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Old 13-11-2013, 04:45
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Synthetic cannabinoids & urine testing

I was currently placed on probation for the first time and I have been clean but for some reason or another I decided to take about four or five hits of some synthetic off a joint. I had been clean prior to using that stuff for months and marijuana as well. This will be my first test and I have ten days til I go test. I have read a whole lot about synthetic on this forum but also notice that the dates of these discussions were from couple years back. I was wondering if they are able to detect it nowdays and if so would the five hits even be a concern. Im not sure what kind it was exactly, might of been serenity or kush. Thanks.
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Old 13-11-2013, 06:23
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

It really depends on which cannabinoid was in the blend you smoked, as to whether it can be tested for at all. I have read that some of the older gen synthetics are being tested for more commonly now.

In my experience it is really uncommon for these substances to be tested for at all. I believe the testing is probably quite expensive and therefore unattractive to employers and government agencies. This is just conjecture, I can't prove this.I took many drug tests during my two year long use of synthetics and never once failed.

I also think that with having ten more days until the test, and the fact that you only used a small amount, you will probably be okay. I can't guarantee it, but if it were me I wouldn't sweat it too much. Without knowing what kind of test they're performing there's not much more info I can give. If it's a standard 5 or 9 panel I would say you have little to worry about. I have heard that probation drug tests can be much more thorough these days, so it is hard to say.

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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Thanks for the info. Yes I am most definitely certain that if I pass I will definitely not be using any drugs. Its so not worth the stress or trouble of playing with freedom. Im told that it will be sent to the lab but not sure how that works. Is there a way to push the jwh chemical or whatknot that they look for out the system faster. Would water help any at all?
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Old 13-11-2013, 17:08
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Drinking water certainly won't hurt anything. Keep in mind though if you drink too much water on the day of the test, it could cause the results to come back diluted. This is often treated the same as a failure by probation officers, because they believe it is a sign that you tried to alter the test results. The only sure fire thing that can get a drug out of your system is time.
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Old 13-11-2013, 17:38
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Synthetic pot isnt illegal... Did they state you could not have RCs as terms of your probation? Clean yourself out with water and exercise a bit in the mean time and youll be fine. If you do test positive explain to your PO that you had a few hits of synthetic pot and you definitely wont be trying again. But 5 hits of synthetic isnt much at all, Ive tested clean on a Monday after a couple hits of real weed on Friday night. THC stores in your fat cells, so exercise or something to get you sweating and it will help you flush it from your system. Water will be amazing for this. Just remember what the poster above me said about drinking too much water on the day of the test.
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

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Synthetic pot isnt illegal.
That depends on where you live and what the 'synthetic pot' actually is.

There is no such thing as 'synthetic pot' what these blends contain are synthetic cannabinoids or other research chemicals and it is very rare these days to fine a country or state where several are not already banned. And even blends sold as 'legal' might in fact contain illegal analogs. And without lab testing the blend it is impossible to know if it contains a legal or illegal RC.

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The OP is not talking about THC, these are synthetic cannabinoids not THC
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Research chemicals are not legal for human consumption period. I doesn't matter if the chemical contained in the blend has been specifically scheduled or not. Without approval from the FDA, possessing or selling synthetic drugs with intent for human consumption is illegal. This is why these chemicals are sold in head shops as herbal incense or bath salts and almost always are labeled "not for human consumption".
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Well I only became concerned and asked the question because I wondered about it after knowing it had been banned for harming many ppl in the united states. It is a controlled substance here in tx. Also as I started to google synthetic I became very concerned and interested. I use to be a extremely large pot smoker, hydroponic grower and just a huge weed fan. I know better than to smoke pot, but this synthetic caught my interest because I read a lot of info on about how it contains chemicals that can be detected nowdays such as jwh-018. But it makes sense how many speak of how the chemicals change to in many blends is why now I understand its said to be hard without knowing what kind of blend I smoked. I have smoked it in the past but gosh after 32 hours of straight research over three days I wouldn't touch that stuff ever. Jwh-078 I believe it is had me concerned because I see how some say it can show up for positive for thc. Its a controversy on that I see, but I rather just avoid drugs til im off and not wanna find out. What I have come to find was how my probation takes the test and what lab they use. I have really good resources, and im taking the time to share because I see how a lot of ppl ask but im sure they don't go that very far to do enough research. Hell after all this research I understand a whole lot about what everyone is talking about. I also understand that panels really don't search for synthetic and that the only way to really search for it is through forensic or GC-MS-screening drug test. And with that there would be a cutoff level, which now I see mine would be very short. Kind of confusing though when ppl say they smoked three months ago and are said to be clean but it still showing up. I just hope im good and I have ten more months to go and im off. Its just worth the wait so anyone on probation I would just say save yourself problems and stay off drugs.
These are a few links I went through when I researched and a lot more falls in, unfortunately I cannot provide all the three days worth of research. Some who are still curious will have to search themselves. I see that this synthetic seems to be different for a lot and just a lot to it. I do hope this helps some ppl in the future and I want to give great thanks to those who responded and gave advice. Your help, time and effort is very greatly appreciated. I just joined this forum and feel very welcomed. Thanks once again. Yes I just been drinking plenty water these past few days. I took the hits on Saturday 10/10/13 at around nine pm. Its been 4 days of cleanness and I have until the 21st to go report and im sure since it will be my first time reporting ill have to give a urine sample. (Point of Collection Testing Procedure Guide KrollScreen Cup) After doing research, I found that the probation office uses KrollScreen Cup for testing. If anyone takes the time to search for that testing and the lab is //
  • Who is the current vendor? Kroll Laboratory Specialist
  • What is the current pricing?
Screen-Laboratory Services $5.45/specimen
GC/MS Confirmation Only $12.95/drug class for all GC/MS testing
Screen and GC/MS Confirmation $8.45/specimen
Screening Cup Only (8 & 9 panel)
for Harris Count to perform internal testing $2.90/8-panel cup
$3.24/9-panel cup
  • What are the estimated usages for Harris County Protective Services for Children and Adults? This information is not available; use the current usage provided on Page 14 of the Request for Proposal (“RFP”) for anticipated usage.
  • For the number of specimens needing lab confirmation daily per location or the percent positive within a drug class (i.e., +Opiate = 2%), see the table and charts on the next pages of the addendum.
Also some useful info that helped me:
  • Does the Department currently utilize THC/Creatinine ratios for determining new use of TCH? No.
  • Does the confirmation process for opiates detect and report the presence of oxycodone? No, not at this time. This will not be a requirement. However, CSCD is interested in obtaining further information on this subject. Vendors are encouraged to submit any further information in its proposal.
    • What is the current drug screening kit being used? KrollScreen® Test One Step Onsite Drug Cup
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Q uestions Answers Synthetic Cannabinoids (Spice, K2, etc.)
Q Our community is in the process of developing legal restrictions for these herbal incense products and synthetic cannabinoids. Which chemicals should be included in formulating legal controls? A The following is a comprehensive list of known synthetic cannabinoid chemicals that reportedly bind to marijuana receptors in the brain; plus language prefacing the chemicals to be restricted: Any material, compound, mixture, or preparation that contains any quantity of the following substances, their salts, homologues, isomers, and salts of isomers, unless specifically excepted, whenever the existence of these salts, homologues, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation: • 1-pentyl-2-methyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole, also known as JWH-007; • (2-Methyl-1-propyl-1H-indol-3-yl)-1- naphthalenylmethanone, also know as JWH-015; • (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole), also known as JWH-018; • 1-hexyl-3-(naphthalen-1-oyl)indole, also known as JWH-019; • naphthalen-1-yl-(1-butylindol-3-yl)methanone, also known as JWH-073; • 4-methoxynaphthalen- 1-yl- (1-pentylindol- 3-yl) methanone, also known as JWH-081; • 4-methoxynaphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentyl-2-methylindol- 3-yl)methanone, also known as JWH-098; • (6aR,10aR)-3-(1,1-Dimethylbutyl)-6a,7,10,10a- tetrahydro -6,6,9-trimethyl-6H-dibenzo[b,d]pyran, also known as JWH-133; • 7-methoxynaphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl) methanone, also known as JWH-164; • (1-(2-morpholin-4-ylethyl)indol-3-yl)-naphthalen- 1-ylmethanone, also known as JWH-200 or WIN 55,225; • (1-pentyl-3-(2-chlorophenylacetyl)indole) or 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)ethanone, also known as JWH-203;
• 4-ethylnaphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl) methanone, also known as JWH-210; • (1-pentyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole) or 2-(2-methoxyphenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl) ethanone, also known as JWH-250; • 1-pentyl-3-(4-chloro-1-naphthoyl)indole, also known as JWH-398; • 2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]- 5-(2-methyloctan- 2-yl)phenol, to include its C6, C8, and C9 homologues; also known as CP 47,497; • (2S,4S,4aS,6R,8aR)-6-(hydroxymethyl)-4- [2-hydroxy-4-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)phenyl]- 1,2,3,4,4a,5,6,7,8,8a-decahydronaphthalen-2-ol, also known as CP 55,244; • 2-[(1R,2R,5R)-5-hydroxy-2-(3-hydroxypropyl) cyclohexyl]-5-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)phenol, also known as CP 55,940; • (6aR,10aR)- 9-(Hydroxymethyl)- 6,6-dimethyl- 3-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)- 6a,7,10,10a-tetrahydrobenzo [c]chromen- 1-ol, also known as HU-210; Note: HU- 210 is currently a Schedule I controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act • (6aS,10aS)-9-(Hydroxymethyl)- 6,6-dimethyl- 3-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)- 6a,7,10,10a-tetrahydrobenzo [c]chromen-1-ol, also known as HU-211 or dexanabinol; • R)-(+)-[2,3-Dihydro-5-methyl-3-(4- morpholinylmethyl)pyrrolo [1,2,3-de)-1, 4-benzoxazin-6-yl]-1-napthalenylmethanone, also known as WIN 55,212-2. Q Do standard drug tests detect the presence of synthetic cannabinoids in urine following the smoking of herbal incense products? A Conventional drug testing methods used by drug courts (either on-site, rapid tests or laboratory-based analyses) will not detect the presence of synthetic cannabinoids in urine. While similar in structure to marijuana, the synthetic cannabinoids are currently not detected by standard cannabinoid testing methods.
Q Are there any specialized testing methods available for the detection of synthetic cannabinoids in urine? A There are currently no on-site screening devices (instant tests) for the detection of synthetic cannabinoids. At the present time, there are also no “immunoassay-like” screening tests available on analyzers in drug testing laboratories. However, there are several national laboratories that have begun to offer urine synthetic cannabinoid testing commercially, utilizing sophisticated LC/MS/MS technology. Q Are these mass-spectrometry tests for the detection of synthetic cannabinoids accurate and reliable? A This question is difficult to answer. As with any emerging testing technology that is introduced into the criminal justice environment, it takes time to evaluate the evidential admissibility of the new testing methods. The laboratories offering synthetic cannabinoid testing are utilizing very sophisticated instrumentation and have extensive experience in the forensic drug testing arena. That said, at the present time there are no peer-reviewed, published methods for the analysis of these synthetic cannabinoid chemicals in urine. Further, there are no certified quality control materials to independently evaluate testing accuracy or proficiency surveys to assess the reliability of the new methods being utilized. The determination of accuracy and reliability of these new testing methods will require some time in order for the data to be accrued and subsequently evaluated by the scientific community. Q How long do synthetic cannabinoids remain detectable in urine following smoking? A At the present time there are no authoritative studies or publications that provide a definitive detection window for synthetic cannabinoids in urine. While it is reasonable to assume that elimination patterns of synthetic cannabinoids would be similar to that of marijuana and its metabolites, there is currently no research available to answer this question with specificity.
Q What urine cutoff concentrations should be used when testing for synthetic cannabinoids in urine? A Urine cutoff levels for the detection of synthetic cannabinoids and their metabolites have not been established. That does not mean that the synthetic cannabinoid testing should have no cutoff levels. All forensic drug tests should have designated drug concentrations that allow the consistent differentiation between a positive and a negative sample. These cutoff levels can be established by authoritative governing agencies, by court policy or by the testing laboratory itself (based upon the limits of method detection). Q We have received information from a laboratory that states they have a “SAMHSA certified test” for Spice and K2. Is it important to use the SAMHSA certified synthetic cannabinoid test for drug court clients? A SAMHSA does not certify tests - SAMHSA certifies laboratories. So there is no such thing as a “SAMHSA certified test”.Second, synthetic cannabinoids are not covered under the federal rule - therefore this testing cannot be certified by SAMHSA under any circumstances at the present time. While the laboratory offering this testing may be SAMHSA- certified, these claims appear misleading. Currently, there are no official forensic standards for synthetic cannabinoid testing. Q What specific drugs are being detected by the laboratories offering synthetic cannabinoids testing? A The specific synthetic cannabinoids being detected will vary from laboratory to laboratory. Laboratories offering testing using mass spectrometry techniques are targeting selected compounds from the list of chemicals outlined in the answer to Question Q2, in addition to some of the metabolites of those compounds. However, some of those chemicals are difficult to obtain and their breakdown products are not well understood.
Because there are no preliminary, broad-range screening techniques for the class of synthetic cannabinoids, the alternative testing approach is to select specific synthetic cannabinoids for detection. The ability of a laboratory to obtain these chemical compounds will dictate how many of the synthetic cannabinoids they are able to detect. Check with the laboratory to determine which synthetic cannabinoids are included in the testing. A significant challenge for laboratories offering testing for synthetic cannabinoids is the inconsistencies in the production of herbal incense products. A particular brand of herbal incense may contain one or more synthetic cannabinoid chemicals in one batch and a different combination of synthetic cannabinoid chemicals in the next batch. The changes in herbal incense composition is often an effort by the producer to circumvent the legal restrictions already in place. Q Is it true that drug courts that have begun testing for synthetic cannabinoids have identified a high incidence of abuse with many clients testing positive? A There are no large-scale, epidemiological studies investigating the prevalence of synthetic cannabinoid use. There are a small number of anecdotal reports that indicate significant use of herbal incense products among drug court clients; however, the client selection process may have skewed the significance of these reports. Testing for synthetic cannabinoids is more costly than standard drug testing, therefore courts are only testing those participants who are suspected of covert herbal incense use. In one court report, for a “selected” client group, seven out of nine participants tested positive for synthetic cannabinoids. A different court reported 12 out of 17 suspected users tested positive for synthetic cannabinoids. The second court further reported that an additional five clients self-reported the use of herbal incense products following the identification of the original positive clients. Whether these findings are representative of the broader drug court population is far from clear.
Q Should synthetic cannabinoids be addressed in our client contract? A Absolutely! Drug courts should review their client contracts to ensure that the use, distribution and possession of synthetic cannabinoids and related herbal incense products are expressly prohibited. Q Should client sanctioning for synthetic cannabinoids be different from other positive drug testing results? A This decision rests with individual court programs, but consider the following. Clients using synthetic cannabinoids do so with the knowledge that these products are not routinely detected in standard drug tests. In other words, the use of herbal incense products is an attempt by many participants to circumvent the drug use monitoring efforts of the court. In that respect, the use of synthetic cannabinoids is more akin to specimen tampering (an effort to defraud the court’s surveillance strategies). Some courts may view a positive synthetic cannabinoid result as a more significant transgression than a routine participant relapse and sanction accordingly. Q Is it true that hospital emergency departments are experiencing an increase in admissions due to poisonings associated with the use of synthetic cannabinoids? A Yes. And, the trend is disturbing. Recently, the American Association of Poison Control Centers reported that during the first half of 2010, there were 567 cases (in 41 states) in which people suffered adverse reactions to herbal incense products. This is in contrast to only 13 cases reported in all of 2009 - an increase of over 4000%.Synthetic cannabinoids may still be legal in many parts of the country, but that does not make the use of herbal incense products safe.

And well that's what I was able to come up with for that to help others and that of myself. To those on probation wondering just look up your location and try to find out what lab they use for testing and see how they lab goes about it what they search for and take it from there. To show if you are determined you can accomplish a lot. I know a lot of ppl ask questions on the forum and just expect members to answer and make them feel better about theyre situation. Unfortunately, you wont always hear what your expecting so I recommend you put in a little time and work, it will pay off. Thanks again to all. Special thanks to DF.


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(Did they state you could not have RCs as terms of your probation? )

Not sure what RCs stands for! Also, my concern was that I know weed can get out by sweating but how in the hell does this chemical leave your body/urine?
I agree with drinking too much water the day of the test, how they will take it as diluted and fail me. I also read that you cannot get rid of jwh018 through sweat nor water. Dunno, again such a controversy on this synthetic. I would of thought that weed stays in your system for about 30 days on a heavy user or maybe 45 and for a one timer maybe 3 days if you smoke only like a joint so I figure this could not last as long but theres just so much said and testimonies on it that its hard to decide. I see some say 72 hours and some say 30 days some say ten. Im not that paranoid like others I just found it very interesting and continued to search. I just took maybe four hits at that and the joint wasn't fat. It was a silly thing of the moment and wouldn't let it happen again. I am 27 male active I drink plenty water work and soon will hit the treadmill for some running. Im only about 160 lbs 5'7 and have a high metabolism. Im sure I will be good but I stated a lot for the use of others who come to the forum searching on it because it was hell for me finding good firm info on it.

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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Bath salts are listed on my GC/MS lab test slip. So is Kratom, which is legal in my state. Other than
to quantify levels of my prescribed drugs I'm clueless regarding what they actually look for. All I know is they charge my insurance well over two grand, so God knows what obscure chemicals they're looking for. Probation is a different matter, however.

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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

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That depends on where you live and what the 'synthetic pot' actually is.

There is no such thing as 'synthetic pot' what these blends contain are synthetic cannabinoids or other research chemicals and it is very rare these days to fine a country or state where several are not already banned. And even blends sold as 'legal' might in fact contain illegal analogs. And without lab testing the blend it is impossible to know if it contains a legal or illegal RC.



The OP is not talking about THC, these are synthetic cannabinoids not THC

Synthetic pot and synthetic cannabinoids are basically the same thing, we both recognize the difference yet most people will know what were talking about when we say "synthetic pot." These are research chemicals that mimic real life cannabinoids and the active ingredients in real life cannabis yet constantly change to stay under the radar to avoid illegalization... They banned JWH then 10 new ones popped up. Once they ban one (like JWH) more synthetics pop up.Im sure you know this. If youre trying to be pedantic, then technically youre right, but were in a cannabis forum with a former cannabis user who definitely knows what hes talking about re: the difference between RCs and real pot.

I reiterate my statement OP and Im not talking out of my ass like these nitpickers. You smoked a very small amount of synthetic pot a relatively long time ago (in regards to a drug test) and you would be in the clear by now even if you had smoked real pot in those amounts, let alone the synthetic shit they invent every other day to bypass our laws. I understand your anxiety and have felt it myself in the past... Its not an irrational fear. But you will be fine and you shouldnt lose sleep over this. Especially if you flush yourself with a good amount of water and exercise; its foolproof. Dont let these people worry you. You are fine and you will pass this drug test : ) They probably havent even developed a drug test yet to detect the newest RC cannabinoids and even if they did you will not have a detectable amount in your system. Nowadays these RCs change on the fly once one is identified and made illegal, and a new one pops up to take its place instantly. They literally cant keep up with the amount of RCs flooding our market to beat the drug schedules... And even if they did you didnt smoke nearly enough to still be dirty on cannabinoids at thia date. You will be quite alright, just take care to avoid any substances in the future that even *might* be related to cannabinoids so you arent worrying again.

Just a very few hits like you took, and so long ago, this stuff wouldnt even register if it was real weed. Sleep sound my friend, and please avoid any synthetic pots in the future if you are truly concerned about this issue : )

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Research chemicals are not legal for human consumption period. I doesn't matter if the chemical contained in the blend has been specifically scheduled or not. Without approval from the FDA, possessing or selling synthetic drugs with intent for human consumption is illegal. This is why these chemicals are sold in head shops as herbal incense or bath salts and almost always are labeled "not for human consumption".

RCs are illegal to consume because they are labeled as incense, and bongs are allowed to be sold legally all over the country because they are sold as "water pipes." This is obviously word play to circumvent any law breaking yet it is clearly understood and accepted (you think the head shop owner thinks youre smoking tobacco out of your "water pipe?' I just happen to have a bridge to sell you at an unbeatable price). Even if youre completely technically correct, all of this pedantic terminology and nitpicking is moot, period. You took a couple hits of fake pot, more than a month ago, OP. You are as free and clear as it gets; you would literally test clean from real cannabis in the tiny amount you smoked, well over a month ago. Steer clear of synthetic cannabinoids in the future if you sincerely fear a dirty test. Realistically you have nothing to worry about whether they can detect the newest cannabinoid or not. Very moderate amounts of alcohol also helped me through my forced sober time. I dont recommend this if you dislike booze but i you have a problem staying sober it just might help you through those restless nights. Just a thought, it wont work for everyone obviously, but I definitely tested clean every time and it helped me power through my time without weed without going crazy. Im somewhat of a pothead : ) and if you do decide to choose an alternative recreational substance to get through these hard times, please dont overdo it : )

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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Thanks so much for the time that you all took to cover and respond my issue. At the end it isn't worth it. Its just to stay prosocial and live life for what its meant to be. you all have a good night. I'm really glad I found this forum.
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Old 14-11-2013, 08:30
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Keep living life with a smile my friend and dont let this bog you down : ) My PM box is open always and I would be more than happy to converse with you if you ever need a pair of ears. This probation will be over before you know it. Sleep well buddy : )

Also I think you stated something like 45 days is the dirty period for a heavy pot user. Would you believe you can literally test dirty over 2 months later if youre a heavy enough smoker? My childhood friend tried to join the National Guard and still had traces 2+ months in. They let him begin the initial process because his levels had fallen steadily for so long, that he was obviously no longer smoking. Of course not everyone smokes Kush from sun up to sundown daily, but if you do it long enough you are definitely liable to test dirty even over 60 days later. Ive heard of even longer periods for extremely heavy smokers but I have not personally seen/been informed about it it like my buddys National Guard ordeal. As a strict BHO wax smoker (commonly touted as the product with highest THC/CBDs/CBNs) of quite a long time I bet Id test dirty even longer than 2+ months on a drug test as thorough as a military screen. Wasnt trying to make a point or anything, just letting you know it can bypass 45 days by a somewhat substantial margin.

Lastly, RC means research chemical : ) And its commonly used to describe substances evading drug scheduling, substances that are unique enough to be classified outside of classical drug categories, or new substances lacking enough scientific research to be properly classified in the classical drug categories (benzos, opiates, etc) For instance, etizolam is (or at least was for a long time) referred to as an RC though nowadays most people will lump it in with benzodiazepines (although it isnt a true benzo by strict definition... Well let the nitpickers get off on the difference though).

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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

[QUOTE=dankplantgrower;1384311]You took a couple hits of fake pot, more than a month ago, OP.QUOTE]
I had actually smoked the synthetic 11/09/13 at around 9pm. which was the four to five hits. Since then I have not touched anything nor will and prior to that I had been clean or all drugs. I still am hoping I will be good in this. My first urine sample will be given 11/21/13.
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

I have read on the redwood toxicology website that they test for 19 cannabinoid chemicals now (maybe it was twenty), If you do not know what chemical you took it is impossible to know if its tested for. I saw a lot of recently developed cannabinoids on the list (examples: 5f-pb-22, 5f-akb-48, Im pretty sure i saw ab-pinaca and ab-fubinaca too). The one i know is not tested for is sts-135 (i looked specifically for it). Many other labs are developing tests as we speak but the lab with the most canabinoids tested for is 19 or 20. others tested for 16, 18 etc but did not see anymore than 20. I would not smoke spice if your getting tested, even if the chemical is labeled as something not on the list, the vendor may be mislabeling products to move old inventory. I would post the list but do not know how, sorry.
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Re: Will synthetic marijuana come out in a probation urine lab test.

Here is the list from redwood toxicology from the file 3369_sc_sellsheet.pdf:

Panel 6473: Urine Synthetic Cannabionoid Test
Detects 19 drug compounds
AKB-48
AM-1248
AM-2201
AM-694
JWH-018
JWH-019
JWH-073
JWH-081
JWH-122
JWH-200
JWH-203
JWH-210
JWH-250
JWH-398
MAM-2201
RCS-4
RCS-8
UR-144
XLR-11
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Re: Synthetic cannabinoids & urine testing

Does anybody know from their own experience how long these chemicals stay in your system. thank you

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