IV MDA experience report

[primal440]

hello, recently I posted a question about shooting MDA out of SWIM's curiosity. After reading all replies and meditating deeply about if going ahead or not, SWIM finally did it. What is written here after my intro is from SWIM who asked me to put it, so the report is written in first person naturally, I put this to avoid confusion, here goes...

SWIM'S words:

"I don't write trip reports nor do I like to read them in excess, I find they dull the actual experience with my own self, especially when trying new compounds, and that the deepest parts of a trip, that are so personal, can't be normally put into words so the best is mostly always missing. I'm writing this because Ive only found one other report on this route of administration which was educating and I think this will help anyone who is as curious about it as myself. All time is approximate since I couldn't care less about checking the clock and writing in a notepad, I prefer to focus on the experience itself, if not, it would become a story of a story of a story, blabla, enough bullshit.

- Pure MDA crystals; 65-70 mg aprox.
- Environment: My room
- Intravenous Injection

After contemplating the idea and preparing all day, at 12:00 AM I had prepared my insuline syringe with the MDA, I put on a "happy" CD which would clock in sync with the experience I expected. After doing all which was needed to do a proper IV injection, when putting in the last fifth of the solution I was already feeling the rush.
The first thing I felt was my lungs cleansing, which made sense because of MDA's antiasthmatic properties. Seconds after that, extremele pleasurable tingles in my body where felt, more and more in a very steep curve towards nirvana; I was hit by the biggest feeling of MDxx inebriation I've ever felt, needless to say, I had a huge smile on my face and an euphoria that couldnt be compared to anything else Ive tried or imagined, it was like condensing all the good feelings of an oral hit in heavenly 15-20 minutes. I would say Ive never felt that "happy" my entire life, this was better than I expected, tho I was not looking for happiness, that you get in real life, with other people, but why am I gonna start preaching shit, move on. On a side note, this rush in my opinion makes an opiate rush like heroin or morphine look shallow, ordinary, and numb; for the reptilian brain indeed.

15-20 minutes passed with me enjoying the feelings and thinking whatever thought I could catch from my ultra sped-up mind,trying to sort any problems in my life which at that time seemed obvious. All my senses were amplified to the point I felt myself like a horny animal because of all the smell I was excreting and how good I felt within my body, very erotic but not sexual. This is when I regained more conscience and started checking my room to test my senses, I grabbed a mirror which was very difficult because of the very extreme nystagmus I had, real crazy indeed but managed to check my pupils but instead I was amazed at how much vapour had condensed in the mirror. Thats when I realized my temperature had risen so high, and that those smells where because an explosive release of sweat and other garbage I had in my body; my heart was racing but not so much to worry about and I had the most extreme jaw clenching Ive ever experienced with MDxx compounds. While the positive (both pysical and psychological) effects began to subside, the negatives gained prominence at about 30 mins. Very quickly but smoothly I came down with no depressive symptoms whatsoever and at the 45 mins mark I was relatively "baseline".

While the comedown wasn't harsh at all (but that's never the case with me, Ive never really felt the post-X blues) I was really anxious because of the amphetamine part that kept going after the goodies went off. If I wasn't on my mind during that time and I had put a finger in my mouth, I could have chopped it off, thats how extreme my jaw was at the moment. But the worst side effect of all was that reported by heavy X users, when they notice a part in the back of the brain soraing, almost like it was missing. I first noticed this when the first wave of nirvana was going off and the feeling was most noticeable for 5 minutes after. This feeling eventually subsided to a mild burn-out, similar to what you get after smoking a lot of marijuana; but not the other side effects, so I smoked a joint to try to ease me down with no effect whatsoever, thats how powerful this amphetamine was so then I took 20 mgs of diazepam to ease down the mind and body with mild effects, then another 10, still not what I wanted and finally another 10 so I could be knocked off for good, and I finally got what I wanted (by the way, 40 mgs of diazepam is a lot, which proves again how intense the amphetamine was going on my body).

I wish I could have had more time to meditate on the experience but it was getting too late (the last time I checked it was like 4:20 am) and my body was begging me for a break. If I had done it earlier I would have enjoyed the amphetamine after-effects some more (really smooth compared to other crap flowing around) but whatever, this experience really overcame my expectations and Im happy with what I got. Regardless, I doubt I'd do it again (maybe in 30 years if im still around) because of the intensity of the negative side-effects, especially that o the missing part of the brain which is obviously very dangerous. The next day I had little motivation to do anything but today Im feeling quite normal, then again, you might not respond as good as I did.

Bottom line, I only recommend this experience to the most curious, cautious and knowledgeable of consequences, this kind of "roll" is not for everyone, it can become overwhelming and it did underlined the notion that MDxx compounds are to be taken by stomach or whatever mucous membrane you prefer. This report is really like that found on erowid, but I think that with a "second opinion", whatever person who might be interested in IV'ing MDA may find it valuable to balance the benefits along with the risks. And dont shoot the fucking pills."

to the moderators: I didnt know what to do, if to put this under "XTC experiences" or as an individual thread because of it being so particular. If i did wrong, i apologize and ill see it under the experiences archives. Peace.

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	great trip report
	Brave. Really interesting experience
	good write-up
	Nice

[Nagognog2]

This may get shuffled around later, but it is fine right here for the time being.

Thanks for SWIM's fascinating report!

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by primal440

- Pure MDA crystals; 65-70 mg aprox.

"Approx?"

It might be just SWIM, and if it is, SWIM can live with that (pun intended) but the two words 'approximately' and 'intravenous' should never be found in the same sentence.

If SWIM sounds like a Jewish mom, it's only because she is one....

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exactly teddy bear

[Fantasian]

Awesome experience report, Thanks for sharing it.

[enquirewithin]

Very interesting indeed. Why don't you suggest to SWIM that he send it to Erowid?

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What's wrong with having the report here?

[primal440]

Hello, Im glad to see this report made a positive impact, SWIM is also happy that he could finally contribute with something substantial to this community. Not too long ago SWIM realized the whole point of DF, at a big scale, and thought that since he had learnt so much with the aid of the people here, having his questions well answered and all; that he should make a stand and stop parasiting, and to pay back what he owed, he is now pretty satisfied; besides, writing sometimes helps him rinse his thoughts a little bit more. I and I and SWIM hope to keep on contributing and help this community to grow even further.

Im gonna tell SWIM to send the report to Erowid, Im pretty sure he will agree but his literary ambitions that rose up after rechecking his report are probably gonna delay this a bit. As for myself, I need to take a break and tell SWIM to stop being so fucking lazy and start doing things by himself.

To SWIBadness: not all scales are entirely trustworthy, but enough to not mistake 65-70 mgs. with 500.

[London_Bloke]

Just SWIM being a worry-wart!

[primal440]

edited because it was silly:

thanks for being a worry-wart any way, you cant go thru life without motherly advice...

[KomodoMK]

I don't quite get the part about the 'when they notice a part in the back of the brain soraing, almost like it was missing', could you please elaborate on that a little more.

Other than that, great report. SWIM would be one of those who would be curious enough to try, but SWIM has always said he would never IV anything.

[primal440]

Sorry for taking so long to reply, its been very busy over here, but I asked SWIM and he told me...

What SWIM meant when he wrote 'when they notice a part in the back of the brain soraing, almost like it was missing' is that sometimes, look it up on Erowid or maybe on the forums, heavy MDxx users or people who indulge in to much X at one sitting report having a sensation of "A dull ache pounds from my head. This isn't a headache or anything, it's like I'm missing part of my brain, it feels soft . I've experienced this feeling before on high doses, but this is ridiculous, I feel like I'm dying, no joke. " (thats taken from the other MDA IV report Ive read on Erowid, which I find sums up pretty well the subjective feeling, although SWIM's wasnt as intense as feeling he was gonna die or to worry too much, but then again, he was already informed, also, his ache was specifically located at the back of his head).

Although most of what I and SWIM have read concerning this has been related mostly to MDMA, the fact that this happens also with MDA (considering that they differ, but also share some pathways of action on the brain) hints that this may be related somehow with the extreme serotonin depletion that happens when taking too much at once or taking repeatedly (or as in this case, a bit too much and too fast). If you take into account the fact that body temp rises high to extremely high, it doesnt really strike very unusual to have some kind of headache either from dehydration or the more-than-usually hot blood circulating thru your body and head. If you've ever slept a night over with those things that heat up your bed in winter you know what I mean.

Well, I think thats enough theorizing for the night, so much for pseudo-science; but I hope you now got that part a bit more clearly- and thanks for the compliments and stay curious! (and safe of course)

[KomodoMK]

Ah, I understand now, thanks for clearing that up. I may check out some reports on erowid too.

[Donmeka]

amazing report. if SWIM wasnt oh so scared of needles LOL

[Nicaine]

Maybe SWIY just took too much. Perhaps 40-50mg would still have most of the positive effects, while cutting back on the negatives?

[old hippie 56]

A simple question Primal, how much water did swim throw on that MDA? Agree with Nicaine, that does seem a bit much.

[Fantasian]

Did SWIY do anything to ensure purity of MDA or just obtain from a trusted dealer?

[primal440]

Hmmm I was gonna write an apology for taking so long but then I noticed the last 4 replies were just a day ago... whats the deal with that sudden revival anyway? I was pretty sure my baby was almost dead.

Nicaine: Yes I agree with you, so does SWIM; but he told me he did it that way because...
1) he had tried before with a lesser dose (45 mg) and nothing but peripheral effects happened, a slight increase in stimulation if anything. This in turn could have happened becuase of two factors SWIM reckons, drug interaction with the SSRI Tramadol (which was of course not taken during that day or the day before but 5 days or so, apparently not enough time to replenish serotonin) and a probable miss-shot halfway through the process (but SWIM told me his arm didnt hurt and no bump appeared on his arm, obvious signs of muscle shooting; still, this option has not been discarded yet for the sake of relativism) which initially started pretty smoothly.
...and 2) because of the aforementioned loss he wanted to go for sure this time and did what the literature he found had confirmed a def. active dose.

This guy wrote he wouldn't repeat this experience again, maybe in 30 years or so, well, I told him about your question and curiosity looped back all over him again, hehe. Be responsible kids!

old hippie: SWIM threw around 0.4-0.5 cc of bidistilled water on the MDA if he recalls correctly.

Fantasian: SWIM put his trust on his dealer, whom he knows very well enough to put his faith on him in his veins and still get a discount!

note: relativism appart, it seems obvious for SWIM now that his initial failure was most likely because of the SSRI, because with his past experiences IV'ing he's learned that even when you somehow fuck up the shot halfway thru, you'll still get some form of rush, even if its not overwhelming; you just feel the change going on inside you because after all, you did put a direct line with the gods. This at least sheds some light on the MDMA-like part of MDA's mechanism.

[Tony Blair]

Originally Posted by BadnessNeeds

It might be just SWIM, and if it is, SWIM can live with that (pun intended) but the two words 'approximately' and 'intravenous' should never be found in the same sentence.

I'll start earlier than that... MDA CRYSTALS??

[primal440]

Estimating an average XTC pill would contain 100 mg give or take, what fraction of that amount would have SWIbetsym'd do? Well, since you never really know how much there is anyway could you please post what amounts has SWIb done IV?
And has her/him redosed after with a pill? I would have thought that with such a great initial rush you would hve deployed most of your serotonin...

SWIM has been considering on trying again this method with less material, and hopefully with your info everything will go ok and another report is gonna be submitted.
And yes you're right, MDA is different than MDMA, some say its slightly more psychedelic, whatever that means. If its because they get visuals, I couldnt tell since SWIM doesnt get them (SWIM is less visual and more tactile almost with every psychedelic), but you do get the feeling of clarity and awe, everything is new and mysterious again, veil torn apart sort of thing---, but this part of the high one would appreciate more if taken orally (with the effects developing more slowly one has more chance to appreciate these subtleties, which you really cant when you're aboard your hyperspeed IV train).

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by primal440

Estimating an average XTC pill would contain 100 mg give or take, what fraction of that amount would have SWIbetsym'd do? Well, since you never really know how much there is anyway could you please post what amounts has SWIb done IV?
And has her/him redosed after with a pill? I would have thought that with such a great initial rush you would hve deployed most of your serotonin...

I really hope your not considering IVing a pill. There are a whole host of dangers associated with this! That i will explain further if you need me to.

A reponse would be appriciated

[primal440]

nonono! Hell Fantasian, I will have to quote my friend at the end of his writing here:

"And dont shoot the fucking pills."

so, well, no. SWIM is sad you should be expecting such reckless behaviour from his part, he's a curious but prudent ape you know. still curious--- like curious george or something... does he get in trouble anyway? I wouldnt know... anyways, to make things clear enough, SWIM knows what he's doing if talking about messing with his veins, just like every curious monkey should.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by primal440

nonono! Hell Fantasian, I will have to quote my friend at the end of his writing here:

"And dont shoot the fucking pills."

so, well, no. SWIM is sad you should be expecting such reckless behaviour from his part, he's a curious but prudent ape you know. still curious--- like curious george or something... does he get in trouble anyway? I wouldnt know...

Good good, just wanted to be sure. SOrry if i seemed patronizing just didnt want your friend blasting shit into his veins.

[primal440]

nah you didn't, and your concern is very much appreciated, as always.

[Dj mOonShiNe]

In SWIM' s younger days swim was stupid enough to shoot a pill (well half of one anyway). The pills were very good 150mg by SWIMs rekoning, so all in all that makes approx 75mg up the arm (along with a whole lot of other crud). SWIM found the experiance very much like the one described by SWIprimal440 (again noteing the dif between MDMA and MDA) and wouldn't recomend it to anyone's pet monkey frendly gnome or pink elefant, plesurable for 30sec (although thouse tingling, almost pins and needle sensation SWIM finds not realy plesurabe) then not so much fun for an hour or so..
when it gets down to it a waste of a good pill.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Dj mOonShiNe

In SWIM' s younger days swim was stupid enough to shoot a pill (well half of one anyway). The pills were very good 150mg by SWIMs rekoning, so all in all that makes approx 75mg up the arm (along with a whole lot of other crud). SWIM found the experiance very much like the one described by SWIprimal440 (again noteing the dif between MDMA and MDA) and wouldn't recomend it to anyone's pet monkey frendly gnome or pink elefant, plesurable for 30sec (although thouse tingling, almost pins and needle sensation SWIM finds not realy plesurabe) then not so much fun for an hour or so..
when it gets down to it a waste of a good pill.

Did SWIY ever suffer from the various problems associated with shooting a pill?

[Dj mOonShiNe]

Luckaley not on that occation, btw which probs is SWIF talking about?
In my pet monkey's late teens there was a lot of pain and discumfort due to shooting heated MS contins (MORF tabs)... always cold filter those little fruits . All the discomfort was temperary thankfully and the monkey still has a full set of veins

SWIM thinks this probably belongs in the "Stupidest things i've done" thread, that SWIM cant find now (i'ts full of great storys bout nutmeg)