IV MDA experience report

[Fantasian]

SWIF heard that a single injection of pill binders causes perminant damage to ones veins that it irreparable.

[primal440]

OK so here's an update, inspired by the subsequent advices given in this thread SWIM decided to partake in another experiment, he passed me this to put:

"After considering that because of the sheer intensity of the effects gotten from 75 mgs and along that, some undesireable side effects as well; this gave a considerable amount of reason to not think of doing this compound so often (also because of the magic of an ocassion like this, IVing MDA, pure magic)... I decided to test if I could minimize the intense side effects: jaw clenching, amphetamine nervousness and the burned out feeling on the brain.

This time I chose to take 30 mgs of MDA, again with all the correct safety procedures one should do before injecting and proceeded to put the needle in my veins. I was expecting an intense experience this time too but I was merely hit like if I had taken some quantity little less than 100 mg orally, not threshold but certainly not too intense, there was also a rush but not at all spectacular like what you get with 75 mgs, it was mostly a big first wave of MDxx inebriation with a marked and relaxed euphoria. This big wave felt just like when you're coming up orally but shorter and a little bit more speedy, like you're lying down but change position frequently, instead of the usual glueing to the ground I feel with the oral dose. This inebration kept on going for like 35 minutes along with the main euphoria, and I was left with the same effects I got from the 75, like if I had taken some form of very clean amphetamine high, very lucid but also restless, I would say this was the closest to the ideal amph. high ive gotten but the jaw clenching fucks it up, at this dose I could think more clearly and it was of much better use for introspection and problem solving, I left out very satisfied because of this and still have an afterglow albeit this was because of my intellectual/emotional reactions.

Cannabis didnt help and didnt feel it much anyways, except for a slight change in thought process. After the MDA high subsided jaw clenching appeared along with most side-effects (except for the fried serotonin depletion in the brain-feeling); they were slightly less intense than what was experienced in the past experiment but also wore off a bit more quickly. So I would say that with MDA the relation between unwanted side-effects and dose is not really significant and I would rather take a bigger dose if thats the case. This time I also needed help from Diazepam to get more relaxed and eventually fall asleep, I took 30 mgs. Before I dosed off the chill of the Diazepam along with the Cannabis left overs and the amphetamine after effects made a very enjoyable buzz and time, nice for giving thoughts on the experience and thinks you care. Along with the introspective quality at this dose, I found that it was also a very effective aphrodisiac, like an hour after injection sex started and I had very little problems getting it up and I could goon forever.

If there is a next time, I think 50 mgs would be closer to an ideal spot. One last thing, the day after I feel happy and clear, I took tramadol and it feels as if I had taken 60 mgs when I actually took 200 mgs; with 100 mgs im normally nodding off. This tells that there was still some serotonin activity after dosing but not so much to completely feel in a Nirvana, actually, when I took the 75 mgs, the day after I also took some Tramadol to see what would happen, that time I didn't get any effects at all.

I will hopefully experiment in the not-so-near future again, this time with 50 mgs and report. Hopefully this would serve as a guideline for anyone interested in administering MDA via IV injection. Overall this was a disappointing experience as I was expecting much more intensity, but I also found some very positive aspects which couldnt be gotten with a higher amount of material because of the overwhelming sensations."

Reputation Comments on this post:

Very insightful, careful thougts about dosage, most interesting. Thanks for a great report

[Fantasian]

Another great report... Keep em coming

[primal440]

Thanks a lot Fantasian, I and SWIM really appreciate comments like this, makes him much more spirited to contribute worthy stuff to the community...

About what you were saying of shooting pills, this certainly has many risks involved but I doubt it would cause irreparable vein damage, think of people shooting extremely cut coke or heroin, the shit they must put in there must be equally or even more dangerous but I wouldnt know anyways. What I do know is that unless you're seriously an unhealthy person, the human body has amazing regenerative abilities.... I think that unless you make a habit of shooting pills, the body will heal itself if you give it time to recuperate.
Nevertheless, nor SWIM or myself would even consider shooting a pill EVER. What you say may also be true but empirical evidence (by that I mean from what I've read over here, from D-F members) shows that people shooting pills, if not done more than a few times spaced, have not had long lasting problems with injecting binders. Then again, people who get their arms cut off would have a hard time typing any advice for a forum, let alone reviving their misery...

[radiometer]

SWI put his trust on his dealer

Unless SWIYs dealer is Sigma Aldritch and Co., well...I think his trust is heartwarming but not very wisely placed. Does said dealer have access to analytic equipment such as GC_MS? Does he provide a COA? How could SWIM possibly know in whose hands the material might been before said dealer got ahold of it? A drug dealer, trusted or otherwise, is the last person whom SWIM would trust with his life.

[primal440]

Just an update to make a conclusion out of this so called experiment:

SWIM did this one more time, with another person. After the last attempts, and after asking for some suggestions around, it was decided that the best dose,- the one that would have the most positive effects and not exceeding the negatives-, would be at the range of 40-50 mgs. SWIM did 50 mg as he was alreayd experienced and always has needed a bit more with MDxx's, the other person X did 45 mgs. It was X's first time and he said it had been awesome, like described by SWIM but with peripheral effects less pronounced, probably the same one would get with oral ingestion (except during the onset and peak, but at that point you aren't yet annoyed). X's experience was blissful and he said he would try it again for sure, but wouldn't overdo it, not so much for fear of addiction but rathr because it would quickly lose its novelty and point.

SWIM doesn't know when he's gonna do another try if he ever does, but from his experience he would settle with 45-50 mgs. This is agreed by other people too, including a member of this forum with experience. I hope this helps as somekind of guidance for anyone interested in doing MDA IV. Remember that SWIM is not a doctor, so he doesn't guarantee anything, being an amateur bioessayist of some kind, but unless one is part of that very small minority greatly and dangeorusly affected by MDxx or under some bad interacting medication, these amounts are probably safe for checking in - remember the fatal dose for MDA IV is 500 mgs. The same would apply with MDMA but with a small tweak on the amounts (45-55/60 depending on tolerance).

SWIM is a male, 21, weighs around 63 kgs and height is 1.72. He normally recquires a bit more of the amount normally needed by a regular person, especially with opiates and most serotonergic drugs (except for Tramadol) as well as DXM. Overall he's only a little less affected by drugs than most, but 100 mgs of oral MDA suits him fine. He spaces out his intakes of this family of compounds.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Intersting report.

[namooP]

And is SwiMs friend X about the same weight?

[enquirewithin]

These are intersting reports but I can't thinking, "Why IV this material?" It would seem that you would get all the positive effects from oral administration.

[primal440]

namooP: weighs around the same, maybe a little more but skinnier. Height about 3 cms taller.

enquire: IV'ing MDA was more of a personal choice really for SWIM, so it would be complex to explain. But yes, you're right, you do get all the positive effects from oral administration, and that method proves more suitable for the things MDA/MDMA are usually used for, wether be it to go do some soul-searching, therapeutic rituals or go out dancing. IV is so brief it won't allow you to take advantage of the desired effects, but on the other hand its the most hedonistic form of ingestion SWIM knows, the pleasure you get is unlike any other and putting aside hedonism (or any kind of ecstatic effect you're seeking from the drug), with IV you can also take advantage of the empathogenic and loss of daily life filters MDA provides, although with less time to expand. IV MDA/MDMA has been used in therapy.

SWIM hasn't tried plugging yet, and is not planning to do it soon (was fed up enough pills up the ass when a kid), but it looks like the anal route would be the perfect middle ground to balance oral with IV, getting the best of both worlds. Sounds like a conversation in a sex shop...

[Fantasian]

Primal: I know SWIY's source was good etc but did SWIY have any nasty physical effects post usage? Like damage to veins etc?

[primal440]

SWIM's veins have had harder times dealing with pharm-grade medicines... Obviously that would be because of the drug's effects per se, but the point is that it was determined to be safe to inject that batch of MDA, at least for extremely sporadical use. After injecting SWIM perceived no ill effects on the vein whatsoever, in fact he didn't feel a thing even from the sting. SWIM would say it felt cleaner than most stuff he has put in them.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by primal440

SWIM's veins have had harder times dealing with pharm-grade medicines... Obviously that would be because of the drug's effects per se, but the point is that it was determined to be safe to inject that batch of MDA, at least for extremely sporadical use. After injecting SWIM perceived no ill effects on the vein whatsoever, in fact he didn't feel a thing even from the sting. SWIM would say it felt cleaner than most stuff he has put in them.

Most interesting, thanks for the information once again greatly appreciated.

[Peace Frog]

SWIM is fascinated by all of these experiences. He plans to write down a few of his own experiences with MDxx.

Thanks for writing these down primal, they made for a really interesting read.

[Fantasian]

SWIF is planning on trying a similar experiment to the above however will be using the MDMA compound rather than MDA. Will report in due time.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

SWIF is planning on trying a similar experiment to the above however will be using the MDMA compound rather than MDA. Will report in due time.

Looking forward to this one...

[poweruser]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

SWIF is planning on trying a similar experiment to the above however will be using the MDMA compound rather than MDA. Will report in due time.

That should be quite an interesting read. "Be Careful," SWIM says to SWIY

[primal440]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

SWIF is planning on trying a similar experiment to the above however will be using the MDMA compound rather than MDA. Will report in due time.

Well this guy has been experimenting lately with MDMA, in the same context and frame of his MDA's experiences. He should be reporting in a few days his conclusions as he needs to know a little better the full potential effects via I.V. injection (has been carefully titrating the proper dose). By the time being he says it's pretty similar in the way it enhances its effects as the MDA IV high, but that the peripheral effects are less marked as well as the rush itself. It's mostly analogous to the way these two compounds differ from each other (tactile, emotionallly charged appreciation and 'smacky' vs. mind, dettached emotional appreciation, speedy), by the oral intake of the chemicals and likely all the other methods as well. Apparently, the fried brain sensation is more marked with MDMA as well, it makes sense to him as he feels the serotonin rush much more present in MDMA than with MDA (this is subjective of course but it can be backed up that MDMA has more impact in the release of serotonin than its older brother).

[chinpokomaster]

Originally Posted by primal440

Well this guy has been experimenting lately with MDMA, in the same context and frame of his MDA's experiences. He should be reporting in a few days his conclusions as he needs to know a little better the full potential effects via I.V. injection (has been carefully titrating the proper dose). By the time being he says it's pretty similar in the way it enhances its effects as the MDA IV high, but that the peripheral effects are less marked as well as the rush itself. It's mostly analogous to the way these two compounds differ from each other (tactile, emotionallly charged appreciation and 'smacky' vs. mind, dettached emotional appreciation, speedy), by the oral intake of the chemicals and likely all the other methods as well. Apparently, the fried brain sensation is more marked with MDMA as well, it makes sense to him as he feels the serotonin rush much more present in MDMA than with MDA (this is subjective of course but it can be backed up that MDMA has more impact in the release of serotonin than its older brother).

Did SWIP ever repeat the experiment using MDMA? If so, how did the dosage compare to a 130mg oral dose? Does MDMA required heat or acidification in order to dissolve in water?

[naatural]

Sorry to bring back a silly question, but the "missing part of brain" sensation, is it anything like the intense tingling you get in the back of your head?

[primal440]

Describe that feeling if you can please... My first guess would be yes though, but it is all so subjective. I relate that sensation I describe with what you feel after the peak effect has worn off and you're inspired to say something akin to 'I think my brain is fried'... When you feel you have exhausted your synapses and the brain feels numb to the point of inexistence in certain regions of the brain.

[naatural]

What I was thinking about happens (at least in SWIM's case) towards the end of the come up, although sometimes towards the end of the peak too actually. It's very hard to describe, but it would definitely be felt at a very localised point at the back of the head, not painful but the first time it hapened SWIM got very nervous as he thought it was the result of an overdose and indeed thought his brain was fried. Sorry if that description is still too vague :/

[primal440]

Then yeah, that's exactly what I was referring too. Not vague at all actually (your description I mean)...

[radiometer]

Personally if i were hypothetically looking for a "rush" I'd pick a less toxic amine than MDA (or MDMA for that matter). I've already addressed issues of purity above. MDMA and MDA are both water-soluble. Micron filtering of the solution would be necessary. Also washing the crystals to eliminate impurities, unless the material was truly known to be as pure as possible.

If I were set on doing this (which I am most assuredly not), I would start really conservatively, say a dose of 20-30mg or so? Then (patience now!), unless absolutely nothing had occurred, I'd wait at least 2 weeks before trying an increased dose, etc.

There is just so little data out there on IV administration of these compounds. Which fact, given the length of time they've been around, may itself contain food for thought...

[chinpokomaster]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Personally if i were hypothetically looking for a "rush" I'd pick a less toxic amine than MDA (or MDMA for that matter). I've already addressed issues of purity above. MDMA and MDA are both water-soluble. Micron filtering of the solution would be necessary. Also washing the crystals to eliminate impurities, unless the material was truly known to be as pure as possible.

If I were set on doing this (which I am most assuredly not), I would start really conservatively, say a dose of 20-30mg or so? Then (patience now!), unless absolutely nothing had occurred, I'd wait at least 2 weeks before trying an increased dose, etc.

There is just so little data out there on IV administration of these compounds. Which fact, given the length of time they've been around, may itself contain food for thought...

It kinda sucks that Pihkal doesn't contain any reference to IV MDMA administration but I suppose Shulgin was trying to lead by example. Still, with his position of authority on the chemical it would be irresponsible of him to publish something which he thought may be dangerous in the longterm, even if a single IV hit of MDMA for the purposes of experience didn't do much damage.

Still interested to know what happened to primal, though.