BDB

[wizard warior]

anyone tried the above or any trip reports to share,its supposedly like e

[taka]

I will try to BDB this weekend. Then I report you.

[sunra]

Can anyone tell me what BDB stands for?

[Alfa]

<H2>PIHKAL #94 J</H2>


BDB; 2-AMINO-1-(3,4-METHYLENEDIOXYPHENYL)BUTANE; 1-(1,3-BENZODIOXOL-5-YL)-2-BUTANAMINE


DOSAGE: 150 - 230 mg.

DURATION: 4 - 8 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 175 mg) The first stirrings were evident in a half hour, pleasant feelings, and without any untoward body effects. Within another half hour I was at a plus 2 and there it leveled off. I would be reluctant to drive a car, but I could were it necessary. There were no visual distortions, no giddiness, no introspective urges, and no rise to a psychedelic intoxication of any significance. After about an hour and a half at this level, I gradually dropped back over another two hours. Afterwards I was quite fatigued and languorous.

(with 200 mg and a 75 mg supplement) RA very strong climb, and a very good, interior feeling. It has some of the MDMA properties, but it is difficult to concentrate on any one point. There is a tendency to slide off. Excellent emotional affect; music is fine but not gripping. Someone had used the phrase, mental nystagmus, and there is something valid there. The supplement was taken at the 2 hour point when I was already aware of some dropping, and its action was noticed in about a half hour.

(with 230 mg) Physically, there was a bit of dry mouth but no teeth clenching, some nystagmus, maybe the slightest bit of dizziness, very anorexic, and it is not a decongestant. Mentally, it is extremely benign and pleasant, funny and good-humored. No visuals. Peaceful. Easy silences, easy talking. More stoning than MDMA.

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: In general, all subjects who have explored J have accepted it and commented favorably. Perhaps those who have used supplements (in an imitation of the common MDMA procedure) achieved an additional period of effect, but also tended to drop to baseline afterwards more rapidly. The physical side effects, such as teeth clench and nystagmus, were infrequent. The consensus is that J is a bit more "stoning" than MDMA, more like MDA, but with a chronology that is very much the same.

Two nomenclature problems have to be faced in the naming of these compounds. One deals with the Chemical Abstracts terminology as contrasted with the logical and intuitive terminology. The other invokes the concept of the Muni-Metro, delightfully simple, but neither Chemical Abstracts-approved nor intuitive in form. The first problem is addressed here; the second is discussed where it better belongs, under the N-methyl homologue of J (see under METHYL-J).

In short, the two-ring system of J, or of any of the MDA-MDMA family of drugs, can be named as one ring being attached to the other, or by a single term that encompasses both. The first procedure, an old friend with chemists and the one that had been used for years in the abstracting services, calls the combination methylenedioxybenzene and, as a prefix, it becomes methylenedioxyphenyl-something. The benzene or the phenyl-something is the foundation of the name, and there happens to be a methylenedioxy-ring attached to it. On this basis, this compound J should be named as if it had no methylenedioxy ring anywhere, and then simply attach the new ring as an afterthought. So, the one-ring parent of J is 1-phenyl-2-aminobutane, and J is 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-aminobutane (or, to be a purist, the amino should alphabetically come first, to give 2-amino-1-(3,4-methylene-dioxyphenyl)butane). The synthesis of the chemical intermediates given above uses this old-fashioned nomenclature.

But the name currently in vogue for this two-ring system is 1,3-benzodioxole. As a prefix it becomes 1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl-something, and so J would be called 1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-aminobutane. This is the source of the code name BDB. And the N-methyl homologue, the alpha-ethyl analogue of MDMA, is named MBDB, or METHYL-J, and is with its own separate entry in this footnote.

There is a psychological nuance to this new nomenclature. The virtues and potential medical value of MDMA lie in its most remarkable property of facilitating communication and introspective states without an overlay of psychedelic action. This property has prompted the coining of a new pharmacological class name, Entactogen, which comes from the Greek roots for "touching within." But MDMA has been badly smeared in both the public and the scientific view, by its wide popular misuse, its precipitous placement into a Schedule I category of the Federal Drug Law, and a flood of negative neurotoxicological findings in animal studies. There are some properties of both this compound and its methyl-homologue that suggest this "entactogen" world, so why not avoid the "MD" prefix that, in many eyes, is pejorative? Stick with the totally obscure chemical names, and call them BDB and MBDB. Or, even more simply, J and METHYL-J.

[taka]

Today I got BDB. I try it tonight with my girl friend.
I heard form my friend who tired it that BDB is similar to MBDB but stronger than it.
The color of the compound is light purple.

There are a lot of RC site in Japan. The government will regulate Research Chemicals in this winter like US. Where should I buy them????? This is the biggest problem for me.

[taka]

I took BDB 200mg at 7:00pm.
1 hour and a half later, I felt a chill but my back was to be hot slightly.
2 hours later, I felt euphoria and was to be talkative.
There was dry mouth and a well-lit room.
This feeling is similar to MBDB and Methylone but I don?ft think for sexual use.
The trip was for 3-4 hours.
Sorry my bad English.

[Alfa]

Any side effects?

[taka]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Any side effects?

I felt light sick and had a headache at 1 hour later after I took. Next day, I felt refreshed.
When I took 5-meo-dipt, I always have a heavy sick.
Comparing to 5-moe-dipt, I think side effects are so light.

[Ximot]

Originally Posted by taka

. The government will regulate Research Chemicals in this winter like US. Where should I buy them????? This is the biggest problem for me.

*off topic*

Konnichiwa taka-San,

is this true? that's a shame... why not buy lots now and store them Many of those sites do not send abroad and sadly I don't live in Japan any more.

Will they regulate all of them? I have heard that many vendors have been shut down by the law in japan already, but I have no documentation - is this true?

Sorry for the off topic, but ...

jya matta,

ximot

[XtcC]

taka: what differents do you consider mbdb &
methylone has with mdma? is there any real "mdma" feeling in BDB?
(serotonin rush) </span>

[Sasha Gulag]

i have methylone on order, (really excited)


Im thinking about ordering BDB too.


Also to be considered is 5-methoxy-diAllylTryptamine(DALT). From erowid trip reps. it sounds like yet another entactogen. Ecstasy, as in the street sold variety, is too variable today. ive seen pills on dancesafe.org that had Dianabol, Coke and PCP all in one pill. the last time i took E it was great. i looked up the pill and geography(NY) on dancesafe and it was MDA and MDEA. i consider the whole MD-amphetamine family to be ecstasy. To say that MDMA is ecstasy and MDMA alone is a bit narrow.