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Old 01-11-2013, 17:12
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trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Hi all. I am obviously new to this forum. Been lurking and reading various post and such lately. I have a problem that may not truly be considered an addiction, but I surely have high tolerance and suffer from abstinence syndrome whenever I abstain from opioids.
I decided to try and kick this methadone about 5 years ago and as such tapered my dosage down from the 100mg per day(10 10mg pills a day) down to about 10 mg per day over several years.

I found that 20 mg of methadone still gave adequate pain coverage as long as it was supplemented by 15 -30 mg of oxycodone per day, so I kept this regimen. Due to recent insanity in the laws regarding pain management where I live, my pm Doc lost his mind and took me off methadone/oxy combo c/t and switched me to 120 mg of oxycodone(30mg x 4).

This lasted 4 months. It has been a living hell...the 30mg oxys cover my pain for maybe an hour but after about 4 hours I started going into mild w/d. So I experienced out of control pain most of the time and mild to moderate w/d 4 times aday for 4 months. Due to the ineptitude of our medical care system and our government, it has become impossible to be treated with opioid medications.

Farm animals for slaughter are treated as well or better than pain patients in Florida in the 2000's. Any way I managed to taper down to 1 mg and then jumped off about 60 hours ago. I had to go back to the methadone 4 weeks ago when my (doctor) cut me off c/t from the 120mg of oxycodone. I know I'm in for a rough time, so any useful information would be very much appreciated.

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Old 01-11-2013, 18:58
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

petadone blues,
The first step of tapering being your decision is the first step to regaining your life.
At the top of the addiction & recovery part of this forum their are several links highlighted in yellow, these are a must to help you cope and abstaine.
Many supplements help,your own self determination I believe will greatly affect your detox.
Please keep your head up and stay as positive as possible,you can do this..
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Old 01-11-2013, 23:53
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Thank you for the vote of confidence. I've stopped counting the hours since my last dose of the mighty M...I have .1 mg clonidine and some Xanax to help with sleep. Last night was horrible but I am going to do this. My only worry is the some parts of my anatomy have bolted and plated together with titanium instrumentation, and the original reason I ended up on Methadone was because a greedy and corrupt Doctor performed a sterile procedure on my lumbar spine w/o using sterile technique and I subsequently acquired a MRSA infection in the disk space at L-4,5,S-1 which went from Methicillin resistant Diskitis to vertebral Osteomyelitis, a very painful condition. I was not expected to survive, however, here am. But my worry is how will I deal with my pain after I'm past the methadone w/d
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Old 02-11-2013, 00:37
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Hi, Petadone Blues-

Getting off of methadone used for pain management is very tough, as I personally know. But it can be done and it seems like you're on the right path.

As Torn2bits said, there is a lot of good reading here on the subjects of detox and on PAWS (Post Acute-Withdrawal Syndrome). And many wonderful success stories in the form of personal journals as well.

More important than any other factor is that you have to set your mind for what's coming up. It will not be easy and it will not be painless. But it's well worth the effort if you want to cut your tolerance level way down and be able to control your pain again soon.

After you're detoxed off the methadone (physically and emotionally) your pain specialist will figure out another combination of drugs that will best cut your pain. I say cut because most of us living with chronic pain know that there is no such thing as living with no pain ever again. Pain is just part of a chronic condition, as you well know.

If your pain specialist does not come up with a livable solution, it's time to move onto another doctor. I too live in Florida and have been fortunate in finding a doctor who goes out of his way to make my life tolerable, no matter what, so you may have to shop around but don't lose hope. There are good pain specialists throughout the state.

Best of luck to you and keep us posted on how things go. We'll be keeping our fingers crossed for you.


Dickon's Opiate/Opioid Detox: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=76991&page=9


Richard Smoker's PAWS Help: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...=73599&page=21

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These links are imperative for a easier methadone detox!
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:56
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

I have read much of Dickon's words over the past few days. A brilliant mind is always worth reading and as such I read much material regarding opioids and particularly Methadone.

I have been preparing for this psychologically for the past several years. My story of the past 13 years has been one of survival, suffering and determination to fulfill my responsibility to raise my children and remain a good spouse(if there is such a thing). With Children finished College and living on their own, I now can focus on this quest. To that end, I have spent the past several years acquiring the computer components, audio components, software and musical instruments to assemble a home recording studio.

It is functioning now, however I am not quite able to dive into to it wholeheartedly yet. I do have material recorded thus far, and I must say the project is coming along much better than I had expected. But after I came down from the methadone to very low doses, noticed that I am very fragile both emotionally and physically. I have acquired some meds to help me thru this with the really physical stuff.

I have read that jumping off 1mg per day of methadone can be quite nearly as difficult as jumping from somewhat higher doses. I know it varies. I was on high doses of methadone for only about 7 years before began my slow journey toward the 10 mg(plus bt oxycodone 15mg) I achieved in about 2010, but I ended up stabilizing my pain and side effects at 20mg/30mgoxycodone per day.

After the pm took me off the methadone(cuz too many people are dying from diverted Methadone, and they cannot reliably evaluate compliance at lower doses such as mine.

So the brilliant minds in the florida legislature and the current governor(I refuse to honor it by using it's name) came up with rules that have more destructive externalities than the ostensible "good intentions" around which the legislation was passed. Any way this prompted my "Doctor", whom I have fired, by the way.

(After I'm clean, I will find a new pm who is not hell bent on selling dorsal column stimulator installations at any cost to the patient, be it psychological, medical or financial) thank - you. I was desperate enough to try the DCStimulator implant on a trial basis back in 2007, therefore having electrodes protruding thu an incision temporarily to see if I wanted one of these gadgets installed in my body.

Honestly had I not been in a methadone/oxycodone fueled stupor, I doubt that I have agreed to the barbaric procedure, especially after having acquired MRSA Osteomyelitis from a previous barbaric procedure(Diskogram/RF Neural ablation)...Ain't iatrogenic disease a wonderful thing?

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ooops...correction. The new legislation designed to scare the hell outta pain Docs and ostensibly to save self-destructive people from finding out how powerful methadone is, prompted my "Doctor" to change some things.
For example, now all prisoners of pain must pee before rx are dispensed, and he took me off ultra-dangerous methadone(even tho I have demonstrated responsible use of the medication over 8 years under his "care") When he put me on the oxycodone for 4 months, he was never concerned about my constantly going thru up and down pain control or 4 times a day w/d symptoms, however I think he may have inadvertently helped me by doing that because when he cut me off c/t after 4 months it gave my body a chance to purge the Methadone so when I switched back I was able to resume a slightly lower dose, starting at 15 mg for two days and then I went to about 18mg to curb some discomfort for about 4 days before I tapered down to 15 for 3 days then 10 for 3 days then I went to dosing 2.5mg am 2.5mg pm for 4 days and then I went to 1 mg for one day and jumped.

It's been like 72 hours. BP erratic but clonidine helps a lot. Mostly watering eyes, sniffles, sneazing, Back Pain!!! and kicking legs so far....and chills galore.

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Saturday about 3opm approx. plus or minus some hours it must be about 80 hrs since my last dose of methadone. didn't sleep too well, but aside from some anxiety and a horrendous back ache coupled with some radicular pain and pain from where my neck is bolted together and some residual brachial neuritis in my left arm(post c-5 corpectomy in 2010.

I feel not too awful....yet. Is this the calm before the storm or did I taper well enough that my fears may be a little exaggerated?

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Very nice job of filling in the details...please put some paragraph formatting in your text, though. A block of type is not reader-friendly :).

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:17
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Perhaps, perhaps not. Still, it's best to keep perspective and try not to stress, since stress and worry only serve to exaggerate the symptoms.

Do you have all the things you'll need for this detox? Things like loperamide (a piperidine derivative and an opioid drug used for tummy issues and physical detox), ibuprofen (for discomfort), quality food rich in vitamins and protein and--lots and lots of water--for consumption and for hot soaks, to name a few?

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:57
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Welcome PB.
I'm in the same place you are in many ways. I have lots of hardware in my body(C-3-C7 Discetomy &Fusion,in neck. Total Knee Replacement with components that were too large.) Both surgeries a failure. My Lumbar is completely deteriorated/injured, but I opted not to let them touch it. So, brother I somewhat feel your pain, as I know that I we have to live with the rest of our lives, as far as CP.

I'm at day 4 CTing off of 20-50 mgs. per day of Oxycodone, after a 3 year stretch this time.Before that time I was on them for 22 years on some fairly significant doses of several different Opiates/Opoids . I was off of all Opiates/Opoids for 8 months and felt better than I had in years, but then came the surgeries.

Give it time brother, it does get better. The first couple of months can be quite rough, but it is well worth it. I am really into music, as you are, and music sounds SO much better being off of the Opiates/Opoids

Hang in there bro, as I will.
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Old 03-11-2013, 00:32
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

[QUOTE=OxyHippie;1379048]Welcome PB.
"I'm in the same place you are in many ways."
"Hang in there bro, as I will."

As you've stated, we are in somewhat similar situations in may ways.

I have prepared myself for this as best as I could learn how and I am determined to succeed. My pm Doctor of the past 8 years(4th pm since 1998) was never truly a medical to me other than the fact that he was willing to rx the methadone/oxycodone regimen that I was on, as long as I was willing to allow him to experiment with very lucrative and profitable alternative pain treatments such as dorsal column stimulators and needle based procedures. He was kind of barbaric as have found many anesthesiologist/pain doctors. I have trying to find a way to escape the grip of this medical monster for quite some time.
I once had a pm Doctor who was a Neuro-Psychiatrist...he was much more tuned in to the human experience rather than a robotic, distant rx dispenser and perpetrator of brutal dangerous procedures. I will beat this methadone disease as I have already beaten resistant lumbar osteomyelitis and two subsequent cancers ( one of which is already 10 years in remission. But Methadone is a bad boy and I'm scared to death right now.

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"Do you have all the things you'll need for this detox?"
I think I am pretty well set. I have Clonidine .1mg (been checking bp every few hours and thus far taking a .025 mg dose of Clonidine has been able to knock the BP down from peaks eg. 250/127 down to my normal range about 120/70 or lower.

I suffer from orthostatic hypotension so the clonidine hits me pretty hard. It seems to be working wonder for my mental state too.

swim has a small quantity of medical marijuana which is helping that person extremely well. In fact it even kills much of the incredible back pain she suffers....lol

I also have some .5 mg Xanax which is helping with the sleep. A boatload of loperaimide. Been eating fruit and veggies like a pig and taking vitamins, sublingual b complex, some st. john's wort L-tyrosine and I have a fantastic family. thanx...I seem to be doing quite well so far. took three 1 mile walks today with my dog rockit and went grocery shopping, so even though I feel like death warmed over, I'm pushing myself a little.

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Old 03-11-2013, 00:40
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

It sounds like you have your ducks all in a row. Good job. Things will be much more manageable with the comfort meds to help. Of course, just remember not to overdue it and, hence, build a second dependency as a result.

Let us know how it goes for you, as we'll be here for support. And you can DM me if you need anything else. You have yourself a nice remaining weekend.

Oh! Time to turn the clocks back so you'll catch an extra hour tonight as well...the good stuff just keeps on coming.

Take care, ~Petadone Blue~

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"Do you have all the things you'll need for this detox?"
I think I am pretty well set. I have Clonidine .1mg (been checking bp every few hours and thus far taking a .025 mg dose of Clonidine has been able to knock the BP down from peaks eg. 250/127 down to my normal range about 120/70 or lower.

I suffer from orthostatic hypotension so the clonidine hits me pretty hard. It seems to be working wonder for my mental state too.

swim has a small quantity of medical marijuana which is helping that person extremely well. In fact it even kills much of the incredible back pain she suffers....lol

I also have some .5 mg Xanax which is helping with the sleep. A boatload of loperimide. Been eating ffruit and veggies like a pig and taking vitamins, sublingual b complex, some st. john's wort L-tyrosine and I have a fantastic family. thanx...I seem to be doing quite well so far. took three 1 mile walks today with my dog rockit and went grocery shopping, so even though I feel like death warmed over, I'm pushing myself a little.
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Old 03-11-2013, 00:44
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

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Congratulations on beating resistant lumbar osteomyelitis, along with both cancers. You sure have been through a lot more than me.

Fortunately I was only on Methadone for a few months before I opted to go back on Oxycontin,Oxycodone and Morphine ER. From what I have learned about methadone, it is with possibly the hardest Opiate/Opoid to get off of, due to its long half-life. There are many on here that have gone through Methadone WD.

I too had all of the myriad of shots in my lower back, to no avail. I would not even let them even talk to me about the implanted stimulator.

You have a such a positive attitude concerning beating the Methadone, you will obviously make it my friend.

Hang in there, we will make it through this.
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

I want to sincerely thank, I mean profusely thank the people who have contributed to this thread. OxyHippie and Beenthere2Hippie thanks mucho. Still seem to be doing ok. No GI symptoms as of yet beside my usual ones, I have Symptomatic Diverticulosis from chronic Opioid use.

But it feels like it's 90 degrees in here and 30 degrees at the same time. Anyway, I am listening to people's advice and trying to follow my instincts through this. I have completely lost faith in the US medical-care "system" so I will do this on my own. My faith in our medical system is so broken that, I didn't even seek medical treatment four weeks ago, when I fell(I fall a lot because I have cervical cord damage from chronic cord compression at c-5), it's a source of much pain.

But I lost my balance as usual and fell and broke my left(fretting hand) 3rd and 4th metacarpals and my wrist...It hurt like hell even though I was still on the 4 x 30 mg oxycodone meds...it was only a couple days before I ran out of Roxycodones before I went back to the methadone.

So I set it myself and wrapped in a splint with the wrist set to a 30 degree angle and the knuckles at a 90 just guessing that if it was gonna need surgery that going to the er now wouldn't help. Anyway I played the bass today, guitar is still a little painful, but despite the knots in they are fused...than god...4 weeks to 8 weeks is textbook for this injury so I did ok. Crazy I know.

My wife was freaking. I have been thru the proverbial medical mill and I am seeking alternatives to Doctors whenever possible.

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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Hey PB,Beenthere2Hippie has been where you are at and I'm going through it again. So it is our honor to help/encourage you, as we are both CP suffers as well. It sounds like you and I are on about the same timeline for going CT.

I'm getting the wild/wierd bodily temp feeling swings also. Mine is more I'm really hot and then all of a sudden I am really cold.

My GI tract seems to be fairly well, which was a big concern, as I have had Chronic Ulcerative Colitis for something like 27 years. I was concerned that my CTing would cause a flair.

I'm with you on finding alternatives to the current medical system. The more I have been through,and what I have learned concerning pharmaceuticals, and many surgeries. I am very much for any and all alternatives to the whole medical racket whenever possible.

Hey I'm guessing by your name that you are Blues Man?

~OH

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yeah oxy I play blues mostly, but also some blues/jazz fusion of my own sort and I also was a Rock n Roll guitarist for many years and have also playing in Country bands. But I really am most at home playing sort of blues-rock like early Savoy Brown or John Mayall stuff. At one period in my playing maybe twenty years ago I spent a great deal of time copying Freddy King. Much to my chagrin, a lot people think I sound like Cream era Clapton, but I think I sound like me...oh well.

I know what you mean about the hot n cold chills...I've rotating between gooseflesh/freezing and sweating at the same time to so hot I gotta rip off my shirt and then I just pour sweat. Oddly, for the past 3-4 days I have been awaking with watering eyes, runny nose, sneezing reputedly, but after I'm up a blow my nose and dry up I stay fairly dry eyed and my nose clears up. Weird.
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Hey Petadone Blue (and OxyHippie) -

It's really great to see you (both) with such a positive outlook on getting through this detox. As the other Hippie said, I've detoxed from methadone (45 mg daily for 6 years) myself and know it's not anyone's idea of a picnic. It's challenging but life is so much better on the other side.

Just like the two of you I have many serious health issues to contend with and one that has me scheduled for neck surgery in about two weeks (but that's off topic and we won't go there now), so know I'm with you in spirit and will help in any way I can.

No matter what, keep your chin(s) up and let us know how things go.

To sleep 4 me now-

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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Been there2 Thank you for your support. Another day has come, or maybe it's still to early to be considered another day...I managed at least 4 hours of demi-sleep more just lying there resting but still not truly sleeping.
Feeling pretty exhausted right now. Last night I was super hyper for several hours as if I were ingesting a mixture of lsd and amphetamines. It was weird. This morning, oddly, I still have the usual chronic constipation, no diarrhea yet and I have not sneezed once, blew my nose clear and no faucet, but my eyes are running like faucets.

This Methadone w/d seems so erratic, sometimes feel a little better then go back to full blown horror, but relatively speaking compared accounts I've read from others, I haven't suffered...yet. Good luck with neck surgery.

It took my 5 years to find a surgeon who would decompress my spinal cord at c-5, 6, 7 due a congenitally small canal couple with damage from an accident. They wouldn't fix my neck even though I could barely walk or use my arms because I had cancer and radiation therapy in the area of the c-5 vertebra and they were concerned that the surgery would be a death sentence due to non-fusion/non-healing possibilities from the previous cancer treatment.

But finally in 2010 I found a Doctor who said "well your not really living anyway, so why not try the surgery and see if we can end your suffering one way or the other" I said let's go...was in hospital for 20 hours and standing in my living room fixing my internet connection the following day at lunch time. Now I can play guitar again(albeit only for relatively short periods, and I can walk, and I don't drop Everything I touch now, only half the time and my hands and feet are numb and painful all the time, but I'm using them to type this so life is good.
At times like these, I wish I could believe in a god of some sort, but that's ok cuz I still got my guitar (I think jimi said something like that once...I know what he means) peace

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only took a 1/4 clonidine so far this morn and a quarter of a .5 Xanax for some anxiety two most bothersome symptoms so far this am are incredible back pain, leg pain, pain in my right knee that has not been dx by a medical doctor but was sufficiently masked by the big M that I have never dealt with this issue before even though I have known that there is something wrong with the outside pocket of my right knee joint for several years,

and the neuropathic agony in my neck arm and hand are certainly reminding me of their importance this morn. Eyes finally stopped running, no gi symptoms yet. I think we're approaching something like 92 hours since last deathadone dose. I flushed whatever done was in my safe last nite...bye bye torturedone

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That's exactly how you do it, PB! Just make it through the moment, make it through the hour, make it through the day till it's behind and done.

I've always likened it to traveling through an unknown tunnel. You enter at the dark side and try to crawl on your knees to the light. Little by little, the light grows brighter. Sometimes it seems that night falls and you cannot see the light at all. But then you wake up and there it is again, so you crawl, you crawl, you crawl to then, finally, you emerge in The Light. You can do it.

Using the clonidine and xanax are a big help, as you've seen. And sleep will come, if in a matter of time. Try to remain positive about the journey, even though it's not a fun one, and--just like the rest of your health issues--this one will be just a memory soon.

Keep up the great job and thanks for your journal!
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yeah oxy I play blues mostly, but also some blues/jazz fusion of my own sort and I also was a Rock n Roll guitarist for many years and have also playing in Country bands. But I really am most at home playing sort of blues-rock like early Savoy Brown or John Mayall stuff. At one period in my playing maybe twenty years ago I spent a great deal of time copying Freddy King. Much to my chagrin, a lot people think I sound like Cream era Clapton, but I think I sound like me...oh well.
I can't play an instrument to save my life, but guitar is my favorite instrument by far to listen to, especially electric, and I listen to a LOT of music. I find that it fires off my endorphins, so it does help mitigate the pain in my body, by just focusing on the fine music that I am listening to. Primarily like Jimi, and those that followed after him in style.

I'm sorry to hear about your sleep, or should I say lack of last night. That is a great way of stating it, as it is more of a demi-sleep at times. I have yet to experience much of that this go around, but I am not in denial that it will not come to haunt my nights. I'm doing the sneezing non-stop ant times, but other than that not bad except for the lethargy.

Great to hear that you flushed the Methadone away. No temptation to 'just go take a little to help mitigate the WDx.' I speak from experience, I can't just taper. CT is the only way for me.

So glad to hear about that your neck is so much better than it was before. That actually helps put things in perspective for me. I did not have to go as long as you did before surgery, at it sounds like some of the same disks had been compromised. The symptoms I am now experiancing are 80% better than they were in my neck,head, shoulders, arms and hands. Still hurts, if I over do, which doesn't take much, but at least I can function somewhat, like it sounds like you can. And hey, you are right, it is so nice to be able to just type again.

Thank-you Beenthere2Hippie for the always encouraging words! You certainly can relate to our plights.
I know that I am at the place where I can no longer use Opiates/Opoids for pain management. I know where that road leads. So good to hear that you are finally going to get neck surgery. I wish you all the best in that.

Hang in there bro,
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

hi ....short on time, but just a quick note.....excruciating back pain, but I feel like my IQ has gone 40 points...lucidity is intense to say the least and I feel(emotionally) exponentially better than whilst I was on the pain meds. I feel like myself once again. practiced the guitar and bass till my injured hand hurt....maybe 20 minutes...but the broken hand is helping have the patience to wait until I'm truly ready before I start working on my music. Still experiencing a sort of hyper revved feeling, feelings of elation, and listening to music is freaking incredible...I can actually feel the emotion the players impart to their solos....it's beautiful. Got major chills right now...time for some clonidine and a 1/4 Xanax to calm a bit...I'm so stoked about how I feel right now the physical discomfort isn't even important at moment.

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when I say iq gone.....I mean gone UP!

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I managed 3 walks again today, one was a mile long, the second was the length of a moderately sized indoor shopping mall, the third was about 2 miles. Psychologically I feel better than I have in 12 years because although it may be early in my abstinence, I feel like a freed prisoner. Still having body temperature issues such as feeling hot and cold simultaneously goose flesh and some moderate GAD. But I seem to have stopped crying, my nose is dry and I have experienced no lower GI distress and zero diarrhea. To coin a British phrase I think apropos, I'm simply Gobsmacked at how I'm doing with this withdrawal. Thanks to beenthere2 and Oxy from another Hippie who is extremely grateful for the moral support and info

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hi ....short on time, but just a quick note.....excruciating back pain, but I feel like my IQ has gone 40 points...lucidity is intense to say the least and I feel(emotionally) exponentially better than whilst I was on the pain meds. I feel like myself once again. practiced the guitar and bass till my injured hand hurt....maybe 20 minutes...but the broken hand is helping have the patience to wait until I'm truly ready before I start working on my music. Still experiencing a sort of hyper revved feeling, feelings of elation, and listening to music is freaking incredible...I can actually feel the emotion the players impart to their solos....it's beautiful. Got major chills right now...time for some clonidine and a 1/4 Xanax to calm a bit...I'm so stoked about how I feel right now the physical discomfort isn't even important at moment.

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when I say iq gone.....I mean gone UP!
Hey petadone blues, that is wonderful to hear man, well not the excruciating back pain part. But rather, the really being able to experience the music and the returning of your IQ is awesome.Sounds like you have some of your own endorphins kicking in again already. That is the goal we are after, to have the parts of our lives back that really matter.

Man, you have such a positive attitude!

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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Thanx Oxy...I hope ur doing well too. Right now getting the hot and cold chill thing again and exhausted. But still in a great mood. I feel good. Still constipated though. Been that way ever since I first started methadone 12 years ago, but I've learned to use counter-measures, but I'm afraid to use them now because by all accounts I should be ravaged by intense non-stop diarrhea right now, and that is simply not the case. Another thing I've noticed after 12 years of meiosis(pinpoint pupils) is that I look like I'm tripping my pupils are so huge, but it looks beautiful. It's like I'm viewing someone else's eyes when I look in the mirror. WOW!!!!
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Glad to hear petadone blues that you are still in a great mood! I have been experiencing pretty severe lethargy today. I was able to get some physical chores done today though.

Yes, that is amazing and great that you are not experiencing diarrhea at this phase of your acute WDs.

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Another thing I've noticed after 12 years of meiosis(pinpoint pupils) is that I look like I'm tripping my pupils are so huge, but it looks beautiful. It's like I'm viewing someone else's eyes when I look in the mirror. WOW!!!!
Man, that is funny and great! I just went and checked my pupils and they look 'normal'. I forgot how large one's pupils get when they are tripping, it has been a year or 2 since I have experienced that. But, I certainly did more than my fair share all through the 70s. Was fortunate enough to live in the San Fran Bay area in the end of the 70s where the good stuff was still being produced (Berkley).

Keep on Rockin in the Free World my friend.
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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Feeling good HUNGRY!!!! Still freezing cold and hot. Huge pupils Good mood took some sodium Diclofenac this am, gonna take another one tonite. Back pain is hitting the 9's but everything else seems awsesome so far!
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Hey, PB-

Hunger is a good sign and your attitude seems top-notch. Hooray! The hot and cold spells (which I personally call the Sweat/Freezes) was the worst symptom of all for me, and the one that took the longest to pass. I don't actually know the scientific reasoning behind it, but it is annoying as hell and enough to keep one from being able to do much of anything while they're happening. I hope for you the pass soon.

Hang in there. You're doing great.

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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

another day...Life is so great! I feel like I was dead and watching a movie of myself suffering for the past 12 years. Got up ten minutes ago. it's 40 below zero in here and I'm sweating like a pig.

legs hurt back hurts but I would give it only maybe a 3 or 4 right. maybe that diclofenac stuff really does help.

I remember back in the early 90's when I was taking maybe one or two 5mg vicodins for pain they gave me a script for 4 x a day of 600mg motrins and it literally destroyed my esophagus...I still have the esophageal spasms on occasion and everytime I have one of those I swear it must be a heart attack, but it never is.

A doctor once gave nitroglycerin pills to take when this occurs and he told me if the pain subsides it's my heart, if the pain continues, it's esophageal spasm...interesting dx technique...don't the validity of it or if he just a quack like 99.7%(just a guess) of Doctors in Florida. My guesstimation may tainted towards the hi side because of my personal medical horror story not allowing me to see the truth...but I doubt it. I'll be generous here and say well maybe only 70% of them are incompetent. But to be fair to the md's I must say that probably a larger percentage of Doctors aspire to be at least average, but it is our "medical care system" that is more the problem. But in anesthesiology/pm medicine it seems the goD complex issue is quite real and very very commonplace. What's worse is that now the incredibly incompetent Goverrnment of my State is now using the doctors as an instrument on failed so called "war on drugs for we can the right wing ideology. It seems apropos that Dolophine is used so extensively despite the potential deleterious efftcts.

I'm rambling sorry. My mind seems to be awaking from 2 decade nap. Freezing...sweating...some moderate pain...ready to chuck the rest of the Xanax script into my barbeque grille tonite when roast up a chicken and some garlic peppers onions.....wow am freaking starving....why?

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freezing/sweating just had my morning sneeze bout....4 sneezes in a row. eyes are dry nose a little sniffy but that symptom has been clearing usually within an hour of awaking. This is the start of my 6th day (I think)...I stopped obsessing over how the time is dragging at this point. Still mad constipation just like always.

My gastroenterologist did some testing on me some years ago including a colonoscopy and determined that I have Diverticulum along a nerve in my colon that may account for my non-opioid related IBS-D has never really been ruled out but, but opioids definitely got this whole thing started after years of pretty heavy rx use.

I think I may have some serendipitous luck on my side with this w/d. By taking me off the deathadone poison for several months and torturing me with short acting Roxycodone my liver may have had time to detox much of the poisondone. When I went back to the Methadone after the "summer of torture" I knew I had to taper and taper fast.

Originally I had intended to stay on the Methadone for a month and taper more slowly. I even had the pills cut up and measured out into a calendar style pill container. I threw them all away cuz I got scared(knowing Methadone all too well) and I hastened my taper down to 2.5 mg at bedtime(in the hope that that would keep my plasma level at the highest possible state while trying to sleep) , but I only stayed on 2.5 mg for a few days before dropping to (approx. 1 mg nuggets)..but then I thought why wait, and only 1 1mg dose one time and just quit at that point. So my theory is that I'm doing so well because my body was not still filled with all 12 years of methadone residues and metabolites. Is this plausible?

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Well the constipation finally relented and now I feel great! Except for profuse sweating in a relatively cool room, about 75 degrees f. This is a most bothersome symptom, but still pales compared some of what I have already suffered. Still starving like I haven't eaten in days. Back pain is starting to escalate as it always does after I'm up and moving. The more I move, the worst it hurts, with caveats. First standing stationary for more than 2 minutes elicits unbearable back pain and caveat 2 is that walking...power walking helps the pain subside.

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Oxy Hippie...I truly do hope that you are doing as well with your taper and w/d as I am. Or I should say, as I "think" I am. It's still early only 6 days so I may be in for some surprises but I don't think so. I feel good...I feel real good now(singing James Brown in my head...lol

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I couldn't hold out any longer....threw away the remaining Xanax...don't another dependency to develop...survived a 2 mi walk with rockit sweat/freezing....back pain maybe a solid 7 standing stationary...maybe a 4 whilst power walking...slow walking is not a possibility as the pain goes off the ten scale. I can hear(I have been able to hear this for 13 years) my L-4,L-5 vertebra grinding upon each other when I move....Now that I'm un-stuporized....I can also feel it and it is very disconcerting...instrumentation in my lumbar is contra-indicated due MRSA Osteomyelitis

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Re: trying to get off 12 years methadone and oxycodone depency for severe pain

Oh, to awake out our opoid slumber! How fine it is!

So glad to hear how well you are doing for the beginning of day 6.

This is day 6 for me as well. I awoke this morning feeling better than I have in quite some time. I know that I was waking up everyday before in WDs, as I was taking IRs Oxys. It felt like I had the flu, and was beginning to wake up more times than not with a headache.

I personaly would not throw the Xanax out quite yet. You may well need it to help you sleep in the near future. My circadian cycle is just now starting to get out of whack. When I went CT almost 3 years ago, it took months for my circadian cycle to return to normal. But then again, I was having trouble sleeping from day one. The fact that it does not sound like a real issue with you is a very good sign my friend.

I have the same back issues as yourself, as I can not stand either, without dire consequences. Walking helped my back as well, but with the botched knee replacement my knee hurts like hell if I do any amount of walking. But, now that I am getting the Opoids out of my system again, maybe I will be able to push through the pain, and begin doing some serious walking again.

I know this may be hard for you to believe living where you do, but I have to go get my snow tires put on our rigs today. It snowed a wee bit up here yesterday.

Have a great day bro!

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