Using Amphetamine *speed* to lose weight! help!

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by HoxtonHunny

thanks for ur message thats alot of help do u know exactly how speed should be taken ive heard of people wrapping it in rizzlas then swalling it and snorting it what way is best and is one more affective than another?

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swallowing* typo

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Also forgot to ask what is best way to buy speed i heard u can get it gooey or in powder i heard gooey is stronger but i prefer the idea of powder

Hmm, not sure what a rizzla is. But know there isn't any "best" way, each method has its own pros and cons. If you snort it, the high will be more intense but will last shorter than ingesting it. This is true of all drugs that you can snort. However, it appears swiy is doing this for the purpose of weight loss; in that case, swim recommends that you swallow it, as it will last longer, and swallowing is generally safer than snorting.

As for in what form to buy speed, unfortunately swim can't help you there. His only experiences with speed have been with adderall (which is amphetamine, which is speed). So swim can suggest adderall, but he doesn't know much about street forms of speed. One thing of note is that adderall is pure clean 100% amphetamine, while street speed may be cut with various other things, and is more dangerous. (Dexedrine is another pharmaceutical amphetamine, many users say its better than adderall)


edit: when speaking of consuming drugs, you are not allowed to incriminate yourself. That means you must say "Swim has hallucinated off pills", do NOT use the pronoun "I", you can get banned otherwise. Since you're a new user, you can't edit your posts yet, hopefully a mod will fix your post soon. But from now on, use another name instead of "I".

[Richi]

Speed is a generic term for an amphetamine. It will suppress appetite while you use it. That being said, it is not a good way to loose weight, assuming you want to keep the weight off. You should not be prepared to go the rest of your natural life span using amphetamines to loose weight. What is needed is a healthy diet, lots of water, and good exercise. I know it's been said time and time again, but it will be said until people get it.

[Enzo_Guy]

SWIM is actually tweaking on addies as he types this, so perhaps he can help.

SWIM does find his diet to be decreased significantly, to the point that he may not all day if he is tweaked for long enough. SWIM would suggest, that since this is not a recreational dose, start off trying 1 20mg pill at maximum, perhaps half a pill the first time since this isn't recreational. SWIY would be advised to use XR if possible. Regular adderall is usually preferred for recreational purposes, the XR works not as powerfully for a longer period, meaning SWIY not using it a recreational use would use less pills. However, if SWIY has a low natural tolerance like SWIM, SWIY may find the XR may keep her up at night if it is not taken early.

Hallucinations are not caused directly by amphetamines, but rather sleep deprivation. However, a hallucination from sleep deprivation is mostly seeing shadows and objects move or change shape SWIM has never had one last more than 3-4 seconds. Things also may appear a different color for a couple seconds or SWIY may find her depth perception a little skewed for a second or two and things may appear to bubble out at SWIY. Not like actually at SWIY, but enough that SWIY will notice it has an odd shape. Little quirks like that are all SWIM has experienced. As stated before SWIM is currently tweaking, he has not slept since monday and he has not experienced anything other than mild quirks in vision such as those described above.

With dosages around 20mg, the effects can vary wildly with natural tolerance. SWIY may not feel anything at all with half a pill, or in SWIM's case he finds 20mg a good starter dose before a binge or a mild buzz dose, expected effects can be mild euphoria, slight tingly sensation in hands, cold sweats, increased heart rate, dilated pupils, increased energy, lack of appetite, possible nausea (usually for SWIM during binges because he won't eat for a whole day while he is on it), a friendlier and more social disposition, increased mental focus (can help with home work and studying, can help SWIY stay up with feeling tired), insomnia (if SWIY has trouble sleeping normally, she should consider other medications or dieting amphetamines can play hell on the sleeping patterns of a natural insomniac), dry mouth, oral fixation (chewing on the tongue, gnashing the teeth, some SWIMMERS chew gum because SWIY may find she caused a sore somewhere in mouth without even knowing it, if SWIY is a smoker she may find herself smoking significantly more) more alert, increased appreciation of music, possible small twitches, increased motivation to do tasks SWIY may otherwise consider boring (SWIM can get some serious cleaning done when he is on adderall), increased restlessness, and possible increase in sex drive. Every person reacts differently to amphetamines, so SWIY should find her tolerance based around 10mg or 20mg doses and effects vary per person. Natural tolerances vary widely, SWIY may find a 10mg dose to sufficient or she may need 40mg. The listed effects also vary, and effects may vary between 2 different doses in the same person. SWIY should find her tolerance first and foremost, while only SWIY can judge the effects on herself, erowid would be a good resource for gauging the effects and SWIY's tolerance.

WARNINGS:
Amphetamines a highly addictive and can cause physical addiction, however physical addiction symptoms are only mild or moderate when compared with other drugs. Still, being careful as amphetamines can go from a diet pill to a diet and study pill to a diet, study, and party pill, and eventually to an every day pill. SWIM recommends only using amphetamines for one desired purpose until SWIY has become comfortable that its usage. Amphetamines can build a tolerance above SWIY's natural one, but tolerance dissipates in around 2 days. The amphetamine comedown can be bad with high doses, but SWIM has only experienced it once on a very large dose and hallucinated for 2 days, couldn't sleep, depression, general effects are much like PTSD, however this dose was mixed with cocaine, weed, , and alcohol so SWIM was having comedowns and hangovers effects of the worst kind from everything. This is not to fear as SWIM estimates this dose to have been 3-6 times his normal recreational dose but is unsure as it was amphetamine that the coke was heavily cut with. SWIY would to knowingly ingest a very large dose to experience a hangover or very bad comedown, SWIM's normal recreational dose does not cause those symptoms, so SWIY's dose for weight loss would be bare minimum dose to be effective. Mixing with alcohol can be very dangerous so drink responsibly, amphetamines will cancel out many of alcohol's negative effects that normally that would normally signal to SWIY that she is drunk may not necessarily be present. SWIM has heard myths of college kids taking amphetamines and heavily drinking have died from alcohol poisoning standing, awake, and eyes open. However, these are myths and SWIM is skeptical. In either scenario, SWIY should watch her alcohol intake like she would opiate painkillers.

RECREATION:
NOTE: Times and dosages apply to regular adderall 20mg, no XR as SWIY may prefer to take for dieting.
So SWIY has lost all the weight she needs to or just decides she wants to experience a full amphetamine high and not just the very mild effects 1 20mg XR will likely have. The dose is dependent on SWIY's tolerance, SWIM may only take 60mg-100mg depending on how hard he wants to tweak, but SWIM may tweak on 40mg or 160mg+ (that is getting to a vary high dose, however tolerance is the name of the game with this drug). SWIM thinks the best way for SWIY to try a recreational dose would be ito increase the 1 20 mg over her weight loss dose, then she can go on until she finds just how high she likes to be. Administration can basically be done SWIY's favorite way of doing drugs, the pills take ~1.5-2 hours to start feeling effects for SWIM, this is obviously the easiest way and has moderate level effects over a long period of time. Snorting these is not like snorting a typical oxycontin because the oxy is relatively easy to break, pulling apart and adderall reveals a lot of these tine BBs that can be snorted straight but will just filter to the stomach and is the same as dropping a pill. These tiny BBs need to be crushed, there are many methods but any way you do it these little buggers tend to pop when crushed and roll around a bit. SWIM uses a tupperware lid and rolls the long side of the lighter with pressure across the BBs, but they pop and will move around a bit. The poor man's method is to place the BBs in the bottom plastic of a cigarette pack and using the lighter side again, this method is the least messy of the poor man's methods if the plastic is proper sealed, just pour, line, snort, get high. Don't try to just dump onto a flat table and crush, this gets messy, a small surface with raised edges is preferable. The effects will come on in about 5-15 minutes and may last around 0.5-1 hour less. Now, leaving some of the BBs uncrushed means they act just like pills for timings. One of SWIMs methods is he will drop either one or two 20mg pills, then 1.5 hours after he will snort one or two 20mg pills, of which he will crush 1/2-3/4 of the BBs. This gives a powerful beginning to the high, it will plateau for a little while and 1.5 hours after snorting the high will increase again because of the BBs that were left. Effects of snorting are variable on the amount of BBs crushed, if all are crushed around 3.5 hours, if 1/2 BBs are left effects we be most intense around the 1.5-3 hour mark then the snorted amphetamine will taper off and SWIY will be left will a high that is nice but not as intense, effects of BBs or pills can last 4-8 hours after dose. SWIM prefers not use XR recreationally as its effects are longer but not as intense of high in pill form, however SWIM has never snorted XR. SWIM finds when tweaking that it is best to go on weekend binges friday night into saturday and stop using around saturday evening. Marijuana creates a very nice high with amphetamines it is a marijuana high with amphetamine euphoria, energy, and increased socializing. The body high is very nice, large increased appreciation of music it will basically turn SWIY into an energetic stoner and SWIM encourages her experience this high at least once. Take only a minimal or mild recreational of amphetamines as too high of a dose can cause some bad disorientation, also be aware that weed will become more potent so she may not want to smoke as much. Mixing amphetamines with MDMA is not really recommended, SWIM has never tried this combo but since both are stimulants and that can mess up SWIY's heart, MDMA is also part methamphetamine so effects of mixing with amphetamine may be like a large dose of amphetamines with mild effects of MDMA, but SWIM is unsure of this. Users of prescription amphetamines may also, for either personal anxiety disorder or sleeping problems due to the amphetamines, be prescribed an appropriate benzodiazepine for their specific condition, SWIM has not tried this personally but has heard that recreational doses is quite an experience and is a safe combination. Now, mixing amphetamines and cocaine and be VERY dangerous, mixed with alcohol and now only will SWIY's heart be beating rather quickly, cocoa-ethylene can do some serious damage to the liver, the positive effects of the alcohol will be boosted by the amphetamines and SWIY may it takes less to get her drunk.

DON'T DO THIS:
SWIM has been put in the hospital because of a grocery list of substances at one time, including amphetamines. SWIM had, that both wonderful and horrible night, liquor(2 malt liquor 40s), weed (4 blunts, shared 4 people), coke (4 8balls with unknown amount of amps, shared 3 people), and large rocks of crack (10-15, shared 4 people) the total span of the session was around 4.5 hours. This combo sent SWIM's body haywire, and add in a high dose of tylenol and SWIM is surprised he still has a liver. SWIM's body was overdosing on either cocaine or amphetamines (more likely), however the 2-day psychotic episode of a comedown, all the while SWIM had so many amphetamines still running he went through 3 days and 2 sleepless nights of hallucinations, paranoia, and psychotic episodes. But also remember SWIM likely ingested a dose of cocaine somewhere near 1-1.5g, amphetamines estimated somewhere around 600mg-1g, several beers and the 40s, along with around 2000mg of tylenol, and maybe 1.-2.5g of weed. SWIM' woke up in the hospital with his heartbeat getting up towards the roof, his liver was toasted, they had to have him on 2 simultaneous IVs to keep him dying of dehydration (liver was using massive amounts of fluid to remove chemicals). SWIM will say this: while the high was beyond compare, that is not a way to die. And the psychotic problems that occurred for the next 3 days, words just cannot describe the combination of intense paranoia and intense hallucinations, it is an experience would not wish even on the worst of criminals. At the time, SWIM was previously inexperienced with amphetamines, so on top having hallucinating every shadow trying to kill him, he as stuck wondering why he was having these symptoms. He now understands them as a very intense amphetamine comedown/hangover combined with dehydration and a bad alcohol hangover (cocaine bonds with alcohol in liver and will SWIY drunk faster, as well as amphetamines). Put simply, SWIM's comedown paranoia kicked into overdrive when SWIM became paranoid as to why he had hallucinations, paranoia, and started having psychotic episodes, which made SWIM feel like he was watching himself go crazy. SWIM watching himself go crazy is scarier than any hallucinations, he felt as if he was watching himself lose his mind and had zero control over any of it. The paranoia would kick in, SWIM thought he would spend the rest of his years in an institution and there was nothing he could do to stop, all he could do was watch it slowly happen. However, SWIM felt back to his normal self within a week, psychotic effects diminished towards the early morning of the 2nd night and all the 3rd day. With a week he was back to full mental and physical health. Unfortunately, this event happened before SWIM's education in drugs so he was just going all out one. Now SWIM knows prefers to stick with strictly pharmaceuticals and marijuana, with pills SWIM knows the purity of his drug and exactly how much he is taking, this is extremely valuable information and SWIM prefers to avoid street drugs and just stick to things he knows.

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very long-winded, but excellent post. worth the read.

[ninjaned]

Amphetamine isn't the best choice for weight lose, but it works. Swim'd recommend other things over it as he feels it's just too fun to only use for weight lose. Swim started out only using it before band practice. Then only for band practice and homework, then only for band practice, homework, and school. ect. Swim ended up at 99 pounds. He didn't even intend to lose any weight...

I guess swim's point is, it works, but it's not worth its danger as a weight lose drug.

[BmmB]

May I recommend derivatives of amphetamines which are specially labeled to suppress appetite? These however should be accompanied by a very good diet, because trust me, if your main goal is to lose weight; any amphetamine or stimulant will work like a charm, but after a few weeks your body creates resistance, you will want to take more and say "screw it, this does not work" or overdose. You will gain ALL your weight back if not more, just Google it. Anfepramone is an excellent appetite suppressor which is not as strong and will help you as long as you create a goal and don't give up. Never, NEVER abuse them. If they're not working anymore is because you are already abusing it.

It is safe to take, let's say Anfepramone with a good diet and with a doctor to advise you. The thing is, these kind of drugs, will make you wanna "not eat" for 2 days, without any hunger; you have to fight this feeling, don't think that don't eating anything is the easy path to lose weight, a healthy diet combined with certain medications can help you indeed, but for these kind of drugs I can make no recommendation other than asking you to see a doctor. Weed does not help a lot as well right for this purpose? So start from the basic.

As for additional information on diet pills, appetite suppressants; they are dangerous, addictive and have a lot of side effects; SWIMs experience was of extreme stress at the point of going to the hospital to take Diazepam IV. It can work if you follow your doctors order; which is he/she that you should be talking at the first place to begin with. Do not take these drugs on your own, I beg you, they were the king of drugs that made SWYM almost crazy. You can't sleep, you stress yourself very easily among thousands of other side effects. But it I am no doctor. But please be careful when taking these kind of drugs, and never take them on your own and always inform a close friend or family that you're taking it if you still insist on taking it on your own. I can only wish the best of hope! Please go see a doctor for advise, if you don't like it, then well, at least you can say you gave it a shot =)

I Wish the best of luck and do not hesitate to contact me for advise or just a chat, because I've been on this road, and it's not a pretty one.

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[fernley]

Swims friend has been offered T5's but has never heard of them. they said its like wizz but there slimming tablets. Swim is after both to lose wait and to feel like there on wizz. Does any one no anything about them.