Certain drugs produce specific hallucinations?

[Praxis]

So theres the Salvia Goddess, the Machine elves...what other bizarre recurring hallucinations are there that are common among users and trips on certain drugs? SWIM is currently very intrigued by these hallucinations that are shared by many many people.

[D.U.M.B]

One that is quite frequent for SWIM is talking trees. Especially with mushrooms.

SWIM was told the way out of a forest once by a tree. The advice was accurate and later it freaked out a sober SWIM

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damn cool post

[Praxis]

definately thought this would be a conversation stimulator

[Alfa]

Would think so to. The entities encountered on various substances are very specific for each substance. It is very strange that world wide people experience the same entity on a drug. It defies the logical explanation that it is just a hallucination. While AFAIK these entities hold one thing in common: extreme bizarreness.
If you look at the history of the uses of these drugs, natives/shamans have often described the effects of these drugs as the soul or spirit of the plant. So this should be a very interesting topic to explore.
If anyone would care to research this a bit, interesting results may come up.
Which drugs have entities tied to them? Which entities? Background info is always welcome.

[daeron]

well every time mipro is done, this really hot elf like chick comes out of my speakers

[zera]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Would think so to. The entities encountered on various substances are very specific for each substance. It is very strange that world wide people experience the same entity on a drug. It defies the logical explanation that it is just a hallucination. While AFAIK these entities hold one thing in common: extreme bizarreness.
If you look at the history of the uses of these drugs, natives/shamans have often described the effects of these drugs as the soul or spirit of the plant. So this should be a very interesting topic to explore.
If anyone would care to research this a bit, interesting results may come up.
Which drugs have entities tied to them? Which entities? Background info is always welcome.

An excellent article that actually talks about this (specifically the elves people see on DMT):
http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=dmt_pickover

Swim would also like to say that he didn't experience the Salvia goddess on his breakthrough experience, but rather something that was very masculine, almost beastly, kind of like a Yeti. It most definitely was not female, and it didn't seem like God at all. It seemed hostile, almost demonic. Maybe the effect of the mescaline skewed his trip though. Swim should try another breakthrough trip with the rest of the salvia while sober.

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Good post

[Female]

*SWIM wasn't sure whether or not to post this in insights or in drug culture, so if it needs to be moved to match the category that's awesome too.
Something that SWIM finds interesting is that many people report seeing spiders while on diphenhyramine, and also report seeing clearish gelatin blobs a lot too. What makes certain hallucinations common to a drug? Like why do so many people report seeing children on salvia? SWIM is interested to hear SWIY's thoughts on the matter, or reports of seeing similar things.
It'd be nice to hear theories, ranging from scientific to unexplainable phenomena or spiritual reasons, and to also mention comparative reports from personal experiences or shared experiences.

What connects it all?

[Female]

SWIM sees children on Salvia, and she once saw a painting someone did (on this forum, though she doesn't know where) of a little girl holding a ball, which is exactly what she saw. She's also compared her salvia trip to someone elses who said they went to a circus and the darkness was trying to overtake the light, just like her trip.
And with all the dramamine reports she's been reading, spiders seems to be common as well as weird filmly clear gelatin gloop stuff.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Here is SWIMs explanation for what might be going on, chemically, with some drugs causing visuals common to many people:

SWIM does not know the answer for why some people seem to hallucinate similar types of things on one drug vs. another, but he has heard of the phenomenon. His best guess is that the drugs are triggering something in the sensory cortices that would normally fire when they detect certain classes of objects, and the rest of the brain interprets this as the objects really being there. For parts of the visual cortex, different cells will fire in response ONLY lines oriented at specific angles. Four of these cells firing at once would produce the recognition of a parallelogram. Perhaps the "universal" or widespread hallucinations caused by some drugs is a higher-level elaboration on this.

Alternately perhaps it could be manifesting by triggering memories, like how some people theorize dreams operate. Maybe memories or cognitive schema of "children" or "gelatin" are stored in a relatively specific place in the brain that has not been found yet, and activity here would produce the sight or belief that a child or a large gelatin blob is in SWIYs room.

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	my thoughts exactly
	right on

[Potter]

My ethnobotany teacher gave us a lecture on Ayahusaca, and remarked that pythons and panthers are almost universally seen under the influence of the ayahusaca.

[ponygirl]

One time SWIM and a friend were rolling and both kept seeing 'ashes' collect on each other and things around the room. Very bizarre. SWIM has never seen anything like that sense.

[Montgolfier]

Originally Posted by D.U.M.B

One that is quite frequent for SWIM is talking trees. Especially with mushrooms.

SWIM was told the way out of a forest once by a tree. The advice was accurate and later it freaked out a sober SWIM

Glad I'm not the only one!!)SWIM is always having conversations (telepathic ones) with trees, bushes and other shrubbery whilst tripping on mushrooms!! It's allmost like the bobbing motion created by the wind becomes the trees natural repetitive movements and the flailing branches become beconning arms or something! )

Swim also saw a tunnel filld with demons on a very strong LSD trip, he realised at the time that these were simply visual manefestations of his own fears and made them dissapear.

[Trebor]

I've noticed that drugs that have been used by a particular culture give hallucinations simmillar to that culture, for example; Swim had a morning glory trip in which he saw Mayan societys. The Mayans had used MG's for years as a means to communicate with ancestors. I also believe that all drugs have a hallucenagenic quality, just that with use, a little bit of it is taken from it, the more use the less hallucenations. Cannabis, if you read Fitz Hugh Ludlow, has hallucenagenic traits if eaten, albeit anytime Swim ate it he just got a regualr high, no visions, Ludlow did however in his book, "The Hashish Eater", he describes them.

[djama]

I notice that a lot of people who do not use drugs also suffer from similar hallucinations including:
Going to war is a good idea.
Getting sportspeople to wear one particular brand of clothes over another is worth millions of dollars a year, and
Paying the people who actually manufacture those clothes $1ph is fair.

How come I still got a red light? I edited my offending post, I read the rules, I confessed, did penance, ate worms - is there something else swidjama is supposed to do?

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	Funny. And you, like me, have a red light becuase nobody reapproved your post.
	good perspective
	Lol, thanks for pointing this out.. not sure why you have a red light..

[snapper]

SWIM always sees the same patterns and figures while on Salvia. Though SWIM feels that most if not all hallucinogens have their hallmark patterns, feelings, and images (if visual), Salvia is ALWAYS the same. In higher doses, it starts to change, but in the normal range of usage it is repetitive enough to be boring. The visuals are often scale or shingle-like repeating patterns (as in roofing shingles) which build around themselves. These can turn to house like structures, toadstools, tombstones or other rectangular shapes. They also generally follow a spiral or circular pattern, and tend to be thin bright colored outlines on a dark background. They can be quite complex, and more often than once SWIM has felt like SWIM was flying low over a dark glowingly-outlined cityscape.
At higher doses, the effect becomes more dissociative and otherworldly, and at this level the experience can vary quite wildly and is often scary.
AMT and 5meoDIPT always had the same patterns during the alert when SWIM used them a lot. AMT always had the translucent, fluorescent, liquid blobs on the ceiling and walls,and 5meoDIPT thin swirling tendrils of bright colors loosly scattered in the field of vision. With 2-CC it was always gear or circular sawblade patterns.
SWIM thinks that this effect is partly psychological and is an attached memory to a significant emotional or mental event (ie-tripping). When SWIM had HPPD very long ago, the effects were worsened by anxiety or stress, and at those times minicked the effects of the onset of LSD, which was SWIMs favorite drug at the time. Taking LSD years later started a whole new set of alert patterns which repeated in subsequent trips, but they were not the same that SWIM remembered from previous LSD usage and HPPD. This indicates a psychological component, which is probably present and influences the effect of all these durgs, making an accurate characterization of effects at this level of detail impossible to interpret and very subjective.

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Wow. Way to remember everything you ever wanted to say on the subject. +1

[djama]

Originally Posted by MrCheese

SWIM is always having conversations (telepathic ones) with trees, bushes and other shrubbery .

Wasnt there someone famous who was talking to a burning bush that told him what God wanted him to do.


Swim and a friend one day on mescaline saw thousands of tiny 'worms of light' in the sky. They wondered if it was what Wilhelm Reich called Orgone Energy. The worms seemed to appear and disappear and also collide with effect but without destruction. Swim wonders if it is a retinal effect of glare that we normally simply screen out because it is distracting - anyone else seen my worms?

[Praxis]

I seriously think the Bible was heavenly influenced by drugs of all sorts. ESPECIALLY that book of revelations...come on....multiple headed animals...bugs with human heads, horns and lions manes...gotta be drugs.

[Trebor]

The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East offered the theory that Jesus was a mushrrom, you may luagh now but Allegro, John Marco, is a scholar of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[peregrin23]

Is it possible that we all belong to an active Overmind?,could Jung,Joseph Campbell,Daniel Pinchbeck,the Mayan's,terence Mckenna,myself,countless trippers and Your own intuition maybe just maybe be onto somthing?
I believe that some not all of the entities that people encounter with various plants and chemicals are literally 'real',the fact (for me) that we are all part of a huge web that is woven with reoccurring motif would explain why our unconcious summons similar symbols and beings when its veil has been lifted,what is harder to explain is the very real presence of plant teachers and what i am intrested in is what we as a species can do insofar as contacting,documenting and implementing a plan in regards to these beautiful teachers,forums are a good start,but i kind of get the feeling we are running out of time,i think it very very important that everybody makes full use of there experiences,to enter with intent,it cannot be somthing to be used as a high,we need to corroberate and correlate what it is is being asked of us beyond just the personal.
Swims own experience has made him very aware of what he needs to do for himself,but what do these HyperBeings require from us ALL?...

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	insightful: poses questions for the age
	Great post, thank you!!

[bewilderment]

Many people report seeing Native American like imagery on hallucinogens, especially peyote and ayahuasca. Swim once had an experience on a 2C-I/DXM combo trip (there are dangers to this, swim knows and thus does not encourage anyone else to try the same) where she stood in front of the mirror for about an hour watching her face morph into different faces of all ethnicities, but Native American showed up the most.

Swim has conjured up the spirit (feeling of presence) of Jim Morrison on many occasions when on upper-plateau DXM trips. Her spouse also had hallucinations involving Morrison when she was on DXM and ecstacy (DEFINITELY not recommended although her wife turned out fine). She's read a lot of similar trip reports online. Maybe it just has to do with people listening to "The Doors" often during trips.

She also has a tendency to meet entities (or the sensation of such) during closed-eye visuals on DXM. She once even met the Salvia goddess while on DXM (funny place for her to show up!).

[Demonslayer]

SWIM sees CEV's like Australian native paintings on Cebil.
Acid often gives fractal designs.
Shrooms have many different qualities, Liberty caps and cubensis always give SWIM Indonesian, thai and indian inspired CEV's.
Paneoulus tropicalis gives aztec-like CEV's.
Mexican shrooms always makes CEV's inspired by Hopi or apache designs.
Cannabis gives acantus-like designs in brown and green or cartoonish figures.
Salvia often looks like highly magnified cellulose cells or glass tiles in mostly green colors.

[Akewstick]

There was a Hindu deva that was "the god of" (if you want to call it that) a certain type of plant, and there is a psychoactive plant in a certain part of the world that shares it's name with this deva, i can't find the details of it now though.

Whenever Stevie Boldank mixes Nitrous oxide with weed, e and butyl nitrite, 5 out of 6 times sees The Soldiers. Sometiems, he's among their ranks, sometimes he's watching them from a great height, once he was a palace and they marched up his steps. Sometimes he glides along behind them trying to catch up (always a lovely rush when he manages it), but they will never stop marching for anything, and never get faster or slower.

It's pretty common that Stevie makes outrageous claims at deafening volume from the depths of a nos trip, "I just realised that I'm french" stands out in his mind, but there are none more outrageous and hard to defend when sober than "I am an iranian palace". Don't ask me how he knew he was iranian, but he swears that for what seemed like ages, he was an iranian palace, though none of his friends could be persuaded to find much validity in the claim.

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like the humour,need more!

[violentcheetah]

SWIM saw Steamboat Willie (the 1920's black and white Disney Cartoon) SWIM became one with his purple lava lamp and there were 3 Steamboat Willies whistling and walking with suitcases one on top of the other and "snap", swim was sitting on the couch across the room looking at the lava lamp. This was 5 years ago and no disney or Steamboat Willie had been seen in over a decade, came out of nowhere. AMT
LSD & MDMA - a couch dethreaded and wrapped around swim, but in a soothing wierd way swim says.
LSD-Swim and the friend swim was with, so swim has proof it was really there, a do-do bird. SWIM swears.
DMT-SWIM cant put into words.

[Richi]

This would be an interesting topic to do a wide scale study on, including results form different cultures.

Mushrooms have always seemed like nature's drug. All the little elves I know eat mushrooms and celebrate outside. They fall in love with nature.

Salvia creates powerful visions of confusing places and scenarios, too confusing for swim.

But swim wonder's if this could be a consequence - cause type phenomenon. Does the drug cause the vision, or does the vision arise as a consequence of expecting it?

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Interesting comments, thanks for posting..

[moda00]

Mushrooms often make swim see geometric designs with distinctly Atzec undertones- CEV and OEV, most prominent when looking up at a bright, clear sky.

As for LSD- while brightening and changed perception of color is common to many psychedelics, or so it seems, the distinct "rainbow" and prevalence of the colors- all the colors in the spectrum of light occurring simultaneously and the blurring of the traditional boundaries between color and shape- seem unique to acid. Anyone else feel that certain properties of color and shape are unique to acid?

With both salvia and DMT, it seems entities are a common theme- a being or deity, a god or an alien, there are so many- as mentioned, a common one being the DMT elves, also alien-abduction type experiences- much of this is discussed in Strassman's book The Spirit Molecule, where one can actually read the detailed experience reports and compare the similarities and the author's hypothesis on this.. While SWIM hasn't done DMT, she has done salvia, and has had the sensation of a distinct and all-knowing entity, apart from what she has ever experienced on more "traditional" psychedelics like mushrooms and lsd.

Castaneda's descriptions of Mescalito are of interest as well..

Originally Posted by Richi

Mushrooms have always seemed like nature's drug. All the little elves I know eat mushrooms and celebrate outside. They fall in love with nature.

Swim agrees with Richi on this one. Mushrooms make her feel connected to nature like no other, and she tends to seek outdoor locations while having the mushroom experience. While she has experienced and enjoyed plenty of other substances outdoors, it does seem that mushrooms have an almost primal connection to nature and her cycles.


Another interesting question that this brings up is, if humans have been consuming these plants since the beginning of our existence, could there not be something innate, something unique to the mushroom that contains our history as a species?? Rather than the concept that it is a poison, producing "unreal," "unnatural,"or "subjective" experiences by interrupting brain chemistry-- could it be that there is a shared reality and history in the mushroom? I've thought often about how such a substance could have been the very framework for human consciousness as it is today. Also, such substances were (and are) often steeped in ritual and religion- perhaps the whole concept of modern religion, an entity or deity, is really a misguided interpretation of the higher consciousness that unites everything, such as through the psychedelic experience of our ancestors. I think the concept of "hallucinations," as these substances have been termed, and the implication that any and everything experienced while under the influence is false, fictitiously created, and of no relevance has had significant influence on peoples' perceptions and willingness to pursue other ideas. Perhaps if there were more research into the things that bind us together, and the things that are part of a shared reality within the context of psychedelics- perhaps using these common/shared experiences as a starting point- we could start to look at things a little differently as a society, and not just as an underground movement or a sub/counterculture or a radical notion, but as a real and meaningful exploration of our existence. I strongly believe that any examination of our society and our existence as human beings, consciousness, etc. must look very closely at mind-altering substances- which have played a significant role in all of human history (although, now that it has been suppressed and demonized, its role may seem insignificant or even non-existant)..

I also wonder, when I'm off on one of my tangents, whether there is something innate about plants- such as mushrooms or salvia- or naturally occurring substances- such as endogenous DMT- which are significantly different from say chemically synthesized psychedelics such as LSD? In some ways they are very similar, and swim has enjoyed and learned much from both. But, I guess what I'm saying, is- is there a qualitative difference in the experience of something that comes from the earth and has its roots in the earliest civilizations, vs. something that was only just recently discovered? I guess my thoughts at this point, are that something like lsd or maybe some of the research chems, hold much of the same power and potential as something like mushrooms, and can lead to many of the same places and experiences- ie. that, for example, lsd could have played that role in early society and religion, had it been around instead of mushrooms. Of course, some may say there is something sacred about something that comes from the earth, something that goes back beyond human influence, and to some extent I agree. But I think all these substances have the potential to allow one access to the subconscious, and/or the collective conscious..

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	great post ;)
	Good thoughts, perhaps worth starting a thread about if one doesn't already exist... hmm