Addiction - Tolerance to Caffeine pills

[csharpprogrammer]

I was just wondering if caffeine only affects certain people. I have tried taking two 200mg caffeine pills flushed with a 20oz Mountain Dew multiple times without noticing any effects at all. Am I not taking enough or does caffeine just not effect me?

[csharpprogrammer]

I will try chewing them on an empty stomach, but I was also wondering if one could develop a tolerance to caffeine, as I drink soda A LOT. Oh... and do the NoDoz pills taste nasty when chewed?

[wellhelm]

They taste like strawberry icecream.

[Forthesevenlakes]

tolerance could certainly develop to caffeine. maybe the reason swiy feels nothing is because he or she drinks soda a lot, as you say.

[csharpprogrammer]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

tolerance could certainly develop to caffeine. maybe the reason swiy feels nothing is because he or she drinks soda a lot, as you say.

So if SWIM notices no effects at approx. 400mg, what dosage does one recommend for SWIM?

[wellhelm]

If you google caffiene pills it will tell swiy all ya need to know. A 200mg caffiene pill is like taking 2 strong cups of coffee. Is swiy trying to catch a buzz?

[csharpprogrammer]

Originally Posted by wellhelm

If you google caffiene pills it will tell swiy all ya need to know. A 200mg caffiene pill is like taking 2 strong cups of coffee. Is swiy trying to catch a buzz?

Yes, SWIM is trying to catch a buzz... but he doesn't know if he needs more than 400mg or if caffeine does not affect him.

[Paracelsus]

afaik caffeine becomes toxic from 1g and up. but it has been reported that even 4g overdoses do not cause permanent damage to the system..the lethal dose of caffeine is somewhere around 10g (or 100mg/kg).

if 400mg show no effects on swiy, i think thats a pretty sure sign on tolerance. if swiy drinks a lot of caffeine-containing soda, tolerance could be the result.

if swiy wants, he can try even 750mg. if THAT amount shows no effects, swiy is either VERY tolerant to caffeine or he is immune to it. But being immune to caffeine doesnt mean very high doses cant result in toxic effects!

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[dextrolevo]

Try 200 mg of caffiene with 20-25mg of ephedrine.

[Jadegreen]

Don't do any kind of caffeine for a day (chocolate and soda included)

If SWIY feels lethargic, or has a really bad headache, it could be a sign of being addicted to caffeine. If SWIY is addicted, 400 mg might not be a buzz worthy dose, it'd be a dose to feel normal.

[singular]

i was woundering the samd thing for me. i drink up to 4 pots of coffee aday, can drink up to 18 energy drinks a day. not sure how much to pop/sniff because of this... taking 3 -4 dont do anything. got aboot 50 left though lol

[darkglobe]

Okay.... myth-dispelling time!

1. DO NOT mix ephedrine with Caffeine. It's not safe.
2. DO NOT take high (above approx 700mg) doses of Caffeine unless you are experienced with its effects, as it can be really unpleasant (I had palpitations).
3. Caffeine IS A POTENT STIMULANT if used in moderation. I've heard many "caffeine is in coke so it can't be a drug" comments. Look, it's a drug, and it's a powerful drug.

Use it wisely, and it's your friend.
Use it stupidly, and it's your gateway to 2 hours of the shits and a heart attack to boot.

~D

[paranoid_android]

I went through a phase where I would take around 400-1000 mg of caffeine daily and stopped abruptly. I ended up with a headache every night, depression, and even suicidal ideation for about 4 days. The only reason it stopped at 4 days is because I brewed a pot of coffee and finally realized, when I felt better, that I was addicted to caffeine. Take it from darkglobe... caffeine, just like any other drug, will efficiently kick your ass if you're stupid with it.

[darkglobe]

Aye. I've never been a victim of Caffeine addiction (I think... many don't know it as they inadvertently take the stuff without knowing) but have heard that the withdrawal symptons are particularly nasty.

It's much the same as Nicotine addiction. This is totally unfounded ideology by the way, I just think that they're similar. Nicotine does next to nothing for the user, minus a little stimulation. Caffeine has stimulative qualities, but none that I would consider particularly desirable. Both drugs seem to exist only to cause addiction....

I did experiment for a while with Caffeine pills. I believe they were 25mg each. I took a few, and - after feeling bugger all - I took a 500mg dose of Caffeine (bear in mind I rarely drink Caffeinated drinks).

The effects were what I would associate with mild fever; sweating, slight palpitations, tachycardia (this was worrying), overall feeling of panic and extreme headache.

I never repeated this use of Caffeine, and have abstained from Caffeinated beverages for quite some time, now. I occasionally have a can of Red Bull or similar, but that's purely for the Taurine!

By the way, I hate you paranoid_android! I wanted that fucking username Lol! Only kidding...

Hope tha above helps those considering Caffeine use, anyway. Time for a Caffeine sub-forum too, methinks.

~Dark

[Paracelsus]

While the effects of caffeine aren't particularly desireable, they are useful in some situations, as caffeine efficiently combats drowsiness and fatigue. It doesn't just exist to cause addiction.

Most caffeine addicts experience drowsiness, headaches and anxiety during caffeine withdrawal. Enough to keep them hooked on coffee/soda. SWIM has a cousin who drinks soda and coffee instead of water (literally) and has to drink ~1 liter of Mountain Dew before going to bed. Of course he doesn't admit being an addict.
Caffeine is obviously NOT for frequent use. Occasional use when one is tired and needs to finish something is OK for most people.

By the way, nicotine doesn't produce only mild stimulation. Native Americans used to deeply inhale huge quantities of tobacco smoke, and fall into a deep trance. I have seen a guy smoking two ciggarettes (at once), inhaling the smoke through tin foil into his nose. You don't want to know what happened.

[fnord]

you can deffinitly devolope a tollerance to caffine pills swim bought 2 bottles at this local doler store,went home took one later tok another.by the end of the week all 80 pills were gone and swim had to take 6-8 every morning just to get the same effects as he did on the first day,whiole this was not healthy or wise,swim has substance abuse issues.high doses of caffine also makes swims hands go numb.anyone else?

[Paracelsus]

Originally Posted by darkglobe

Actually, I'm intrigued...

OK. He had palpitations. He lost control of his motions. He almost lost conciousness. He later said he was heavily intoxicated and delirious. Nicotine poisoning is no joke. Don't try it to 'get fucked up'.
If you want more info on this, try to find reports from the first spanish colonists that explored America. The Indians were reported to inhale tobacco smoke into the nose through a Y-shaped device, in order to fall into a trance.

Back on topic now.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by darkglobe

Okay.... myth-dispelling time!

1. DO NOT mix ephedrine with Caffeine. It's not safe.

Many athletes combine ephedrine and caffeine (along with aspirin) to boost their training performance, it's called an "ECA stack".

There's no dangerous interaction between caffeine and ephedrine, the danger is in how much of the stuff you take. Large amounts of ephedrine are dangerous, period.

[tayo]

Sure one could develop a tolerance to caffeine, and some people tend to fall asleep shortly after ingestion too. SWIM bought a one kilogram of Anhydrous Caffeine, SWIM no longer needs to buy coffee or energy drinks for, well, YEARS! SWIM would rathe make Ephedra tea since the Ephedra Sinica herb is not illegal to purchase or consume, companies are simply not allowed to include it in "dietary supplements", because of non-standardized extraction methods. Resulting in sometimes drastic variance in potency which along with Caffeine and Apirin has caused death in various cases.

[lulz]

I totally forgot to mention - people with ADD are well known to have unusual reactions to caffeine. For a lot of people with ADD, caffeine has little effect or even the opposite effect (making them tired etc).

You called this a "tolerance" to caffeine. Do you mean that you used to get stimulated by caffeine, but you've built up a resistance to it? Or has caffeine never been stimulating for you?

[tayo]

SWIM meant exactly that, SWIM has A.D.D. and sometimes caffeine will put SWIM to sleep. Sorry SWIM was unclear. But in the same sentence it was also meant by "tolerance" that someone could potentially develop a need for more caffeine, (chronic coffee drinkers) and may need extra shots to get to the point of desired stimulation.

[Diapuch]

I used to be addicted to caffeine, I would have 3-6 (strong) cups of coffee, some sort of soft drink and NoDoze most days. At it's peak it was probably 600-800mg a day. I just slowly reduced my intake, first not taking NoDoze, then reducing my amount of coffee and didn't notice any affects... That is until just recently I was shit tired and decided to buy some NoDoze - I took two and boy, it woke me up!

[lulz]

Originally Posted by austeyr

I used to be addicted to caffeine

Proof that addiction can be a mental phenomenon.