Teen charged with killing pal - Mushrooms played a part, say police

[London_Bloke]

Hallucinogenic mushrooms played a role in the Putnam shooting, police say

By BRIDGET MURPHY, The Times-Union

A Putnam County teenager faces a murder charge after authorities said he killed his 17-year-old best friend with a single shotgun blast after the two apparently ate hallucinogenic mushrooms.

Deputies arrested high school senior Charles Wesley Goddard, 16, on a second-degree murder charge Wednesday after an investigation into a Sept. 15 shooting at the victim's home.
It left Edward Justice Finney Nock with injuries to his head, back and shoulder, authorities said. The teen died a day later.
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Deputies arrived at Nock's Hardrow Street home in Satsuma after a 911 caller reported hearing a disturbance involving gunfire. They found Nock on his bed and his friend in the living room. They seized two guns from the residence, which was in disarray, authorities said.
Rescuers took Nock to the hospital by helicopter, and deputies had to use a Taser to stun Goddard after he beat his head on the inside of a police cruiser and tried to kick out its windows.
Authorities arrested Goddard after the medical examiner determined Nock's death was a homicide.
"You've got two lives destroyed totally," Sheriff's Office Maj. Keith Riddick said Thursday, adding that the families of both the victim and suspect were cooperating in the investigation. "... You've got a boy who's got to deal with the fact he killed his best friend."

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nice find. again the fkers are connecting drugs with violence

[Alicia]

Gotta blame something right...

[Paracelsus]

agree with swialicia, they found out about the shrooms and now they're saying Goddard did this because he was high on shrooms.

in the next couple of days: "kids, dont take shrooms or you will become a murderer."

[Alfa]

More articles on this would be welcome to shed some light here. Which Times-Union is this? I can't find this article online.

[Alicia]

swia would find it impossible to kill herself or kill anyone on psilocybian containing mushrooms if thats the ones in question here, but thats just swia . due to how universally peaceful they make her feel towards others and other living things despite the fact when sober she can sometimes be a nasty piece of work..Not sure about the amantis ones thou as she hasn't explored them yet.but she has heard they were used by some cultures before war as they can cause rage full states apparently..

[Creeping Death]

What does a 16 year old kid have a shotgun for anyway?

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

What does a 16 year old kid have a shotgun for anyway?

'for 16 year old shot-gunning of course.. yeh i know its silly, just as silly as this news article. so i thought why not.

[SPWIM]

They're just using it as a scapegoat so they can escape a 1st degree murder charge.

[London_Bloke]

Alfa,

It is from the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville. This event made the first 5 minutes of every television news broadcast in Jacksonville last night. The URL for the most recent story from the T-U is:
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin..._5180665.shtml

Here is one of the local stations and their take on the story:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/9902457/detail.html

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by SPWIM

They're just using it as a scapegoat so they can escape a 1st degree murder charge.

SPWIM,

If you'd read the article, you'd see that the comments linking mushroom use to the murder are being made by the media and law enforcement, not the young man charged in the crime. He is a juvenile and his attorney has his mouth taped shut (as well he should) and he is not being quoted in any way. The young man has been arrested in connection with the incident but has not been formally charged.

So no one is "using" any excuses to "escape" anything yet.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by BadnessNeeds

So no one is "using" any excuses to "escape" anything yet.

But as the media is playing this, it would be the obvious way out to say the mushies made him do it and plea temp insanity. We'll see.

[London_Bloke]

Very true, Alfa... the place where this happened, near Palatka, Florida, is obviously a very small town (about 45 miles south of Jacksonville). You can just imagine the talk flying around a town that size when they brought this kid into the hospital, with taser marks and a bloody head from banging it into the cage of the cop car. Knowing southern cops as I do, my inclination is to say that his head probably had some help from Officer Friendly.

[Trebor]

In Ireland, what cuased the shroom ban was a guy jumping out of a window. Now, Swim loves mushrooms and he never once felt the need to jump out a window. What the press never said was that he [guy who did jump] was drunk. They couldn't blame alchohal becuase that counts for too much revenue for the Irish government. Mushrooms on the other hand, maybe a few grand at most. Just a scape goat. Blame the thing that's smarter and noone will bat an eye.

[Nagognog2]

If an attorney is trying to use the "He was high and crazy so he's not guilty - temporary insanity" excuse, that is the worst lawyer in Florida. It doesn't work for alcohol. Or pot. Or huffing spray-paint.

But there are so many holes in this story that one could drive a tractor-trailer truck through it sideways.

How do we have any knowledge of mushrooms here? Police said "they think" and media reports "they think." Think = Nothing. Who says the kid shot anyone? The parents? Was dad having a casual evening with a case of Billy-Bob Beer? Did dad have any previous calls to police about sonny-boy being a druggie? Did dad have any guns?

Way to early to say what will pan out from this media dog & mushroom show. But if I were handling this case, I'd be demanding all records on the family be turned over immediately. Then work on a change of venue due to the media involvement.

[Nature Boy]

Ah the mushies. Always controversial aren't they? Blamed for so much. Another one for the propaganda machine.

[London_Bloke]

He has been formally charged with second-degree murder.

[El Calico Loco]

Note also that they are just referred to as "hallucinogenic" mushrooms - that doesn't necessarily mean psilocybin. Kids could have been eating fly agaric or something. I could see deliriants leading to violent, erratic behavior in someone who is unstable to begin with (like a hormonal teen).


ECL

[SPWIM]

Originally Posted by BadnessNeeds

SPWIM,

If you'd read the article, you'd see that the comments linking mushroom use to the murder are being made by the media and law enforcement, not the young man charged in the crime. He is a juvenile and his attorney has his mouth taped shut (as well he should) and he is not being quoted in any way. The young man has been arrested in connection with the incident but has not been formally charged.

So no one is "using" any excuses to "escape" anything yet.

Yeah but it's a win-win situation. The boy isn't gonna argue because he'll escape a longer sentence so he allows the media and law to use his case to spread anti-drug propaganda in return. As soon as he says the drugs played no part, the 1st degree charge comes in so there's nothing he can do but sit and watch them lie.

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	so true, and damn you need some good rep.
	Yeah thats bullshit but its the way it goes

[London_Bloke]

SPWIM,

Of course, you are right. I see so many lives ruined and I hate to watch the train wreck - issues obscured in the interest of furthering agendas that have nothing to do with this kid or his (alleged) crime. As Nagognog mentions, I'd really like to see this kid's family history/DFS file. The media and the police are all talking about 'shrooms when they should be talking about gun control. That is the real magic trick here, the misdirection.

To my mind, that is the conversation that half of America is afraid to have.

[London_Bloke]

It would seem that the info about the mushrooms is coming from the victim's mother. This is from today's edition of The Palatka Daily News:

Arrest made in Sept. 15 murder; PCSO: Victim’s mother says youths had been eating hallucinogenic mushrooms
By Wes Wolfe PALATKA -n A 16-year-old Satsuma youth is in a juvenile detention facility in St. Augustine, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of a friend on Sept. 15.
Charles Goddard allegedly shot his friend, 17-year-old Edward Nock of Satsuma, just before 11 p.m. with a 16-gauge shotgun. According to the medical examiner, Dr. Terrance Steiner, Nock died from a single shotgun blast of bird shot that hit his head, back and shoulder.
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office does not have a motive for the killing. However, Nock’s mother told detectives investigating the case that both youths were eating hallucinogenic mushrooms that night. By state law, possession of unaltered hallucinogenic mushrooms is not against the law.
“We don’t have a motive right now,” Maj. Keith Riddick said. “It would be logical to speculate that maybe he had a bad reaction to the mushrooms, but as direct evidence, I can’t say.”
According to information obtained from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s and U.S. Department of Justice’s Web sites, mushroom trips usually encompass hallucinations and feelings of euphoria, along with distortions of colors and sounds, and last about four to six hours. Depending on the person, the mushroom and the amount ingested, some people can have adverse reactions including feeling paranoid and overwhelmed, experiencing stomach pains, diarrhea and nausea.
“Charlie appears to have had the epitome of a ‘bad trip,’” Riddick said. “Is that what caused him to shoot his best friend? The mushrooms may have been part of it, but the fact of it as far as a criminal investigation goes is he shot and killed his friend. It’s just like any other intoxication defense n that’s up to the state to figure out.”
Deputies responded to the scene after receiving a call from Nock’s mother at 11 p.m. and were advised that there was a disturbance and a shot had been fired at the residence in the 100 block of Hardrow Street in Satsuma.
The deputies found Nock with a gunshot wound, lying in his bed, according to a sheriff’s office news release. The release states Goddard was lying on a bay window seat in the living room of the house when the deputies arrived, where he was secured and placed in a patrol car.
Once in the car, he became violent, according to the release, banging his head on the partition and trying to kick out the car windows. One of the deputies attempted to calm him down, but Goddard became violent again and the deputy had to use his Taser, the report says.
Nock was flown to Shands-UF where he passed away Saturday. The deputies took Goddard to Putnam Community Medical Center where he was treated and released to his mother. He was arrested at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday after Circuit Judge Art Nichols issued a juvenile warrant for Goddard’s arrest for second degree murder with a firearm. He is being held at the St. Johns Juvenile Detention Center.
“One of the things that we stress in the law enforcement community is parents need to be involved in their lives,” Riddick said. “Not to say that these parents were not, but parents need to know what their kids are doing, who they’re out with, what’s in their room. And you need to make sure you have your firearms secured, because if these firearms could not have been taken, this may not have happened.”

[Nagognog2]

"...And you need to make sure you have your firearms secured, because if these firearms could not have been taken, this may not have happened.”

Ah ha! I knew it was daddy's gun! Now for daddy!

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Ah ha! I knew it was daddy's gun! Now for daddy!

I couldn't agree with you more.

[D.U.M.B]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

What does a 16 year old kid have a shotgun for anyway?

Because he is taking mushroom and we all know that magic mushroom users like to use shotguns to play with. As well as jump off buildings to try and fly and are just crazy in general [/sarcasm]

[Demonslayer]

I would never consider playing/fiddeling with any of my guns, knives, power tools, motor vehicles or such when tripping, drunk or high. I would not sit around in open 5th story windows or on the roof either in such a condition. Accidents do happen.
Stupidity is the real cause here as in most other drug-related deaths/accidents.

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I agree, well said..

[London_Bloke]

Demonslayer: You know what has me scratching my head here? I agree with you, would never drive impaired, would never suddenly decide to work on the electrical system of my house while tripping, I don't sharpen knives or clean guns (don't have any, but you get the drift). But I'm starting to think that we must be in the minority. There are SO many stories that contradict what our common sense is telling us. The argument must be made that sense is not common. It seems that every day I hear a story and think, "Has anyone submitted that to the Darwin Awards?"

So I am thinking that people who don't drink and drive, people who don't aim shotguns at their friends are not the majority and the rest of us need to learn to duck faster. The only exception I can think of is Nagognog - his skills are pretty sharp already.