I guess on could perhaps preload with some dopamine stimulating substance, then comedown with 5HTP, and the next day supplement with dopamine enhancers. to try to level things out...


for cocaine, coca leaves, in tea or chewed, are a blessing, as the really help get over the comedown / dopamine depletion emptyness without propelling one into coked up mode again.


It's amazing how coca leaves can be strong if does is increased but not have the negative effects of cocaine...

[raven3davis]

I find if you do coke when your drunk it minimizes the low and the high isnt as intense but better IMO. No anxiety or paranoia. When you want to sleep take a bar so you will klonk out asap. The main thing for SWIM for the low lows is when he is in bed just cracked out not able to sleep, wishing he had a xanax bar.

[-r3g]

swim has trouble maintaining a good high after swim bumps a gram over the course of a few hours....after this swim will bump a line and it doesn't seem to make any difference.....swim doesn't even feel really feel the high much and can't get it goin again...is this something that just happens? quick tolerance build up or somethin....or maybe low quality product...does swim maybe need to pace himself over a longer period of time?

[Benga]

an option is gradual build up. the higher you start, the more you'll need to feel something. If you start by a big fat line, you'll be high as a kite, but then you'll crash fast, and you'll need more to get you up. And after a while you won't feel nothing much than irritation and physical effects, which is mostly due to peaking dopamine levels. If you start small, by doing small bumps in the early evening every 45 minutes or so, drinking a little in between, and gradually building up the cocaine blood concentration instead of peaking straight away, you can maintain the high. think of bumps as little boosts.
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[-r3g]

makes sense....right on... thx

[drugofthemoment]

Try not to do so many drugs! do them less often.Its really annoying + expensive having a drug tolerance!
From experience.