Voyage into the Mind

[KomodoMK]

I wasn't sure where to post this but, so if it is in the wrong place could a mod please move it. Thanks.

Just out of interest I would like to know what drug you would recommend someone to use for an incite into their own mind and why you would choose this drug. Could you please state your favourite drug aswell if possible. Examples from experience would be a bonus.

I hope you can find the time to reply to this because it would interest me greatly in to know the reasons you would choose a particular substance for this task.

Thanks. <3

[D.U.M.B]

SWIM personally finds that each and every drug he has taken has given him some sort of new found knowledge about himself.

SWIM was going to say LSD or Mushrooms gave me the most insight but at the same time good old marijuana has been doing it for years. SWIM will run through a few drugs he has taken and let you know if he learnt anything

Marijuana - 99% of any of SWIM's drug experiences where he learnt something about himself have came with smoking marijuana. SWIM writes a lot of poetry because he is at his most deep thinking stage about himself while stoned. For example, in a two week period during the four months while SWIM was living in Holland he wrote more poems in that length of time than in the previous year. SWIM has realised what he truly feels while stoned, who he likes, who he dislikes. Mainly because when the pen starts moving it's SWIM's inner self that’s in control.

LSD - SWIM has used this once or twice for the purposes of having a deep think about life etc. with his friends. The conversations were great and we certainly were thinking a lot more broader than usual but LSD isn't exactly the type of drug SWIM would take to just sit about and talk or sit about and think. He prefers to walk around outside etc. So I guess LSD gave SWIM the incite of how much he loves nature. SWIM has taken LSD on his own with the intent to have a nice deep think about himself but on the occasions he did it he has been to distracted by things around him to do so. (In other words tripping balls so much he could only smile and observe the world)

Mushrooms - SWIM has taken shrooms more times on his own than LSD, and while he found it easier to think without the whole distraction thing he still never really found out anything too profound about himself. But again mushrooms just made SWIM appreciate the worlds beauty around him. SWIM even took Philosopher Stones on an occasion or two to have a nice think and while SWIM realised a few things, his thoughts wandered way too much. For example while rolling a joint SWIM would spend a few minutes just thinking stuff like "who rolled the first ever one" etc.

With LSD and Shrooms there's defiantly the ability to learn something about yourself but you will need a pen and paper, any insights SWIM has had are long faded memories by the following morning.

XTC - SWIM has found ecstasy to be quiet good for thinking deeply but at the same time quiet deceiving. Between the love buzz etc. SWIM has changed his opinion on either himself or others in the space of moments. You can go from thinking "I don't really get on with the person beside me" to "I love you man, you're like a brother...". SWIM has taken xtc while on his own to once again think and while you very much so can, you like SWIM might end up ringing friends at 4am in the morning just to say hello and say I love you. Ha ha

Alcohol - SWIM finds it very depressing after too long, if he thinks to much about himself while on the booze

Salvia - SWIM took this having read how deep and spiritual it is. SWIM just ended up on the occasions he has done it, either laughing uncontrollably or thinking to himself "were not in Kansas anymore". SWIM did learn to respect salvia though.

There’s others SWIM can go through but just can be bothered to at the moment. It’s different for everyone how a drug makes you think etc. it for SWIM depends a lot on how he’s been thinking while sober

By far SWIM thinks MJ is the best for thinking deeply about yourself, while it might not give you the spiritual buzz or enlightenment other drugs sometimes can, SWIM still finds he gets more insight while stoned than anything else.

SWIM stopped taking drugs on his own a while back and doesn't really like to space off for hours on end thinking to himself while tripping with friends, they might just presume he is having a bad trip or something. And having people ask SWIM are you okay actually makes SWIM feel like worse. ha ha

If there is a lesson to be learnt nine times out of ten whatever drug SWIM is taking will tell him, regardless if he wants it to or not. Just try whatever drugs SWIY takes and have a think, you may or may not learn something, just make sure it's fun.

Peace and hoped this helped and wasn't just SWIM rambling on. And remember if you plan to learn something have a pen handy. SWIM has often found the meaning of life just to let it slip away with the come down

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[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Just out of interest I would like to know what drug you would recommend someone to use for an incite into their own mind and why you would choose this drug.

Might be kinda strange for a drugs-forum, but SWIM has always felt strongly that drugs are the wrong approach to insight, particularly 'spiritual' insight. Meditation/contemplation while not on drugs strikes SWIM as a much better method, albeit slow/time consuming and lacking fireworks. Or for insight specifically into the mind (i.e. one's daily life, both conscious and subconscious) -- psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, brainwave entrainment, self-hypnosis are all decent techniques.

Before SWIY asks, SWIM feels drugs are for fun. Even the supposedly 'serious' ones. But he'll stop here rather than delivering what would probably sound like a lecture. YMMV, all opinions respected, etc.

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[KomodoMK]

Thank you both for your replies, they made interesting reading.

Nicaine, do you think it is possible that some drugs could give you access to a place in your mind than other methods could not possibly reach? Some of the experiences I have read from people have given this impression.

While your mind always creates new neural pathways, maybe some of these can't happen without the aid of drugs? Your view on this topic and on others some what intrigues me.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Nicaine, do you think it is possible that some drugs could give you access to a place in your mind than other methods could not possibly reach? Some of the experiences I have read from people have given this impression.

IMO psychoactive drugs create their own mental spaces, which people sometimes go on to mistake as having already pre-existed before they "discovered" them through the use of the substance.

So, yes and no IMO... they can give you access to places that other methods can't reach, but most likely the places are 'drug-induced' and don't have much correspondence to reality. Depending on how one defines reality, of course . Perhaps that's the most genuine effect of psychedelics... realizing that the nature of reality may be different than what you thought it was.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Might be kinda strange for a drugs-forum, but SWIM has always felt strongly that drugs are the wrong approach to insight, particularly 'spiritual' insight. Meditation/contemplation while not on drugs strikes SWIM as a much better method, albeit slow/time consuming and lacking fireworks. Or for insight specifically into the mind (i.e. one's daily life, both conscious and subconscious) -- psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, brainwave entrainment, self-hypnosis are all decent techniques.

Before SWIY asks, SWIM feels drugs are for fun. Even the supposedly 'serious' ones. But he'll stop here rather than delivering what would probably sound like a lecture. YMMV, all opinions respected, etc.

SWIM absolutely agrees with this. SWIM's secular enough in his ideology and believes drugs are more suited to the pursuit of recreation and partaking in an experience, not so much one that is spiritual, but an experience of an undescribable nature to which the individual should draw whatever conclusions they wish, as long as they don't get carried away and consider it the be-all and end-all of their existence.

SWIM also believes that spiritual individuals will become enlightened in their ways more substantially by doing it the old-fashioned way as described. Drugs can be artificial in their effects on the mind. One shouldn't necessarily change their life for what may be the worse due to one powerful experience. The arduous spiritual road to the top is more secure and, SWIM would imagine, ultimately more rewarding.

[dnb warrior]

Originally Posted by D.U.M.B

SWIM has realised what he truly feels while stoned, ...

By far SWIM thinks MJ is the best for thinking deeply about yourself, while it might not give you the spiritual buzz or enlightenment other drugs sometimes can, SWIM still finds he gets more insight while stoned than anything else.

does SWIY think that MJ can give a lot of false insight, ie seeing connections where there are none?

SWIM asks because sometimes when he is stoned every though that goes through his head seems to be some sort of pofound insight, to the point that it can be pretty annyoing... he thinks some of them are definately valid but sometimes when he wakes up the next day or sobers up and remembers the "insights" he had he just laughs... the herb doing its talking again, it can be very persuasive!

[Nature Boy]

SWIM wouldn't say marijuana brings false insight. One can come up with some very decent original ideas whilst under the influence of it. In a sense, it can be more insightful than more powerful psychedelics in that one is still grounded in their thoughts more-or-less. Powerful psychedelics can seem like a creativity overload, where thoughts race, and it's difficult to pin down conclusions or ideas that would seem practical.

[D.U.M.B]

Originally Posted by dnb warrior

SWIM asks because sometimes when he is stoned every though that goes through his head seems to be some sort of pofound insight, to the point that it can be pretty annyoing... he thinks some of them are definately valid but sometimes when he wakes up the next day or sobers up and remembers the "insights" he had he just laughs... the herb doing its talking again, it can be very persuasive!

SWIM has learnt to get past that. Because it's true that sometimes it seems every thought is deep and profound while stoned but SWIM can focus his attention on the one thought rather than them all and that's how SWIM writes his poetry and attempts to play guitar.

For SWIM it's like with MJ and insights. There's a hundred voices each yelling something insightful, if you listen to them all you will never learn but if you pluck them individually then it seems to help SWIM learn something about himself and others.

[nightynight]

just tried salvia for the first time today...weird experience...good but weird