succesful Research Chemical combos/personal research

[renegades]

Swim has done a lot of different RCs but he says nothing tops combining 2C-B and 2C-N. Swim says the synegistic effect of the 2C-N on the 2C-B is very intense with the best visuals outside of salvia.
Swim also likes 5meo-dmt and DOC
Swim likes Salvia and DOC
Swim likes DOI and DOC
2CB and Doc swim said was not very fun
Swim said that neither 2ct-7 and 2ct-2 seem to have a synergistic partner.
Swim leaves with these words. The worst drug to mix an RC with is methampetamine. Nothing brings down a RC high faster than that drug, its like a cold shower. Swim said if it is in your system, the RC high will be about 1/2 of what Swim is used to experience with the RC.

[DJ]

SWIM combined 2 hits of lsd (approx. 200 micrograms) with 1 hit of DOI (approx. 2mg) and had a grand ole time. Also smoked some opium-laced pot that night and did a little molly (MDMA)... so it appears to swim that the DOI is pretty forgiving when it comes to combinations

Just the lsd and doi alone together felt like candyflipping.

[Probing Tranquility]

what would be a good ratio for 2c-e and methylone? SWIM plans on recieving both of them shortly.

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Was there any particular dosage attached to this experience (or any of the others you've contributed)? Without dosage levels, experiential reports are pretty much useless.

Swim believes it was 12 mg's of each in this instance. Swim can not honestly say his exact doses for many of his previous experiences as his memory is somewhat clouded but can offer that when mixing compounds he usually takes half what shulginn suggested for the high end of each compound. Hope that helps.

[Expat98]

2C-T-2 and 4-HO-DiPT combination

Before I get started with this, I would urge anyone thinking of combining 2C-T-2 with other substances to research it well and not rely solely on this report.

With that said, SWIM recently found this to be a GLORIOUS combination, with 22mg 2C-T-2 taken at T=0, followed by 30mg 4-HO-DiPT (Iprocin) taken at T=1:30.

SWIM had tripped on 30mg 2C-T-2 two nights before, but it resulted in high body load with only weak mental/visual effects. SWIM thinks this was because he was tripping with someone he was not that comfortable with, resulting in psychosomatic discomfort and mental grounding.

So he decided to try again alone a couple of nights later, to attempt to get where he wanted to go.

SWIM had recently been reading a thread about 4-HO-DiPT, where people were saying that the dosages listed in TiHKAL and Erowid are low and that the magic with this chemical starts at 30mg or so. SWIM had not previously been that impressed with 4-HO-DiPT, so he wanted to do it at a higher level (previously had gone up to 22mg). Thinking that there might be some tolerance with re-dosing on 2C-T-2 after doing it only two nights before, he decided to throw 30mg 4-HO-DiPT into the mix on this occasion.

He wanted the two to hit at about the same time, so he did the 4-HO-DiPT (which usually hits fast) about 1.5hrs after the 2C-T-2 (which can take a couple hours to hit, although it started coming on faster this time).

The result was fantastic! The visuals (OEV) were strong and out of this world beautiful, and he was in a wonderful psychedelic headspace. He was on the verge of ego loss at times, and the 4-HO-DiPT brought on brief insights into the oneness of all things, the likes of which he had not experienced since long ago (on mushrooms).

SWIM really isn't sure how the 2C-T-2 affected the peak of the trip, as it mainly seemed to be driven by the 4-HO-DiPT. He could definitely tell when the short-acting 4-HO-DiPT began to wear off after 3 hours or so, and the trip went down a few notches at that point. So SWIM will have to do some research on 30mg+ doses of 4-HO-DiPT alone to see how they are.

One other thing to mention is that SWIM had taken about 1.5mg alprazolam (Xanax) spread out in 3 doses over the 36 hours prior to this. He was really relaxed going into this trip. (One reason he decided to do the relatively high-dose combo was that he was afraid the residual effects of the alprazolam might deaden the trip somewhat.)

BTW, there was no body load whatsoever experienced on this trip - It felt great! (SWIM does not seem to experience much body load from RC's in general.)

[Voices]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

2c-i and 2c-e (quite intense and somewhat enjoyable)

methylone and aco-mipt(overly intense, the senses become completelly jumbled and the body feels as if it doesnt exist, telepathy, overwhelming)

2c-e and ho-mipt (most breathtaking visuals)

2c-i and aco-mipt (visually intense, incredibly euphoric)

If I may ask, could swiny please share the doses associated with these? From other postd, I'll assume that swiny mixes all these in a gelcap without spacing them out?

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by Voices

If I may ask, could swiny please share the doses associated with these? From other postd, I'll assume that swiny mixes all these in a gelcap without spacing them out?

swim apoligizes for not going into more details and writing full reports, he has had little time as of late but will try to write some full reports.

2c-e(10mg) and ho-mipt(20mg) in a gelcap. quick onset, complete white out. swim got lost in the woods behind swiys path at night. the forest appeared as if every tree was a giant purple mushroom, everything twisting, the leaves looked like spinning snowflakes and everything seemed alive. swim experienced little anxiety which he attributes to the 2c-e. when the sun rose the sky was spinning with waves of amber, the sun was radiating a blissful euphoria. Swim usually feels almost alien on 4-ho-mipt but the phenethylamine presence seemed to give it a more comfortable euphoria and made it easier for the overwhelming visuals to be accepted with ease. everything seemed alive and meaningful; more so then usual. swim thinks the dose could easily be lowered to have similiar effects as the duration was a good 9 hours or so.

methylone(circa 250mg's) 2 hours prior to dosing 4-aco-mipt(30 mg) swim actually forgot he was on the methylone when ten friends of him decided to trip which swim did not want to pass up. this trip was swims most intensely introspective. swim spent the night with his lady friend and spent most of the night laying in bed with her. it was not in the least erotic however it felt as if swiy and his partner were telepathic and that time moved forwards and backwards. the visuals were interesting however the mind fuck was the most notable thing. swim layed with his eyes closed for hours, each second he would see his whole life play out before his eyes, each sequence a life if swiy chose another path. swiy saw himself getting crucified, swim saw himself leading a revolution, living as a hermit, living as a highclass socialite etc. it was almost like watching a movie over and over with a different plot and the same character. swim also could not feel his or his partners body despite the fact she was laying on top of him although he could feel her energy; it was a unique a strange experience to say the least. speaking was impossible despite the incredible feeling of understanding. lasted 12 hours...

2c-i(5mg), 2c-e (5mg) 2c-t-2(5mg) all in the same capsule. swims come up was rapid and very nauseaus. the only notable thing about this combination was swims patterning was very non linear. it seemed chaotic and unpredictable but very potent for the dose taken by swim.

aco-dmt(30mg) ho-mipt(10mg's) the experience kicked in quite quickly and walking became near impossible. swim curled up in a ball in his bed content with and ego tistical voice whispering good things as the room melted away.


swim has recently tried 5-meo-mipt(30mg's) vaporized and 5-meo-dmt (10mg's) vaporized. swim was left with no inhibition or idea of how he felt or what to do. any idea sounded like a grand idea and everything was very exciting. swim and his friends decided to drive to NYC at 3 in the mourn and ended up getting lost and waking up in philly burnt from lack of sleep.


swim will try to answer more questions and check the boards more frequently, swim hopes his information is adequate.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	good info man!
	Hearing about good combos is always good information.

[Voices]

Thank you for the information! Swiy has some experienced monkeys in their labs. Swim was curious about the first two combos because M1 and 4acodipt was requested by the domestic apes here. They like 4acodipt but would ove to kick it into a higher gear.

Again, thank you.

[rxbandit]

swims experience with aco-mipt has been pretty intense alone. m1 with the aco-mipt completely mixed swims senses up and swim perceived having senses a swim normally would'nt have. swim had trouble descerning where anything was in relationship to himself. sensually it was a very interesting experience. one of swims most confusing, introspective and interesting trips; althoughs swim night would have been quite ridiculous if sober considering some strange happenings.

[Nagognog2]

Can we safely assume SWIM means 4-Acet-MiPT here? Sorry to be a nudge, but being exact might alleviate confusion in 100 years.

(aco, Acet, same diff. Looking for the position on the phenyl ring of the indole re: 4)

[rxbandit]

yes, good ol' 4-acet-MipT; to clarify.

[rxbandit]

swim has some new ones for everyone.

2c-e and 4-aco-dmt; both at about 20 mg, the aco-dmt being insufflated. quick onset, incredibly smooth and vivid. comfortable with some of the most incredible visuals.

2c-b(70%) 2c-e(20%) 2c-c(5%) aprazolam(5%) in solution % by weight. large quanity were consumed by 12 individuals around 100-150mg of chemical weight per person over a 3 day period. it was reported that it was a very comfortable but speedy trip, with a tendency to redose frequently(likely due to the aprazolam). visuals were quite remarkable, possibly the most comfortable and fun trip swim has had. few ill effects other then those of obvious sleep deprivation.

[Triple7]

** AMT + something **

SWIM#1 thinks that having AMT with other tryptamines are nice, but AMT with 5-MeO-MIPT isn't worth it. SWIM#1 experienced that the AMT was too dominant and that it is a waste of 5-MeO-MIPT when they were combined together. SWIM#1 also tried AMT with DOx and found AMT again dominating. All in all SWIM#1 tried AMT with 4-AcO-DIPT, 4-HO-DIPT, 5-MeO-MIPT, 5-MeO-DIPT, 4-HO-MIPT, 4-AcO-MIPT, 2C-E, DOI and DOC. Now SWIM#1 thinks in SWIM#1's case it is not worth mixing AMT with phens. To stack one dose of AMT with 1 dose of something that fits with AMT is better than taking 2 doses of AMT alone or 2 doses of "mixer" alone. SWIM#1 and his friends all loved the combo of 2 parts AMT and 1 part 4-AcO-DIPT, for example 40mg AMT + 20mg 4-AcO-DIPT. But half dose of each is useless.

One SWIM loves amphetamines with AMT while other SWIMs don't.

SWIM#1 CONCLUSIONS: AMT is nice and is even nicer to combine with other tryptamines except 5-MeO-MIPT. AMT seem to dominate when combined with 5-MeO-MIPT or phens. It is useless to take half dose of AMT and half dose of "mixer", go always for full doses.

** AMT + DOI **

SWIM#2 and SWIM#3 loves the combination of DOI and AMT. SWIM#1 did not like this, since it was like AMT alone and SWIM#1 thinks it is the better to stay with AMT only.

SWIM#2 once took 10mg DOI and 80mg AMT. Experiences lasted for 3 days and SWIM#2 dealt then with long lasting HPPD. Normally SWIM#2 is quite strong and can handle more than others.

** 4-AcO-x + 4-HO-x **

SWIM#1 found 4-AcO-DIPT together with 4-HO-DIPT very exciting. For SWIM#1 the combination is more potent than if only taken one chemical. For example 20mg 4-AcO-DIPT + 30mg 4-HO-DIPT was clearly stronger than 45mg 4-HO-DIPT or 70mg 4-AcO-DIPT. SWIM#1 claims that eating hash + this combo gives double the strength. SWIM#1 knows that some don't feel good with hash.But SWIM#1 got friends who says this works well with hash. 4-AcO-DIPT mixes well with everything. SWIT7 found that everyone seems to be positive to 4-AcO-DIPT and any combination with it. DOx can be also a nice to mix with many other chemicals.

SWIM#1 CONCLUSION: 4-AcO-x probably mixes well with 4-HO-x. With THC, the effects are doubled. A few may get very ill from mixing with THC. 4-AcO-DIPT can be mixed with almost everything and DOx is similar but not as well mixed, since it didn't go with AMT.

** DOI/alcohol +DXM **

SWIM#1, SWIM#2 and SWIM#5 thinks 8mg DOx + 250mg DXM is very intense.

SWIM#1 was in the back seat of a car very wasted. To him car was a space ship. SWIM#1 always felt a bit ill from the DXM, especially SWIM#1 felt poisoned in the throat.

SWIM#2 was talking about the birth of universe and cosmos.

SWIM#5 tried this combo and found it to be their lives most intense and scary trip (yet #5 have not tried saliva or DMT). SWIM#5 thought world was entering WW3 and everyone was about to die. SWIM#5 also said things he regret and is very ashamed over what SWIM#5 has done and said.

All three SWIMs experienced this combo at different times. SWIM#1 doesn't want this combo, since DXM feels like poisson. The two other SWIM's are scared to touch this combo again but they love DXM.

The crazy SWIM#5 drinks alcohol with DXM. SWIMS have forbid him to do this, but SWIM#5 did it again and again and again. SWIM#5 does look healthy but appears to be the one without 2$ and does just anything to get intoxicated. SWIM#5 complains that his vision is permanently impaired.

MY COMMENT: DXM is dangerous and mixing DXM with anything else is even more dangerous. Some fake ecstasy contains speed + DXM with some MDMA to make very strong pills. To combine a small dose DXM seems to intensify the experience a lot. But never do heroic doses of DXM. Never! With DXM there comes a lot of risks, please read any FAQ even if you are not going to use it. SWIM#1 says mixing with DXM is the cheap mans drug. Try stay below 500mg or even better, below 250mg. *points at the LD-50 sheet*

* Weird coctail *

Old man SWIM#6 who promised friends, mama and family never to trip again in his life, drank by accident a drink containg chemicals. The bottle was planned for 4 persons and he had half the bottle. It contained 1g MEOPP, 40mg foxy, 40mg 4-AcO-DIPT, 80mg AMT and a 300mg DXM. SWIM#6 didn't notice anything strange in taste, but got fucked up after about 30 minutes. It was his most intense trip to SWIM#6 and his mama had to take care of him.

* DOx + something *

SWIM#1 thinks mixing DOC with DOI has no use. (period)

5mg DOC with lots of alcohol (50cl 40% vodka) got very intense. Girlfriend to SWIM#1 had sex with SWIM#1. SWIM#1 couldn't understand what they were doing and wondered who that person (the girlfriend) is that is riding him. SWIM#1 thinks lot of alcohol with drugs is bad. SWIM#1 was on beer and MDMA. SWIM#1 remember that he tried to get rid of one big tit hooker, but she forced him into a cab and there he got blackout. He got conscious when he shot a load into her while doing doggystyle. Hooker never asked for money and had been nice to him, still SWIT7 was shocked since SWIM#1 didn't like this and on top of that didn't use rubber. Otherwise, small amounts of alcohol can do good. It may make the experience kick in faster and it may make the subject look less stoned/aggressive.

SWITM#1 says 2C-E is better alone than taking with DOx as suggested in erowid.


* 5-MeO-DIPT + something *

Foxy + others or foxy alone makes usually SWIM#7 feel sick. There are several SWIMs that got sick from foxy. Only when there was Foxy + AMT SWIM#7 didn't feel nausea. The nausea is typical feel of low blood pressure and feel of faint. SWIM#7 friends felt the same type of nausea. Story goes that foxy is similar to 4-AcO-DIPT. Foxy with AMT is very nice according to SWIM#1. The foxy is from a very reliable source. There is a reverse story, where one person in erowid went to hospital from foxy + amt combo.

10mg 5-MeO-MIPT + 10mg 5-MeO-DIPT + 10mg 4-AcO-MIPT have made several SWIMs into a state where they don't know where they are and what they were doing.

* RC + food **

MY COMMENT: A little bit food + RC is good. Only a little bit food or candy bar or so, not a full meal. The food is to make your intestines work a little to absord the RC. Aspirine/paracetamol + RC kills 50% of RC. If headache pills are needed, wait till peak. Milk + RC may prolong the onset by several hours.

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks for sharing swiy's experiencs, though if you could clean up the post a bit to make it more readable that would be...

[renegades]

Wow swim has found a combo that was so psychedelic it visually blew away anything else swim has tried. The combo was 5 mg of DOB and every hour 5 mg of DMT. Well, the dob gets you up there and it can stand on its own. However when swim smoked the DMT she would literally enter into a different world of psychedelic, hallucinations so intense swim had to close her eyes because of sensory overload. Much more intense than with either drug on it's own. Quite a good time. Saw swim's life pass before her eyes all within 2-3 seconds.Swim won't describe it, you'll just have to wait until you die to experience it.
One thing though, whenever swim smokes DMT, swims cat seemed to know even though swim should no physical signs from the high. How does a cat know? Does swim emit a chemical odor from her skin. A mystery which swim can't ask her vet about.

Reputation Comments on this post:

swim has had the same experience with cats...

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by renegades

One thing though, whenever swim smokes DMT, swims cat seemed to know even though swim should no physical signs from the high. How does a cat know? Does swim emit a chemical odor from her skin. A mystery which swim can't ask her vet about.

Probably subtle shifts in one's body language, posture, or eye movements - things the subject herself wouldn't even notice, but animals (who tend to be closer to the wild, so to speak, and therefore more alert) would.


ECL

[jux]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

Probably subtle shifts in one's body language, posture, or eye movements - things the subject herself wouldn't even notice, but animals (who tend to be closer to the wild, so to speak, and therefore more alert) would.


ECL

is it that pets really know that their owner is tripping, or could it just be a trick of the mind?

your probabally right, though...when a person is acting different from the way they normally do, thier pet can pick up on that and responds accordingly.

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by jux

is it that pets really know that their owner is tripping, or could it just be a trick of the mind?

It's a question worth asking, but I can say with certainty that it's not all in the mind.

I know this only because Swim has a cat that he rescued from stray homelessness when the thing was young. It had gone feral by then, so there was no turning it into a lap cat - it's grown to like Swim and Swimette, but it still doesn't like being petted too much and hates to be held. When Swim is tripping on certain substances, however, the cat is definitely calmer far more affectionate.

The cat didn't really turn blue...even though one Swim was sure she did...but her behavior did change.

It could be that the cat can sense his mood easily and likes him when he's tripping; it could just as likely be that Swim is recognizing subtle cat cues that he would normally miss and thus getting a better response.


ECL

[Nagognog2]

WARNING!

AMT (alpha-Methyltryptamine) is a MAOI. Mixing this with other substances is dangerous in unskilled tentacles.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo had (or was had by) a 25 pound Maine Coon Cat. When Bongo had taken MDMA, the huge puddy-tat climbed up onto Bongo's bed and started licking Bongo while purring her head off. No way could this giant cat be dissuaded from her chosen avocation until she finally fell asleep.

To the above - likely both body-language and smell.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Awww...I had a Maine Coon myself.

[pandemic]

SWIM this past weekend at a cave had

2 does of L + 100mg 2c-b +2 bowls cannibis + .25mg K + 6 nitrous ballons = trees were kaliedoscoping, cave was melting, grass was growing, complete euphoria, evertyhing looked like a videogame with direct x 9 except people looked completely normal, could also see the air. lots of visual winning

(swim isn't sure of dose but it was 1 capsule) mescaline + 50mg 2c-b = auditory hallucinations, overly sensitive to lights (actually any light was too bright and was hurting SWIM's eyes)

4 doses DOI + 30mg 4-Acet-Mipt = extreme euphoria and amazing visuals

2 gms mushrooms + 25mg 2c-b + 1 bowl cannaibis = everything was electrified and full of color

SWIM has heard that 5-meo + 2c-b is an incredible combo, can anyone verify this?

[chrisn]

5-meo...?

[pandemic]

it was referenced as foxy, and when asked to elaborate further all that was known was 5-meo.

[chrisn]

Ah, 5-meo-dipt. Be aware there are numerous "5-meo" compounds. Also 5-meo-dmt, 5-meo-mipt, etc..

[rxbandit]

swim would suggest 15 mg's of 2c-e with a 50 mg line/dose of methylone. If swiy feels more methylone is in order, simply cut out another line after 30 minutes or so. gradual dosing will prevent possible overstimulation.

[spunkymunky]

Does anyone have any info on combining mushrooms with methylone?