Comedown... any tips from amphetamine fans?

[Nicaine]

SWIM is used to the sudden, clifflike drop-off from cola, not the really gradual comedown he's been getting on Hex.

SWIM understands that speed in moderate doses has the same gradual comedown, albeit a stronger high to recover from... so what does SWIY do to start slowing down, easing up the tweak, getting used to functioning normally & maybe getting ready for bed? I.E. getting into a slower/more grounded frame of mind.

All SWIM can think of is hot shower, cup of herbal tea, a klonopin or two. Any other ideas?

[bcStoner420]

Your ideas will work well. One other thing that seems to help is muscle relaxers (script or not). While alcohol does help with the mental part of it SWIM often finds it doesn't help with the sleep a whole lot and once it wears off can actually make it harder to sleep. For example he will wake up in the middle of the night and not be able to get back to sleep to save his life. Other then that taking it before 12 noon would be a good idea in SWIMS opinion.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by bcStoner420

Your ideas will work well. One other thing that seems to help is muscle relaxers (script or not). While alcohol does help with the mental part of it SWIM often finds it doesn't help with the sleep a whole lot and once it wears off can actually make it harder to sleep. For example he will wake up in the middle of the night and not be able to get back to sleep to save his life. Other then that taking it before 12 noon would be a good idea in SWIMS opinion.

SWIM can't really think of anything that helps with the sleep aspect, 'cept Ambien CR maybe. He's got insomnia normally tho, without any stimulant help... sleep can be a b*tch sometimes.

[Forthesevenlakes]

gabapentin might help with the sleep aspect. if it helps for yayo, it could help for other speed-type drugs.

ambien, sonata, or lunesta may help induce sleep, as well. sonata always worked better for swim than ambien. no risk of delusions or hallucinations.

muscle relaxers or a benzo may be more available to swiy. if so, make use of them.

take a hot bath. make tea. smoke weed if its applicable to swiy. read in bed. you know, the stereotypical things to calm down, relax, and drift asleep. reading in bed generally works for swim, he has successfully fallen asleep on mda and mdma using this technique. maybe it will help for hex.

[Lehendakari]

How about a couple of grams of GHB?? Swim thinks this would work, although there is a risk of awakening few hours later and have to redose.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Zamu69

How about a couple of grams of GHB?? Swim thinks this would work, although there is a risk of awakening few hours later and have to redose.

Ditto with Ambien in a high enough dosage, and that's way easier to get. Actually the awakening/redosing risk can be eliminated with Ambien CR. SWIM was more looking for ways to ease down, not ways to force sleep.

[Psych0naut]

SWIM used to take GHB after a long night of amphetamine use, but he learned that although it is very helpful to help SWIM to get to sleep, he wakes up 2 hours later when the GHB wore of, which ofcourse doesn't work.
The best thing for SWIM to get to sleep after amphetamine use is a strong benzo, or other sleeping pills.

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[tractorboy]

the best way to fall asleep is valium with 2 tylenol pm's.....works like a charm, that what SWIM says.

[Fade9150]

Ghb works great for this and coke come downs. It also helps smooth the tweak.

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Ditto with Ambien in a high enough dosage, and that's way easier to get. Actually the awakening/redosing risk can be eliminated with Ambien CR. SWIM was more looking for ways to ease down, not ways to force sleep.

Yes swim agrees with Fade9150, a couple of grams of GHB could also be useful for relaxing after amphetamines binges and ease the comedown, not only to make you sleep. Also, swim thinks it is helpful to relieve anxiety-depression thoughts after mdma use.

[Fade9150]

Yes Ghb is always Swim's go to drug after anything. Any stimulant, X, anything that leaves you exhausted. Swim even use it after a long work week. Swim wakes up rejuvenated without being dehydrated or groggy from a hangover. Swims a big advocate.

[Octo42o]

SWIM uses Xanax on the comedown which is a benzo. Also Seroquil is great.

[izzy31]

Try to ween off it, rather than stopping on a dime - just take smaller and smaller doses and try having a beer.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

SWIM used to take GHB after a long night of amphetamine use, but he learned that although it is very helpful to help SWIM to get to sleep, he wakes up 2 hours later when the GHB wore of, which ofcourse doesn't work.
The best thing for SWIM to get to sleep after amphetamine use is a strong benzo, or other sleeping pills.

hmmm. GHB works very well for sleep in bodybuilding.
this wakening up SWIY experiences, do you think it might be some amphetamine left in the blood which causes it?

[Nicaine]

Seems like most of the recco's for GHB are from outside the USA... SWIM is unaware of any way to really get it in the U.S., it's been demonized as a "date rape drug" and might be harder to get than amphetamines.

[allyourbase]

alchohol and GHB do little help for swim when swim does amphetamine, mostly due to the tightening of the stomach. swim likes using xanax. but has used phenobarbitol, nembutol, seconol, serax, ativan, atarax, valium, and even benadryl in a pinch.

[sterling77]

Try some taurine, its OTC. Its a mild muscle relaxer, makes you a little drowsy, and is extremely safe. Think swim remembers reading it is used up in your body by stimulants too.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by sterling100

Try some taurine, its OTC. Its a mild muscle relaxer, makes you a little drowsy, and is extremely safe. Think swim remembers reading it is used up in your body by stimulants too.

SWIM happened to have some around... it's expired (12/05) but he just tried 1000mg anyway... will report if it has any calming effect. Ten months over-date should not be enough to eliminate potency.

[Kanarshi]

would the muscle relaxer Flexiril / Cyclobenzaprine help at all SWIM has a bit of tolerance to it take it for sleep every now and then and back pains

[sterling77]

Don't know about how long it keeps potency. 1g works is noticable to swim at taking the edge off, but after stimulants he'll usually go for 4g. Some people take 10+ grams per day regularly, so taking too much isn't anything to worry about. Also just remembered, it lowers blood pressure if it's too high, so that's another benefit.

[Nicaine]

SWIM did note something of a calming effect of 1g of Taurine, possibly as much or more than an average dose of benzos. He'll have to consider picking up more.

Edit -- tried it again... he's really impressed with the relaxing + cardiac effects of Taurine and ordered 100 500mg capsules. The stuff is dirt cheap too.

[Darksanity]

Sometimes I use Adderall in the evening to lots of homeworks... but It's impossible to sleep after so I use this combo :

X amount of 85% Kava Kava paste extract
50mg Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride
100mg 5-HTP
3mg Melatonin
X amount of pot smoked
Calcium/Magnesium supplement

I have some Phenibut coming soon to add.

Wich this sleeping combo the anxiety of the come-down is gone and I'm knocked out to sleep and can sleep 12 hours really easy even if I did up to 60mgs of Adderall around 7 PM.

I don't recommend this sleep combo if u need to wake-up relatively soon (plan getting atleast 10 hours of sleep) cause u will be really asleep the day after.

You shouldn't take Melatonin if u plan going to sleep very late to avoid screwing ur circadian rhythm (well not sleeping at all is probably worse but oh well).

[Darksanity]

Sometimes SWIM uses Adderall in the evening to lots of homeworks... but It's impossible to sleep after so SWIM uses this sleep combo :

X amount of 85% Kava Kava paste extract
50mg Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride
100mg 5-HTP
3mg Melatonin
X amount of pot smoked
Calcium/Magnesium supplement

SWIM has some Phenibut coming soon to add.

Wich this sleeping combo the anxiety of the come-down is gone and SWIM'S knocked out to sleep and can sleep 12 hours really easy even if he did up to 60mgs of Adderall around 7 PM.

SWIM don't recommend this sleep combo if u need to wake-up relatively soon (plan getting atleast 10 hours of sleep) cause u will be really asleep the day after.

You shouldn't take Melatonin if u plan going to sleep very late to avoid screwing ur circadian rhythm (well not sleeping at all is probably worse but oh well).

(Please delete first post... why isn't an "edit" button on those forums?...)

[sterling77]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

SWIM did note something of a calming effect of 1g of Taurine, possibly as much or more than an average dose of benzos. He'll have to consider picking up more.

Edit -- tried it again... he's really impressed with the relaxing + cardiac effects of Taurine and ordered 100 500mg capsules. The stuff is dirt cheap too.

Swim swears by taurine. He takes it for weightlifting, it has a muscle volumizing effect rivaling that of creatine, and yes, it is dirt cheap. Definetly a very underrated supplement. You can take as much as you want, all you have to worry about is maybe some gas. It lowers blood pressure, reduces headaches, makes you a little drowsy, keeps you hydrated, is used up by stimulants, and relaxes muscles --------> perfect post stimulant supplement is swims opinion.

[stoneinfocus]

agree with sterling100, in fact, I like taurine better than creatine, cause it has less sides and helps with recovery a lot better, swim thinks.

Never heard of a calming effect of it, beside that it may take away the cramping and discomfort caused by this.... I will try, ´cause actually it´s the right time to.