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Old 28-09-2006, 19:58
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Methylone (3,4-methylenedioxymethcathinone, bk-MDMA) Experiences

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t 0m
swim doses 200mg in gel cap

t +20m+10m
First effects which then escalate to peak.
Everything is nice and pleasant to do. Maybe a little bit too nice, SWIM only manages to listen to 30 seconds of each song before switching because, it's nice to switch and SWIM needs to hear all 14032 songs before the peak runs out! SWIM is simultaneously having a phone conversation.

t +1h45m
There's a sudden halt. The music must stop, everything must stop. There must be silence, anything BUT is highly annoying.

Swim grabs the 100mg redose

t +2h05m
Music returns. It is nice, but not too nice. Swim only feels the need to listen to one song at a time. Rather than a phone conversation swim resorts to instant messaging. Still nice, but not nice everything nice!

t +2h50m
Shutdown all systems. Swim must take another 100mg booster, but swim should've done this earlier he feels!! So he compensates with a 150mg redose instead.

t +3h10m
SWIM must do something, SWIM is a real man not some music listening hippie.
SWIM gets the vacuum cleaner out and vacuums the whole apartment, even the ceiling...

t +3h35m
SWIM starts organizing and colour coding. Every single misplaced item in the apartment is put in it's correct place which is somehow absolutely symmetrical to the next item.

t +4h00m
SWIM feels depressed that things will only get misplaced again, SWIM is also depressed that there are no more items out of place.
Then looking at his monitor desktop he realizes that there are unused programs and shortcuts everywhere.

SWIM takes 100mg.

t +4h20m
SWIM has so far cleared up 3gb of space by deleting single files and programs in sizes of 1-10mb.

There was a confusing speedy feeling throughout the two redoses which was increased with each one of them. Now however, it has gone dark outside and SWIM is sitting in front of bright 22" widescreen LCD in the dark. SWIM realizes that there are lights, but not lamps. Lights in the street.

SWIM rushes to put on his shoes and emerges from the dark... into the dark.
Like a moth swim stands beneath the first street light outside his apartment complex.

At this point SWIM realizes that he's only standing there because of confusion and slight panic. He feels rather stupid, lets out a hollow laughter and walks back inside.

t + ??????
SWIM has stopped looking at the clock. Some 200mg more has been ingested at some point. All of his mp3's have been sorted into some 15 different categories (most of which look completely made up).



t + 2-3 hours of sleep
SWIM wakes up feeling confused, where is he, who is he what's going on, he's not supposed to be there!!! HE can't move.

He falls back asleep, but perhaps SWIM didn't even wake up at all.

t + THE NEXT DAY
SWIM wakes up and looks around. He's feeling… good, surprisingly good. He's very pleased with how tidy and organized everything is. He has never woken up to a tidy apartment after ingesting substances before.

SWIM sits on the sofa and feels very pleased with himself. Then a bolt of hunger strikes him, suppression of appetite absolved. He buys himself the biggest burger menu he can find and has a very relaxing day.

CONCLUSION:
Swim feels that if he ever needs to tidy his apartment again he will venture past 1 or 2 boosters. Until then SWIM will keep his money in his pocket and stay at 1-2 boosters where the purpose of the substance REMAINS INTACT. Yes, that would be to have a good time and not feed into some temporary obsessive compulsive disorder.

Somehow, only 116mg remained the next day of the 1000mg. SWIM feels that redosing is essential for him but he has to be much more vigilant when realizing he’s gone past the stage of positive expected value to a redose. That surely is somewhere long before he ever reaches the 800mg mark.

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Excellent trip report. Very funny! And informative, too.
Entertaining report - had a good laugh
Great report. Very informative.
Good Report...glad everyone is ok.
Thanks for the report.
brilliant writing indicates such dosing is not good, but that swim might be a fun friend.

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Old 28-09-2006, 20:23
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Funny - whenever SWIM takes methylone, he wakes up to a house full of empty condom wrappers, lube on everything, empty nitrous chargers, half-drunk soft drinks, etc. A real mess!

I may be wrong about this, but I predict that if SWIY continues to dose this way, he will change his mind eventually about the value of redosing on methylone, and about taking such large amounts.
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Old 28-09-2006, 21:05
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swim mentions that he would barely dose half of that in the future if swiy reads the conclusion.

swim too has experienced the erotic elements of m1 during a different session. Also as mentioned swim usually wakes up to a messy apartment.

This, however was a redose experiment and one of many experiences.
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Old 29-09-2006, 00:28
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No, no, excellent. Well done.
I mean, great report, I enjoyed it a lot. But even the thought of such high doses makes me twitchy.
Your friend SWIM already knows his actions were rash. I hope others out there in cyber-land can learn from his excesses. Thanks for posting this.
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well, thanks.
might add that swim didn't experience any problems swim might experience when taking excessive extensions of coke / speed. racing/erratic heart, high blood pressure and intense paranoia was not there at all. Perhaps SWIM is used to more severe crashes and unwanted effects, but consuming this much methylone in one night is quite a waste of money.. hmm although the equivelant lastability of coke would be twice as expensive. Still, SWIM was surprised at the hangover free next day. Was expecting to be in the muck.
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Old 29-09-2006, 06:36
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CONCLUSION:
Swim feels that if he ever needs to tidy his apartment again he will venture past 1 or 2 boosters. Until then SWIM will keep his money in his pocket and stay at 1-2 boosters where the purpose of the substance REMAINS INTACT. Yes, that would be to have a good time and not feed into some temporary obsessive compulsive disorder.
LOL... SWIM got to experience the methylone fiend personally today. It is indeed about as powerful as coke, which is interesting because part of the reason with coke is (anticipation of) the unpleasant comedown. Yet SWIM hasn't even experienced a comedown from methylone yet. He absolutely has to get to a Dr's appointment tomorrow, so he's done re-dosing at this point. Administration was rectal in today's three doses (in total). SWIM must say he thoroughly enjoyed the redose speediness, but he likes stimulants too damn much for his own good.
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Somehow, only 116mg remained the next day of the 1000mg. SWIM feels that redosing is essential for him but he has to be much more vigilant when realizing he’s gone past the stage of positive expected value to a redose. That surely is somewhere long before he ever reaches the 800mg mark.
Unless pure speediness is desired, or so SWIM hears. Or does redosing stop doing much of anything at some point?
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well, thanks.
might add that swim didn't experience any problems swim might experience when taking excessive extensions of coke / speed. racing/erratic heart, high blood pressure and intense paranoia was not there at all.
SWIM noted some heart rate speedup and occasional irregularity (not to mention a slight headache, tinnitus and slightly enlarged pupils), but nothing serious... definitely no paranoia. In fact, nothing but glorious intensity/focus accompanied by euphoria following redose #1. If anything, the experience *improved* (in SWIM's estimation) following each booster. LOL.

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swim mentions that he would barely dose half of that in the future if swiy reads the conclusion.

swim too has experienced the erotic elements of M1 during a different session. Also as mentioned swim usually wakes up to a messy apartment.

This, however was a redose experiment and one of many experiences.
Good report. SWIM also finds everything in a mess after an M1 session. He starts to do things and then forgets to finish. He might end up just staring into space for a long time. He also notes that he doesn't like much sound intensity, unlike with MDMA. M1 can produce very erotic feelings, whilst making orgasm very difficult to reach.

I'm not encouraging abuse, but for the record, I've read elsewhere that some users like to get through a gram or so in a session. SWIM has to confess to re-dosing a few times, and usually uses something like valium to come down. Without sleep, you can start getting a bit edgy. Two re-doses is enough (three at the very most)-- after that, it hardly does anything except keep you awake afterwards-- and burn a hole in our pocket! Your resistence goes up so rapidly. But still, M1 never gives such a twisted hangover as an excess of MDMA or amphetamine can.

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Old 29-09-2006, 07:57
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Good report. SWIM also finds everything in a mess after an M1 session. He starts to do things and then forgets to finish.
Sounds like SWIM's (very few) experiences with crystal meth. Not much of that for him with methylone, but it affects him the same as most stimulants in that things tend to get left where they are instead of being cleaned up (as if stimulation makes him lazier rather than more industrious).
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He might end up just staring into space for a long time. He also notes that he doesn't like much sound intensity, unlike with MDMA. M1 can produce very erotic feelings, whilst making orgasm very difficult to reach.
Noted very definitively by SWIM as well. Didn't happen for him until the first redose, when it seemed to start tweaking his dopamine receptors like crazy. That's when it started feeling really 'fiend-ish' too, like SWIM could keep redosing forever.
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I'm not encouraging abuse, but for the record, I've read elsewhere that some users like to get through a gram or so in a session. SWIM has to confess to re-dosing a few times, and usually uses something like valium to come down. Without sleep, you can start getting a bit edgy.
Applies to any strong stimulant, eh? Nice to hear about the gram, it makes SWIM's ~375mg today seem like not much of a big deal.
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Two re-doses is enough (three at the very most)-- after that, it hardly does anything except keep you awake afterwards-- and burn a hole in our pocket! Your resistence goes up so rapidly. But still, M1 never gives such a twisted hangover as an excess of MDMA or amphetamine can.
That's good news... hopefully not as bad as coke can get too sometimes during the comedown, where everything is utterly empty of its everything-ness. Simultaneous depletion of dopamine, norepinephrine & serotonin isn't any fun. Methylone seems to target norepinephrine less than either coke or amphetamines.
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Unless pure speediness is desired, or so SWIM hears. Or does redosing stop doing much of anything at some point?
Hehe, have seen some people mention that they enjoy the speediness. I'm sure in some way SWIM did too. As for the end I think SWIM started running out of juice because he hadn't eaten anything while actively moving around. The lack of energy was definitely effecting him and probably caused the larger part of the confusion.

I remember reading this in the "Methylone: Ecstasy for grownups" article,

"This is the argument Bowden made in the ministerial advisory, also suggesting that it lacked the mechanisms to cause addiction or acute hyperthermia, which is the main cause of (very rare)ecstasy deaths.
As part of a trial programme involving "several hundred individuals with a total of only a few thousand doses consumed", Bowden had volunteers take up to 2500mg under supervision (a standard dose is 100-400mg). They became confused but didn't need medical attention. He points out in the ministerial advisory that a comparable dose of MDMA would have been fatal."

2500mg, wouldn't want to try that. Makes SWIM feel a little bit safer when he redoses. SWIM is gonna cut back still but perhaps he'll stick to rectal administration as it's like having twice as much! Only reason not to would be if it wouldn't work consistently.

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"He starts to do things and then forgets to finish. He might end up just staring into space for a long time. He also notes that he doesn't like much sound intensity, unlike with MDMA."

When SWIM enters the speedy phase he needs complete silence.
During the initial rush of euphoria SWIM can't concentrate that well on one thing or keep a proper train of thought. SWIM sort of likes this actually because he enjoys resuming what he forgot he was doing 2 seconds earlier, weird but whatever works.

After the euphoria rush its all do this do that bingo bango bongo.

"M1 can produce very erotic feelings, whilst making orgasm very difficult to reach."

Indeed so, orgasm can be unreachable for hours but some would almost consider this a perk, AS LONG AS swiy isnt stuck with his hand rather than a female on the same level. Then it'd be valuable to get some sort of masturbation device (seriously, a fleshlight or someething)
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Old 29-09-2006, 09:39
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Methylone experiences

Trip Report #1

Note -- this is the strangest methylone experience SWIM is aware of... he can hardly believe it himself. Some of these posts taken from others in different threads, some were posted directly to this thread.

SWIM finally took what *should be* more than a threshold dose of methylone, around 70-90mg rectally (had to guess at it by dividing up what he received into piles). At T+3 minutes or so, there's not much of an effect yet. SWIM will update shortly.

P.S. if there's any chance of 'leakage' when removing a rectal syringe, 2ml of water may be a bit on the low side... 3-4ml might be better, in case a small spill occurs . These amounts are all very small... anything up to 10ml is a relatively small amount of water that'll likely produce no urge to sit on the can.

T+5 minutes... no thunderbolt effects like Alfa suggested might occur... hmm. There does seem to be a euphoric, elated feeling creeping up on SWIM at this point.

T+8 minutes... the full effect *did* hit suddenly. Mild mind-altering or "psychedelic" component (SWIM was told there was no such thing with methylone, but there clearly is).

T+10 minutes... effects continue to increase. SWIM is definitely wishing for more 'body high' and less cognitive distortion (sorry guys, that's just the way he is -- if he wants 'spirituality', he'll do meditation while clean as a whistle). There's an annoying head-fogging factor with this stuff, SWIM cannot think clearly on it.

T+15 minutes... effects seem to have stabilized. Nice euphoria, mediocre head-space. SWIM is sticking to straight stimulants in the future, or else he'll go for MDA/MDMA and get the full experience rather than this "sorta/kinda" business. Bleh. Oh well, maybe the effects will grow on SWIM at some point, it's not uncommon that he "misses the point" the first time he tries something. It doesn't seem to hit dopamine much, cuz SWIM finds sexual activity uninteresting (so far anyway). It actually feels something like a large dose of an SSRI antidepressant to SWIM... the euphoria feels like it's serotonin-mediated. He's been feeling uncomfortably warm and his temp measured up about 0.5 of a degree. Other than that + mild background euphoria (considerably weaker than a good dose of kratom) and a little fuzzy-headedness, there's nothing else happening. SWIM concedes that many substances have grown on him over time; however, at this point he's debating whether to even finish his current supply, let alone ever buy any of this stuff again. Frankly, this is sucking. People who really like this stuff ought to try Paxil or Zoloft .

T+1.5 hours... SWIM redosed with another 75mg or so via the rectal route. Now this is more like it... euphoria went from mild to moderate, and it's starting to resemble a high instead of a buzz. Judgment withheld... final decision about liking/disliking is still up in the air, but this is definitely better. Still has that yucky head-fogging effect though. SWIM hopes his verbal diarrhea on drugs-forum is not annoying anyone too much.

T+5.5 hours... SWIM redosed again (~225 mg total now) rectally. This stuff is getting fiendish, and is obviously hitting SWIM's dopamine receptors hard. Sexual experience greatly enhanced, although performance is hurting. Feels like an amphetamine now (crossed with coke?), little or no MDMA-like effects. Suspected slow absorption + greater bioavailability of rectal administration = similar effects to an equal size oral dose, except much longer lasting.

T+?... somewhere in there, SWIM redosed rectally. Constant, intense euphoria + (over)stimulation. Slight head fog, but gorgeous/diamond-hard focus and concentration. SWIM loves this stuff. The usual harm reduction regimen for stimulant runs started (in a nutshell -- high protein/sugar food, vitamins, minerals, ginkgo biloba, 1/2 aspirin tablet, constant fluids, near zero exertion, watch heart & body temp, benzos on hot-standby).

T+12 hours (hard to believe, wouldn't except for time stamps of the original posts)... effects definitely wearing off. It makes no sense how long they lasted, except that rectal administration must have increased bioavailability while greatly slowing absorption. This seems very likely (at least under certain conditions), as only a small portion of the intestine is involved. No explanation why others haven't noted it, however. SWIM is tired and has a Dr's appt. in 12 hours, but can't bear the idea of losing the euphoria right now (and won't be able to sleep worth jack tonight anyway). Redosed ~40mg rectally... what the hell.

SWIM will probably use up all his methylone, making this a "roll" involving 400-450 mg (all administered rectally) over 16+ hours. Someone stated in another thread that some people do a gram at a time, so this isn't too insane of SWIM. He hopes. Certainly not unusual for him when he likes a stimulant (record for him was ~7 days straight smoking cocaine, around 1992). As long as the effects are still positive and no serious physical or mental issues crop up, no big deal. Getting to/from that appointment tomorrow will be hell though. He'll probably call a d*mn cab rather than bother with public transportation, at least to get there.

A bit more to come, probably. It's been a *really* interesting/enjoyable experience, albeit an expensive one. To SWIM, this is what substance use is all about (except he should have done this about a week in the future to give his body more recovery time from something else, & get that friggin' appointment out of the way).

T+12 hours 50 min... not much effect from the last redose, other than a bit of feeling unpleasantly warm again. Cardiovascular side effects still relatively minor, but increasingly annoying when observed. Muscle tiredness (neck & back mostly) is obvious. Methylone almost gone. One way or another this party is at its tail end, altho the last of the stuff should bring blood levels up enough for a final boost. Possibly a long lasting one (?). More high protein/sugar intake (straight-up deli lunch meat washed down with regular Pepsi). SWIM is praying (or would be, if he were religious) that the crash from a longer methylone roll isn't too bad.

T+13 hours... washing down dry instant cocoa mix with Pepsi is always fun . Some glucose tablets would be nice to have around right about now.

T+13 hours, 10 minutes... SWIM now regrets not stopping at T+12 (despite the fact that he would have been left with a less than optimal amount of methylone). Neurotransmitters are pretty much baked off at this point, altho a second wind is always possible. SWIM will have to get away from the computer & do something else for awhile pretty soon, as concentration is fast being replaced by a dazed/zonked feeling. Dosed last of the methylone (rectal admin). This last 01:10 was not a very good idea. Oh well.

T+13 hours, 15 minutes... Team "you asked for it... you got it" is starting to provide a second wind (just in time too). All the sugary & high protein food probably helped. Still would have been better to quit earlier. Oh well.

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Credit where credit is due - you put a lot of work into that post!
good experiment
what an incredible report. tu
thanks for sharing the experience
Great post!
Excellent post, informative, entertaining. Well done. Except FYI Coke kicks Pepsi's ass.

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T+?... somewhere in there, SWIM redosed rectally. Constant, intense euphoria + (over)stimulation. Slight head fog, but gorgeous/diamond-hard focus and concentration. SWIM loves this stuff.
SWIM read the first account of this when it was only t+15ish and thought it was a bit odd as he was sure SWIY would love this stuff (judging by member introduction). Anyways, on to the ?;
Intense euphoria at this stage? SWIM really needs to try liquid rectal administration. This must be the longest +t account of euphoria swim has seen documented, this after weeks of investigations. Then again, this is the first account of continued rectal administration in this fashion that SWIM has read as well. Obviously it also comes down to the individual but swim has a feeling that swiy might be similar to himself in preferences.

Methylone is certainly great for some people while others aren't really in tune with it. It's almost a drug of two faces where you need to at least tolerate the second face, but if you like it then bam..

Anyways, SWIM fears that the availability of this substance might change as laws become definite. This is a great shame as it is as satisfactory of a night to swim (if not even moreso) as ecstasy/coke while feeling nowhere near as toxic and draining.

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SWIM read the first account of this when it was only t+15ish and thought it was a bit odd as he was sure SWIY would love this stuff (judging by member introduction). Anyways, on to the ?;
Intense euphoria at this stage? SWIM really needs to try liquid rectal administration. This must be the longest +t account of euphoria swim has seen documented, this after weeks of investigations. Then again, this is the first account of continued rectal administration in this fashion that SWIM has read as well.
That honestly has to explain it, because there's nothing else that even remotely does (except the total amount taken is on the high side too). SWIM is gonna research absorption rates of rectal vs. oral intake (minus first-pass metabolism issues). It's got to be a lot slower, although why nobody else ever noted prolonged effects via rectal admin is something of a mystery.
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Obviously it also comes down to the individual but swim has a feeling that swiy might be similar to himself in preferences.

Methylone is certainly great for some people while others aren't really in tune with it. It's almost a drug of two faces where you need to at least tolerate the second face, but if you like it then bam..
It turns out SWIM really prefers the speedier/dopamine related face, but that's no surprise given his recent substance-related preferences.
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Anyways, SWIM fears that the availability of this substance might change as laws become definite. This is a great shame as it is as satisfactory of a night to swim (if not even moreso) as ecstasy/coke while feeling nowhere near as toxic and draining.
Definitely not as toxic/draining, although SWIM wishes he were more caught up on his sleep & had rested his heart another week or so before this. Schedule 1 would be a shame indeed (altho it would probably save SWIM a lot of money in the long term ). Kratom will probably go the same route, which is even more of a shame, given its utility as (A) a great comedown aid for almost everything, and (B) aid in kicking opiate dependence.
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That final ~90mg was a big mistake... SWIM has entered the dreaded 'too burned out to stay awake, too amped up to sleep' state. He's keeping it under control, barely. He's got some Lyrica (pregabalin) tablets and they definitely help... for some reason, klonopin doesn't. SWIM tried lying in a darkened room but started freaking out... he's better (not by that much tho) staying out of bed and distracted.

The sh*t will wear off soon, thankfully. Pushing the limits is never a good idea. SWIM has learned a lesson from this.

Edit (compare post time with edit time) -- tactile sensations reflecting start of comedown noted. SWIM has never looked forward to anything more than getting off this sh*t, not even winning the $million lottery prize. It's definitely worse than coke when overdone (i.e. too much for too long)... SWIM can roll on coke for ages, but methylone seems to either drastically deplete neurotransmitters or just releases too much dopamine... not sure which. There's apparently a limit that can produce a really ugly head/body space if breached.

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T+18 hours... SWIM is still too amped and unable to sleep, but read this is a common side effect from methylone... i.e. can't sleep for quite a long time afterward, at least without sedatives. Benzos didn't do it, but Ambien probably would. SWIM is clean out, but is gonna try & acquire more soon. He's still regretting doing silly-high doses/redoses for a long period of time. That was just dumb, not to mention potentially risky. SWIM is coming out of this experience with a much greater respect for methylone (& stimulants in general). If necessary he'll get his heart checked to rule out permanent damage.

T+18:15... SWIM is getting intense sexual feelings again... god sake! Five hours since the last re-dose. This is very strange, and doesn't compare well with everyone else's experiences. Everyone else complains about it being too short, SWIM complains it's too long. Why doesn't this stuff wear off?

SWIM is now suspecting one of his prescription meds interferes with the liver enzymes responsible for metabolizing methylone, resulting in slow elimination from the body.

He may try going to his Dr's appointment (bus ride in 5 hours or so), but if there's a hard/heavy crash during the trip things could get extremely bizarre and unpleasant. Prescription refills are badly needed tho.

T+20 hours... Effects on gentle downslope. Hints of sweet drowsiness on the horizon. Looks like this is creeping downward instead of hard crash... good. SWIM might be able to make his appointment, pick up a few groceries, then come home and SLEEP.

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SWIM is physically and mentally exhausted (completely drained) but has to keep this doctor's appointment... he did call a cab to get there & back. Except he can hardly stand up at all.
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What a perfect time to have a doctor's appointment! Maybe SWIM can convince the doctor he needs some uppers due to his inexplicable exhausted mental state! Then SWIM can call back tomorrow and ask the doctor for some downers 'cause he can't sleep. And then...
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Heheh... SWIM *did* get a bottle of 30 Ambien tabs. Very helpful stuff.

Aftermath: SWIM knew he would pay the price for such a high-dose, intense, prolonged experience (special thanks to Nagognog2 & others who suggested rectal administration... nicely hardcore). The first 3/4 of the experience was utterly incredible (one of the best sky-highs ever for SWIM), the last 1/4 was completely unnecessary and resulted in a bad head space and unpleasant body load. SWIM needs to learn when to stop.

The comedown itself wasn't bad, but once SWIM was "down" things were really horrendous. Even a mouse can stand up without problems, so SWIM had less than the energy level of a mouse at certain times. It was hard to stand and hard to walk. Muscle aches/pains, twitching, headache, tinnitus, strange heartbeats, a feeling like full-body trembling, drifting into half-sleep after 10 sec of sitting down... the list goes on. Definitive case of crash & burn. SWIM would normally have slept through it, but the doctor's appointment was absolutely necessary. He did end up taking a taxicab to & from the appt. Cab driver on the way back was interesting, guy from India and well versed in certain Indian spirituality (Osho/Rajneesh in particular). Really cheered SWIM up and reminded him that "inner peace" is really where it's at in the long run.

P.S. he's waiting on an Ambien to kick in and grab some well deserved rest. Can you believe he was fiending for some Benzedrex an hour or two ago (altho he didn't use it)? Stimulants can really get their claws in sometimes.

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wow, 20+ hours?
swim didn't experience much difficulty getting to sleep but that's probably due to swims smaller redoses. swiys redoses are all full considering the chosen route. Seems like redosing that many times with full doses is way over the line.

"400-450 mg (all administered rectally)"
Rectal seems 2.5-3x+ stronger than oral then this definitely seems like one redose too many. Perhaps 300mg (administered rectally) more or less in a roll would be perfect then. Then there'd be 3 rolls in 1g with 100mg to spill which is very good costwise.

swim understands the prolonged euphoria a little bit better now though realizing the full boosters.

Personally SWIM finds one of the traits with m1 is the lack of bad come downs(crashing)/hangovers. So a set course for a roll that doesn't cause a crash. Preperation also seems important as swiy mentioned one shouldn't be coming off some other things and be in a 100% state prior to going on a ride so that you can last for perhaps a more desirable 8 hours rather than 18
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wow, 20+ hours?
Yes, with the caveat that it should have ended around 12. SWIM tells me the last 8 or so were just no fun at all.
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The last two were the killers. SWIM did a partial at 12 hrs, then when that didn't work he did another partial. That didn't work either, and actually made things worse.
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Yep, SWIM would say 8 to 12. 20 was definitely way over the line and involved both a waste of money and unnecessary suffering. It was just that "it feels so good, you don't want it to end" thing... but SWIM knows better now.

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SWIM found this, which very likely explains the length of his methylone trip (whew, he wasn't imagining it ):

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/100/1/143

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The most important concern for the practitioner is irregular uptake; clinically important patient-to-patient variability exists. The absorption of the drug may be delayed or prolonged, or uptake may be almost as rapid as if an intravenous bolus were administered, which may cause adverse cardiovascular or central nervous system effects. One reported death after rectal administration of multiple doses of morphine underscores the importance of being aware of this factor.154

The rate of rectal transmucosal absorption is affected by the following factors:

Formulation (time to liquefaction of suppositories)
Volume of liquid
Concentration of drug
Length of rectal catheter (site of drug delivery)
Presence of stool in the rectal vault
pH of the rectal contents
Rectal retention of drug(s) administered
Differences in venous drainage within the rectosigmoid region
There's further explanation of the reasons for variability with rectal administration at the link given above... it's rather fascinating, actually.

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Haha, rectal administration is like a box of chocolates.
Of course eating less chocolates should still work. Suppose it will be a surprise each time if it differentiates like that.
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SWIM forgot to mention that he didn't experience any difficulty falling asleep as many others have. Of course there was that moment when he woke up in intense confusion. Maybe he didn't sleep at all but just slipped off the radar.
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