Drugs in the Military

[TheMindIsADangerousThing]

Swim just wants to vent and have swiy maybe add to swims thoughts in this post. Swim has been in the military, and has always been baffled by the drug situation within it. Swim can somewhat understand the need for drug testing and a zero tolerance policy(Somewhat, I stress the word somewhat). It drives swim insane though, the fact that Military members can get away relatively easy doing any water soluble drugs, cocaine, heroin, even things like Ecstacy or LSD and never pop on a drug test because A) They either dont show up on a piss test or B) It takes a mere 72 hours to be out of swiy's system(Not that Swim minds these particular easy ways to enjoy swims self). But the fact that military members can do all this, and yet cannot smoke marijuana because it stays with you for so long. Swim needed to vent, and will be looking forward to seeing everyone elses opinions on the matter.

[wellhelm]

Swim was in the military for 4 years. He was deployed to Iraq early on in O.I.F.. While there, swims were constanlty popping pills and smoking mj. No time for drug tests there and some took advantage of it. Swim does not know what branch swiy was in, but swims branch punished those who skipped a drug test with a court marshal.
Swim's only suggestion to getting around piss test and mj is saving up his leave and toking up as to not put liberty at risk with excess food cravings or the giggles.
Being in the military is sacrifice, but look at the list of other stuff swiy's still get to do!

[wellhelm]

woops it was swims branch not mine! Damn it, sorry.

[Forthesevenlakes]

how comprehensive are the military drug tests? what do they test for? swim has heard dxm use is somewhat big in the military, as is homemade alcohol. wonder if they test for either or both.

its interesting how the military has drug tests, and yet air force pilots are given amphetamines (or modafinil, recently) for missions and benzodiazepines or zolpidem to sleep after missions. swim wonders if they just dont bother testing pilots for these drugs, or if they do and the positive results are just ignored if the pilot has just flown a mission.

[wellhelm]

A lot of swims that used drugs in the military are willing to roll the dice. Every day a sheet come's out and if your on the list you gotta pee. Swim knows every drug you can just about think of is being used by a small number of military personel. Though most don't.
Swim was friends with the guy incharge of the piss tests and he said they have the option of testing for everything from E to smack.

[Djvr16]

Swim just joined the military. He leaves for basic in January. He used to smoke everyday for 3 years, but had to abruptly quit when joining into the armed forces. That wasn't hard, but now that he doesn't smoke, he still has the want and love to get high on something. He's been using psychadelics more often. He thinks this is still absurd because one can use so many different hard drugs than marijuana Good thing his favorite chemical doesn't show false positives, or tested for

[Riconoen {UGC}]

swims grandfather smoked weed in nam to ease the constant fear and anxiety and has a spotless military record, but those were different times swim guesses...

[Abrad]

I really wonder how many would really give a shit if they were discharged...

[wellhelm]

well when you get discharged for failing a drug test in the military the best discharge you can get is a "other than honorable". No college fund or benifits and its hard to get a job at mcdonalds.

[Djvr16]

I bet even if drugs were legal the military would still shun on them and kick you out if they tested positive. I know I wouldn't want to have dishonorable discharge, I hear that will screw you for life. You know if a soldier goes AWOL for more than 30 days, past their vacation time in a time of war. The punishment is death by firing squad. Reason, treason. Fuck that.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Desertion actually. I didn't know they still shot deserters...

[wellhelm]

A dishonorable or bad conduct discharge are looked at by civilian employers to be equal to felonies.
Punishment by death for going awol in war is still on the books as being a possible punishment, but the military would never follow through. someone would probably just do sometime in the stockade's or brig or if it was serious enough leven worth.
Salvia's leagal and not tested for but if one admits or is caught using it he'll be kicked out just the same as if he smoked mj. same go's for most other legal drugs.

[allyourbase]

Ive never been in the military but what I understand from my friends who are in the military is that youre given set periods between your drug tests, you know these periods. they still smoke weed (my friends that is, not military people in general) but because of these periods they know when to stop and break down the bio-evidence with niacin. pill use is rampant in the military even the supposed "straight edged" people Ive known in the military were often prescribed opiates and benzodiazapines for various reasons.

[wellhelm]

Speaking from swims expirence, there are times such as training, deployment, or temporary assigned duty, you can expect not to have a drug test. But the command one is in has the ultimite authority to do one on whoever whenever they want.
for one instance, swim and fellow soldiers were marched to a movie theater, shortly after a 3 day weekend, on base and were locked inside. swims were told no one(roughly 900 people) were leaving until everyone pee's in the cup.

[mick mouse]

SWIM was in the military for 12 years and was never tested, nor were any of those in SWIM's team. It is fairly easy to avoid tests when one is "in the field", on "training missions", haz duty "assignments", or operating as "technical advisors". SWIM spent his time in Beiruit, El Salvedore, Honduras, Panama, Uzbeckistan (and one or two other 'stans as well!), one or two Eastern European countries, the list goes on and on. In all of these places, various substances were readily available and those that SWIM reported to were aware of this, but it was never an issue, my team policed itself. One thing that SWIM can say for sure is NEVER get caught drinking/drunk in the Middle East! One of SWIM's team members did this and it took a jeep mounted 50 cal and several deployed LAWS to convince the local justise dispenser to release him to my custody. A couple hundred US dollars soothed his ruffled feelings and we were on our way. Team-mate had to take an arse-whuppin and pay his buddies back the money, but nobody gets left behind. Interesting thing was that the local justice dispenser was toking it up on an absolutly beautiful hookah while we discussed issues and paid the fine.

[quantumbrujo]

never been in the military,never would either,but my little brother is in afghanistan right now getting shot at.He had to go through some serious drug testing for mj,but him and his buddies were doing extacy like crazy and getting away with it.

[rodent]

A few years ago SWIM new a guy who bought his ecstasy from a Marine while he was on duty! Same situation basically that they could get away with some of the harder drugs as the testing wasn't often and unless it was within a day or two of taking, they'd pass their tests.

On another note, does everyone remember one of the reasons AMT and 5-MEO-DIPT were scheduled was because a couple servicemen were caught dealing to others while on base, I think. Here’s a couple of links that tell some of the story –

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt_media2.shtml

http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/Public%2...0-ecstasy.html

[rodent]

Hah!
I just noticed that the second link I provided is full of misinformation-

1. “Alpha-methyltryptamine, or AMT, and N-diisopropyltryptamine, also known by the street names "Foxy" or "5-methoxy-N," are sold over-the-counter at novelty stores, nightclubs…”

2. "A dose of Foxy, the less potent of the two, can dilate users' pupils, make them talkative, lesson their inhibitions and cause extreme hallucinations for up to six hours after ingestion."

Foxy is N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine and I do believe (in SWIMs experience at least) 5-meo-dipt is the more potent of the two.

No surprise I guess that the gov link can't get the facts straight.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

I thought 5-MeO-AMT was foxy methoxy.

[rodent]

No. Quite different animals...
Confusion like this is why many people don't like the "street names" that are given to these potentially dangerous chems.

5-meo-dipt
Look here-
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dipt/

and here-
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ght=5-meo-dipt

and now were getting well off-topic...
UTFSE and Google for 5-meo-amt info

[Riconoen {UGC}]

or Erowid...swim would get some 5-MeO-AMT or dipt if it wasn't so damned expensive... it's xxxxxxxxxxxx gram pills on certian vending sites...

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

or Erowid...swim would get some 5-MeO-AMT or dipt if it wasn't so damned expensive... it's xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxgram pills on certian vending sites...

5 MEO-AMT is one of the more dangerous and unpleasant RC's from what SWIM can make out from reading about it. If he was thinking about trying RCs, it would be way down on his list.....

[Forthesevenlakes]

Please do not post prices on the forum, and remember to stay on topic with the nature of the thread!

[Police Officer]

Maybe I can put this in a different perspective. I spent several years in the military. I never used drugs in the military.

When you raise your hand and swear in, you agree to give up certain liberties. You also agree to live under a different set of rules. There is no draft. It is voluntary.

You agree to live differently. You agree to live under a different code. You agree to be held to a higher standard.

In turn, you become a better person. You can hold your head higher. You have done what most people are too scared to do. You have done what most people can't do. You live differently for the rest of your life.

The military is a great place. Just like anything else, it is what you make of it. You start on the bottom, and based on personal achievements and merit, you move up. If you’re a turd, and you do nothing…well, you probably won’t get much out of it. If you’re willing to do what is expected of you, and act like an adult, then you will get a lot out of military service.

With this being said, there is no place in the military for illegal narcotics. I say this for two reasons. 1. You voluntarily agree to live under a code which clearly states that you are not to use or abuse illegal narcotics. 2. Someone who caries a semi automatic rifle, automatic rifle, grenades, “grenade launcher,” and several other firearms, should at no time ever be high.

Would you want soldiers from your country to patrol foreign countries with automatic rifles while high? Would you want your sons or daughters to go places where people will shoot at them, with the intent to kill them, while they were high?

[smogg]

You agree to live differently. You agree to live under a different code. You agree to be held to a higher standard.

well said there policeman ,i know i wouldnt trust anyone who is high with weapons on them but more to the point i would not like to be any were near some one who has weapons on them and are comming down