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[Nagognog2]

Ky. Officials Want to Ban Liquor Devices


FRANKFORT, Ky. - Kentuckians sip their bourbon, and have also been known to cook with it. But inhale it?
The very idea of bypassing the taste buds seems sacrilegious in a state that claims to produce the world's best bourbon, which generates more than $1 billion a year in sales.

State officials in the land of Old Grand-Dad, Jim Beam and Wild Turkey are pushing to ban a device that vaporizes liquor and allows people to inhale the intoxicating fumes for a quick high without the burn of hard liquor.

Teresa Barton, head of the Kentucky Office of Drug Control Policy, said banning alcohol vaporizers is a matter of public safety, not preserving the state's sipping whiskey industry. She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

So far, 17 states have banned them, including California, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio, and several others are considering doing so, said Sherry Green, executive director of the National Alliance for Model State Drug Laws. Tennessee, the home of Jack Daniels, already prohibits the vaporizers.

"When you inhale alcohol right into the lung tissue, that gets drawn right into the blood supply immediately, so it's a very rapid onset of the intoxicating effect, and so has obviously very high abuse potential," said Robert Walker, an assistant professor at the University of Kentucky Center on Drug and Alcohol Research.

Walker said alcohol vaporizers bypass altogether the tactile pleasures of drinking wine with a fine meal or a cold beer with a pizza: "You're going strictly to the intoxicating effect of alcohol."

In addition, Green warned that the devices could provide a dangerous legal loophole for teenagers in states where current law forbids only "underage drinking," not "underage inhaling."

Kevin Morse, president of Spirit Partners Inc. in Greensboro, N.C., which markets the Alcohol Without Liquid, or AWOL, devices, said they are harmless.

"At the end of the day, it's just a new way for adults to enjoy alcohol in a different manner," said Morse, who sells single-user devices over the Internet for $299 each or multi-user devices for $2,500 each.

The devices, which resemble asthma inhalers, can be used for just about any kind of alcohol, including wine, vodka, even martinis.

Morse said attempts to ban the devices have been great for business. "We haven't spent the first dime on advertising," he said. "When these legislators start repeating these rumors, then we start selling them like crazy."

Neither the liquor industry nor anti-drinking groups take credit for the bans on the devices.

"Legislators are basically banning this on their own," said Amy George, spokeswoman for Mothers Against Drunk Driving. George said MADD has not taken an official position on the issue in any of the states that instituted bans because, she said, not enough research has been done to show that they are necessary.

One of the world's largest distributors of alcoholic beverages, London-based Diageo, with brands including Smirnoff and Crown Royal, has pushed for the bans, saying the vaporizers "could encourage alcohol abuse and drunk driving."

Ed O'Daniel, president of the Kentucky Distillers' Association, said he, too, supports a prohibition on the devices. A ban died in a state Senate committee in February, but O'Daniel said he believes it will pass in the next session.

Greg Brooks, a private investigator from North Carolina, said he tried the AWOL device in a New York bar a couple of years ago.

"You get a mild euphoria," he said. "It's like having one drink, maybe. It dissipates quickly. If you like getting drunk or getting a real heavy buzz, this isn't the thing for you."

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Good news post and as always, funny advice

[Akewstick]

Teresa Barton, head of the Kentucky Office of Drug Control Policy, said banning alcohol vaporizers is a matter of public safety, not preserving the state's sipping whiskey industry. She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

I personally think it's this belief that bourbon (even when taken orally) has any prupose 'other to get you drunk' that justifies alcohol being legal. I know there are bourbon conaissuers out there, but on the general alcohol market, what % of sales are for taste? and what % sales are "to get you drunk"?

This article (for me at least) shows up how pathetic various government's reasons for alcohol being legal and so many other less harmful drugs being illegal are.

editted to add: i never heard of fuckin alcohol vapourisers! i want one!

[ironmics]

Originally Posted by Akewstick

I personally think it's this belief that bourbon (even when taken orally) has any prupose 'other to get you drunk' that justifies alcohol being legal. I know there are bourbon conaissuers out there, but on the general alcohol market, what % of sales are for taste? and what % sales are "to get you drunk"?

This article (for me at least) shows up how pathetic various government's reasons for alcohol being legal and so many other less harmful drugs being illegal are.

editted to add: i never heard of fuckin alcohol vapourisers! i want one!

On the bourbon market I think most are looking for taste when buying anything other than Evan and Ezra(their single barrels are outstanding however). People who drink to get drunk will buy a pretty low end bourbon or something completely different, since most do not like bourbon. As a bourbon drinker, not conaissuer, I definitely drink for taste whether it's straight up, on rocks, in a cocktail. Taste in bourbon more than any other liquor out there other than scotch matters quite a bit in it's drinkability. I could never sip Evan Black, but love sipping on Craig 12 year old and Wild Turkey. I think the reason why I love bourbon so much is that you can get such amazingly drinkable bourbons like those 2 for less than 20 bucks. To get anything else as drinkable in the liquor world you'll be spending at least 25 or so. So yes there are people out there who drink bourbon for the taste and I imagine it's most of the people purchasing it. If people wanna get drunk they buy Canadian, trust me on this one as college student I see JD or Canadian whiskey people are getting drunk off of, never bourbon. By the way before you say it, no JD is not bourbon and it's not jsut because its made in Tenn.

[bcubed]

For all those who insist that "powdered alcohol" exists:

A fifth (750 ml) of Everclear is 95% alcohol. It's basically "uncut." Even if you accept that some bizzarre chemical reaction would make it solid at room temp, it would have to take up approximately the same amount of space (this can change slightly with phase change; usually the solid is more dense).

But, you argue, what if it's a totally unique chemical reaction that defies all known laws of physics? Even if that's so, one thing is unavoidable: it'd have to weigh at least as much as the liquid alcohol you started with! Actually a bit more if it's a chemical combination. So if that fifth of everlear powders down to a half-dozen lines, then they'd have to weigh a total of about 0.7 kg! SWIM strongly suspects "powdered alcohol" is some kind of downer, possibly mixed with something to make it taste rough, that's sold as "alcohol" so as to market to those leery of doing "drugs."

So all you SWIYs out there I'd be interested in a trip report from someone who snorts something that makes their nostril a good pound heavier ;-)

But for a serious discussion about the effectiveness of inhaled alcohol: I tried (and failed) to get a sense of the amount of expansion ethanol goes through when vaporized. Assuming SWIY wants to drink a pint of whiskey (190ml alcohol equivalent), and assuming that bypassing the liver increases potency, there's still going to be losses of the vapor such that needing 2/3 the ethanol is a reasonable maximum efficiency. So, how many cc's of vapor (assuming 50% room air--you have to breathe some oxygen) would be needed? Given an average lung volume, how many huffs? (You could increase the alcohol vapor concentration by combining it with 100% O2, but even Richard Pryor wouldn't have messed around with that kind of explosive potential).

[El Calico Loco]

Why huff alcohol when one can inject it?


ECL

[hoodabudda]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

Why huff alcohol when one can inject it?


ECL

swim was sent a boot camp/rehab in the middle of utah(he was snatched up in middle of the night by 2 buff ass mofos, hand cuffed while still asleep,and doomed to not see his homeland of cali for 5 months )and kids got pretty desperate there.its a total lock down facility. http://www.heal-online.org/provocases.htm. some background on it so you can understand why kids stole hand sanitizer and drank it.yes, purell hand sanitzer .some kids would also rub it on there hands and cup them and take a breath of alcohol air and hold it for 30 seconds and they all said it fucked them up.they would risk getting stomped out by the guards to obtain it too.i never did it there cuz i was turning 18 soon and i was one of the few prescribed adderall,so that kept me pretty happy.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Akewstick, no you dont want one. SWIM, in one of his many jobs, was charged with testing one of these to make sure it worked, so that his lab could get subjects drunk without the confounding variable of the subject taking a shot and waiting for it to absorb. SWIM and another lab rat must have taken about the equivalent of 10 shots on the damn thing, and didn't even feel a buzz. Its not that these things are a LETHAL THREAT TO THE YOUTH but that they dont work!

[Nature Boy]

She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

Walker said alcohol vaporizers bypass altogether the tactile pleasures of drinking wine with a fine meal or a cold beer with a pizza: "You're going strictly to the intoxicating effect of alcohol."

You legalise it, you deal with people getting wrecked off it any way they like. There are plenty of ways to bypass the slow task of getting drunk by sipping beverage after beverage: sugary alcopops, fruity shots, sweet-tasting cocktails, Southern Comfort and red lemonade etc. Why don't they ban them while they're at it since they're so offended by people getting drunk without the struggle? Why don't they legalise cannabis but only allow weed so weak that you have to smoke fifty billion joints before getting high? The level of hypocrisy here is disturbing.

[Sklander]

She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

Walker said alcohol vaporizers bypass altogether the tactile pleasures of drinking wine with a fine meal or a cold beer with a pizza: "You're going strictly to the intoxicating effect of alcohol."

LOL!!! Of course they are trying to get drunk. Why the fuck else would you be drinking?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

Walker said alcohol vaporizers bypass altogether the tactile pleasures of drinking wine with a fine meal or a cold beer with a pizza: "You're going strictly to the intoxicating effect of alcohol."

You legalise it, you deal with people getting wrecked off it any way they like. There are plenty of ways to bypass the slow task of getting drunk by sipping beverage after beverage: sugary alcopops, fruity shots, sweet-tasting cocktails, Southern Comfort and red lemonade etc. Why don't they ban them while they're at it since they're so offended by people getting drunk without the struggle? Why don't they legalise cannabis but only allow weed so weak that you have to smoke fifty billion joints before getting high? The level of hypocrisy here is disturbing.

It all strikes me more as confusion than hypocrisy. People in general don't seem to understand or comprehend society's rules surrounding intoxicating substances. No surprise either, as modern laws are ridiculously convoluted and contradictory. Humanity seems to be having trouble getting a grip on its own innate desire for intoxication, and in many cases it appears they have to lie to themselves about it to be comfortable.

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

For more info see this:Experts Warn About Powdered Alcohol

AFAIK Ethanol IS in fact a liquid, as Nagognog2 stated. Maybe this product contains stuff that reacts chemically to form ethanol when hydrated (?).

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Interesting insight.

[Beeker]

These people are dumb, why not just INJECT alcohol? Get some Everclear and run that stuff. I mean, it seems like a possible alternative to drinking with instant results.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Apparently they believe that there are connisseurs who enjoy the taste of a finely aged McCormick vodka, I guess. Why not ban all cheap booze too? And malt liquor? Or anything with an alcoholic proof over that of Listerine just to make sure that people are always "drinking for the taste"? Wouldnt surprise me if this device was actually being pushed for a ban by the alcohol lobby itself, since if someone invents an effective inhaler, they'd stand to lose money as people would need less booze to get drunk, due to the huge surface area of the lungs for alcohol to absorb through, and the lack of first-pass metabolism in the liver.

[Nagognog2]

Actually there are those who hate the taste of a sip of bourbon, but like the flavour it can impart to a good steak or even a cake. Really!

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Actually there are those who hate the taste of a sip of bourbon, but like the flavour it can impart to a good steak or even a cake. Really!

Like coffee. They love the smell and love coffee cake but they won't drink the stuff.

[El Calico Loco]

Teresa Barton, head of the Kentucky Office of Drug Control Policy, said banning alcohol vaporizers is a matter of public safety, not preserving the state's sipping whiskey industry. She said such devices could become "a real deadly trap" because they have "no purpose other than to get you drunk."

So far, 17 states have banned them, including California, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio, and several others are considering doing so, said Sherry Green, executive director of the National Alliance for Model State Drug Laws. Tennessee, the home of Jack Daniels, already prohibits the vaporizers.

Feh. Utter stupidity. I am so weary of the primitive, tribalistic mindset (and the neurotic obsession with cleanliness and order) that leads the little protofascists to try and possess, control, and direct their fellow human beings.

The average American has become afraid of hir own shadow. I think the Soviets won the Cold War.


ECL
(The voices are telling me to kill again!)

[Forthesevenlakes]

Understandable, Nagog! Kind of the manly version of cooking wine.

On the other hand, SWIM's idea of pouring Kiwi-Strawberry Mad Dog 20/20 into his hobo stew probably won't cach on...

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Mmmmm kiwi strawberry hobo stew!!!

[dreamatrix]

In germany last year it got banned too , altough the alcohol was just in powder form and to be put in a liquid of your preference.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Originally Posted by dreamatrix

In germany last year it got banned too , altough the alcohol was just in powder form and to be put in a liquid of your preference.

Alcohol in powder form? wtf. and SWIY is sure of this? please post a referance if SWIY has it. swim has never heard of such thing

[ryanstein]

i wonder how much money from jim bean and wild turkey is going into lobbying and legislator campaign support in KY....

i dont c the problem in alcoholic vaporizors if they are being sold legally to people of age. i dont c anything wrong with them if vaporizors dont get a person as drunk and lasts less the time then actually drinkin alcohol. they should push for it because i think it would cut down on drinking and driving because if i was drunk off a vaporizor, i could wait for the effects to wear off quicker so i could drive home safely. even if it doesnt cut down on D&D, alcohol is mostly used for the intoxicating effect so y does it matter how some1 gets drunk lol...?

ryan

[ponygirl]

I make a killer rumcake that will get you druuuunk. Rum imparts such a good flavor to cake. However...I hate to drink. When I drink, it's to get drunk. I'm pretty much past that, but still, the whole legal process is just...well...stupid.

[allyourbase]

INTERESTING CONCEPT!!!!!! vaporization of alchohol. of course it will be argued that people are going to throw in bits of various acids, so when this alchohol is volatized by such a device it becomes mono-oxy diethyl ether (the same "huffed" for ages as a painkiller). of course even if these devices banned one might still make something similar out of a soldering iron or woodburning kit.

(now Im just ASSUMING these devices to be electric, and heat driven, anyone with info to the contrary please correct)

[Nagognog2]

There was a rather long, obtuse thread claiming the existence of "powdered alcohol" some time back. I can't locate same - likely was deleted during spring-cleaning! The original poster claimed the existence of such - according to some advertisement from some company - but never could anyone prove it's reality. As a chemist, I know that ethanol is a liquid. Period.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

There was a rather long, obtuse thread claiming the existence of "powdered alcohol" some time back. I can't locate same - likely was deleted during spring-cleaning! The original poster claimed the existence of such - according to some advertisement from some company - but never could anyone prove it's reality. As a chemist, I know that ethanol is a liquid. Period.

SWIM knows there are vacuum sealed bags sold on the market, that contain dried alcohol, and when mixed with water turn into a alcopop(very sweet low alcoholic drink, around 5% alcohol) IIRC they came from germany, were they were sold on the internet to teenagers to circumvent the law because the bags didn't contain any liquid alcohol, only after it was mixed with water.

For more info see this:Experts Warn About Powdered Alcohol

[allyourbase]

anhydrous ethanol I believe its called. looks like methamphetamine @ first glance. DOES exist. not sure if it can be used as an intoxicant though.

[Beeker]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

anhydrous ethanol I believe its called. looks like methamphetamine @ first glance. DOES exist. not sure if it can be used as an intoxicant though.

It would cost more then a plastic jug of $5 Vodka as well making it worthless to most of the abusers out there. I assume the only thing that keeps people going back to alcohol and benzos is the ease of purchasing and the low price.