Growth hormone

[Grifin]

I read a lot of GH, and all I hawe read was how good is this growth hormon, u feel beter, u slep beter, its almoust youth fountain.But what about side efects, ho this thing work, u get on weight, your body get more water, the bones becom biger...

Anything else about GH?I wanna try him, bt its quite expensiwe about 3765$: )

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Read the rules, no price discussion

[stoneinfocus]

nearly no sides, water retention and pain , maybe because of that (intracranial pressure and at th wrist).Most unlikely or mild when used up to 3IU a day beginning with 1IU/day... but profound and impressive when used like 5-10IU 2on/2off.

First dosing regime up to 3IU is only worth it, when training long time and hard to get over the negative feedback loop with the training stimulus and used in th elong run as efefcts will be felt after week 4-6.IGF-1 levels(somatomedine c )
will remain nearly the same.

Other so with up to 10IU a day... IGF levels will rise subsequently from hour 2 after injection and will remain elevetad for the next 24 hours wit a peak at, if I remeber correctly, 6 hours.
If u have only little HGH swim would go the high-dose regime for swim had great success with it in very short time and kicked ass in some competition.

Swim used 1500iu in 3 years with various dosing regimes.

[painfully_lost]

no sides my ass, just had my tonsuls removed because they over grew and I could not breath well. caused sleep apnea.

work out naturally, your body will last longer.

[Grifin]

Hmm work out naturaly, are u kidinig me...if I start at the begining, I tried with nutrition, I read ewerything, and eat food (carbohydrates with low GI), and a lot of proteins, ad vitamins...nothing I get 5kg of wight but I am not sure if was this muscle

If u wanna know my nutrition 3g proteins/1kg of my bw.
4g CH/1kg of my bw

And when I went sleep, i dont eat Carbohydrates...

SOO since now nothing, now I tried with naposim, this is my second week , I hope I will get 5-10kg of muscle mass...I dont wanna magic solution, but ewerything I try, I always get fat in the side of stomach...ARG

When/if I got 85kg I will take epehdrin, and go to definicion....

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by painfully_lost

no sides my ass, just had my tonsuls removed because they over grew and I could not breath well. caused sleep apnea.

work out naturally, your body will last longer.

So anything that you can bring up that gh was the cause?
i´ve done a lot of reading but never found a thing about it.
How much and how long did swiy use it?
Working out naturally will waste your body earlier, as soon as you´ll
be working out for pro competition and GH is, even if belived not to be, one of the mildest most natural things one could put into his body.

[Grifin]

hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.

[Grifin]

[quote=Grifin]hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.What what is beter NAPOSIM DIANABOL OR testosteron?If I take testosrone, my body will not develop so many testosteron...SO that mean that is more posibilyt, that I will not hawe childrens...

[stoneinfocus]

[quote=Grifin]

Originally Posted by Grifin

hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.What what is beter NAPOSIM DIANABOL OR testosteron?If I take testosrone, my body will not develop so many testosteron...SO that mean that is more posibilyt, that I will not hawe childrens...

it doesn´t matter; -dbol is a Testosterone-derivative and will do all the things Testosterone will do, swiG will replace natural low Testl-evels by adding Hormones like Dbol or Test and increase the bodys ability to absorb protein (total nitrogen).... if you want your body to produce test you have totake HCG or LH or FSH, these will make your body produce your own hormones (no nut-shrinkage )

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Grifin

Anything else about GH?I wanna try him, bt its quite expensiwe about 3765$: )

Beware of putting up pricing of drugs, it's frowned upon and is against the rules.

[stoneinfocus]

High-protein diet is only recommended and useful when on roids at least to swims experience.
Try out Testosterone, keep watching for more realistic gains like 3 kilos of real muscle, that will stay in the long run and be conserved by the consecutiv training-routine you´ve worked out.

That´s a lot and everyone will see! Take into account the fat-loss that´ll come with the training and test, also!

[iw2gf]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

High-protein diet is only recommended and useful when on roids at least to swims experience.
Try out Testosterone, keep watching for more realistic gains like 3 kilos of real muscle, that will stay in the long run and be conserved by the consecutiv training-routine you´ve worked out.

That´s a lot and everyone will see! Take into account the fat-loss that´ll come with the training and test, also!

High protein is mandatory even if you are not juicing.

[painfully_lost]

no, I was off of juice for a while and just using HGH. I had ear infections so I was seeing ear/nose/throat doctor quite often before and after. He said he has never seen anthing like this before, by uvuela and tonsils just grew and negatively effected my breathing. I body build as well, so I am quite sure and so is he that is was HGH.

[stoneinfocus]

U don´t get bigger bones with gh, only when used in very very high doses and for a longtime.
GH speeds up the bone metabolism, like speeding up the remodeling of bone structre according to the actual functional needs (therefore great success in healing fractures with gh).Test and Gh will not make your liver grow unless used in high dose but make the glucose-stores bigger, so you´ll be having more energy to waste.


PSA is always higher when Testosterone is used, but that´s a critcal marker,
and it stil has to be proven that test can really cuase prostata cancer, in fact it´s highly doubtful.

No cases of cancer have been seen worldwide within the use of GH since its invention.

At painfully lost, I wonder if he would blame the gh if he didn´t knew about gh?
If you always had probs within that region, why gh blame it?

how much did swipl use and for how long?

[stoneinfocus]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...77&query_hl=43
Testosterone:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...26&query_hl=21

[stoneinfocus]

You can have children even whe using testosterone, tell your doctor he will treat you with LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone and/or Human Choriongonadotrophin, so you´re testicles will develop many mature sperms.

Test is easier on the liver but has to be injected othe rthan Dianabol.
Dbol acts a little faster but gains made with testosterone seem to be more permanent a combimnation of both mioght work, but then high estradiol-levels might become a problem.

[painfully_lost]

swim knows lots about juice, igf-1, hgh, etc.

Doctor is a close friend of wifey. NO proof, just his and her gut feelings.

swims wifey is in medical industry as well.

swim has been juicing on/off for many years got up to 260lbs 9%bf

no matter what juice anyone uses, know your body will need to do a recovery program to save your gains and get your nads up to speed again.
Your nads go on vacation when you go on the sauce.

have a nice day kiddies. SWIM now deals with joint paint that requires lots of schedule 2 meds.

[bcStoner420]

Check out this link.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Discover-N...ters&id=159249
Also search google yourself. The best way to increase testosterone levels is to make your body make more naturally, not put artificial hormones in it. Any artificial hormones will have adverse side effects and steroids or HGH (human growth hormone) will in turn make your body produce less itself meaning once you stop the "supplements" you will go down to the testosterone levels of a pre-pubecent girl.

Garlic is great; it increases anabolic tesosterone(builds muscle) and reduces catabolic hormones (breaks down muscle). Sorry I can't go into much more detail because I gotta go pretty quick.

On a side note- Drug abuse of almost any kind (including cigarettes) lower testosterone quite a bit (opioids are the worste). Take in lots of calories with at least 30% dietary fat, and lots of carbs. High protein was once thought of as higher the better but some studies show that too much can actually lower your bodys natural testosterone production. Get a sufficient amoutn of protein and youll be fine (150 grams/ day or so). Get regular sleep (at least 7-8 hrs a night) and taking zinc supplements before bed is thought to increase your bodies HGH release during your sleeping period. Intense excersize also increases HGH.

[Grifin]

WERY NICE!IMPRESING REALY!

Hmm what do u think with that:"High protein was once thought of as higher the better but some studies show that too much can actually lower your bodys natural testosterone?"Do you mean, if you are taking too much proteins daily your lewel of testosterone drop?

I am taking about 225g of proteins/per day(at the end of the training I mix that with maltoedextrin) maybe more or less.I though, I would go to doctor to check my testosterone level...But now I am testing NAPOSIM DIANABOL, and since 2 weeks the results are here, they are good but for how long.May I teal you more, I dont eat sugar, neither carbohydrates with high glikochemichal index...but I still get fat near the stomach side.Before trening I make 15-20min of cardio, at the end 10-15min cardio.2-3 days at week I am hawing cardio for 1,5-2 hours...SO, I DONT GET, IT WHY FAT IN MY BODY.

If we are taking about natural producing of testosterone what would you guys told me about Tribestan - Tribulus Terrestris, is it wourth to buy this?
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But I notice, that u writen about cigarets; that they are lowing level of testosteron that's true, I am smoking but only 1 packet/4,5, or 1 week.I dont drink, I am not using any ilegal drugs...I realy must go to the doctor, cause naposime efects is only temporary, I think.

bcstoner420 ur Idea about using testosterone is true, it is logic once you are puting in ur body testosterone, your body start lowing your won testosterone.But what do u think about Naposim, I wanna hear your opininon.It's derivat of testostero as u know...

[bcStoner420]

It's hard to say why you still have fat on your body, its really a funny thing that fat is. Which brings me to another thing-an excess of fat also lowers your testosterone levels, what you described doesn't sound like enough to be a big deal though. DO NOT cut your calories down in attempt to lose weight, it will not work. Cutting your calories down by 15% or more will put your body into starvation mode, halting it's testosterone production making you gain more weight which in turn will lower testosterone even more! Look at aromatase inhibitors because this enzyme is responsible for converting testosterone into estrogen which is the exact opposite of what you want, therefore inhibiting it is what you want to do. Chrysin + piperine is thought to inhibit aromatase along with foods like brocolli cabbage and brussel sprouts. Avena Sativa (oats, also a good source of carbs) binds to SHGB leaving less to bind to testosterone which leaves more bioavailable testosterone in your blood stream. Nettle root extract and Pygeum also do this, plus they also reduce the risk of prostate cancer which is a bonus as well. A sufficient amount of vitamin C will reduce cortisol levels which is good because cortisol reduces testosterone levels. Overtraining can also lower your testosterone SUBSTANTIALLY!
You see there are many many ways to increase your bodies testosterone naturally. Most of what I was just talking about is in this article http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Natura...etes&id=178311
Naposim is still artificial and your testosterone levels will still likely rebound. Steroid users often use chemical aromatose inhibitors when coming off a cycle to keep the rebound to a minimum. There are still side effects though and if you dont keep up your usage your gains will likely only be semi- permanent. In my opinion the best way to do things is still the natural way by boosting your own bodies test. production. With so many ways to do it you can really raise your testosterone quite alot. I have a large belief in the human body itself and its abilities. You cant expect that pumping your body full of artificial hormones is going to benefit it in the longrun regaurdless of what any steroid user will tell you. Even testosterone replacement will only get you to an average level of testosterone if your low in the first place. And on replacement therapy you are having to constantly supply your body.

Think about what your striving for too- do you just want to be huge or do you want to be strong? Although being as big as body builders are they must have substantial strength, true strength trainers are stronger and are not as big as body builders.

[Grifin]

Thank you.

The first mistake I hawe been doing, was runing, I was runing 15-20 min before fitnes,and after at hart beat 95-100beats/min.Now I will start sprinting for 5 min.


If we are talking about foods, I hawe 6-7meals/daly, the last meal doesn't use any carbo hydrates, yust good fats, and proteins.


And talking about strenth, hmm my bench lift is 80kg, my bw is 75kg.

What is zinc suplemenent.And what is Chrysin + piperine.

But still, I was consured about consuming testosterone, this si not the true way to gain muscle weight.

[Micklemouse]

Grifin - please check your inbox (link to Private Messages at top right of page.).

[Grifin]

I did, but that's true I didnt waste my time with reading the rules.Ok now I know, sory.

[painfully_lost]

bcstoner420, that is excellent information. SWIM wishes SWIM would have gone the natural route a long time ago. SWIM is now, but SWIM has to pay the price of a damaged body by years of using the sauce. Steroids are also sch III drugs now, very harsh crime, just for possession.

[Jatelka]

The only thing SWIJ has to add here is re the "Source" of the GH. Is it genetically (re) engineered or cadaveric?

Variant CJD and hepatitis have been transmitted via cadaveric GH and SWIY's really don't want to go there

[Grifin]

Painfuly_lost, did swim consumed GH, or any other steroid?What hapend to his body?what were the side efects?and what do u mean by that Steroids are also sch III drugs now.That laws are only in usa, but how would people know if "dolphin or swim" consumed or the steroids?


Jatelka whats the diference betwen genetically (re) engineered or cadaveric?I am noob about this things...I am wondering what would hapend if "dolphin" try a hormon adrenalin?would be nervous, ful of energy, I am thinking about this hormon for years.

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