Sexually Transmitted Psychedelics

[El Calico Loco]

Time for an odd one.

Maybe this has been asked before, or even discussed to death...but I've certainly never heard of anything like this.

The subjects in question were a male and female. The female had taken no psychedelic chemicals in at least six weeks. The male had taken 2C-E one week before the event in question and 5-MeO-DMT a few days before the event.

The event was a sexual experience between the male and female. Said subjects have been together for a long time and the male is fixed, so they don't use condoms or withdrawal.

The girl swears that, after the sexual experience was over, she began tripping.

She said it felt like 2C-E. The female subject rarely uses psychedelics and had done 2C-E only a couple of times in the past.

Sooo...has anyone ever heard of anything remotely like this?


ECL

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Interesting topic and story.

[nanobrain]

well, its ok with an SO, but them dirty trip stealin, free-riding, dude can i have a hit of your...drainbows' s all them be, watch out, they have tell-tale signs of belonging to the freerider club...first sign usually a noted absence of cash...

anyhoo, know to happen all the time, since the extra-special foil helmets. and condoms.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

Time for an odd one.
Maybe this has been asked before, or even discussed to death...but I've certainly never heard of anything like this.
The subjects in question were a male and female. The female had taken no psychedelic chemicals in at least six weeks. The male had taken 2C-E one week before the event in question and 5-MeO-DMT a few days before the event.
The event was a sexual experience between the male and female. Said subjects have been together for a long time and the male is fixed, so they don't use condoms or withdrawal.
The girl swears that, after the sexual experience was over, she began tripping.
She said it felt like 2C-E. The female subject rarely uses psychedelics and had done 2C-E only a couple of times in the past.
Sooo...has anyone ever heard of anything remotely like this?
ECL

This is bs right? either that or she is a fruit cake. I know you can pick up on peoples vibes but this no way don't believe it. Would be cool thou if you could.

[dr ACE]

there is something Shulign mentioned in 1 of his books Thikal about a 'contact high' where pets and people swim thinks if he remembers right could feel or were getting high just being in the presence of someone who was actually tripping

[El Calico Loco]

I've heard of such, but in this case neither subject was actually tripping at the time of the sexual encounter. The male hadn't tripped in days; the female hadn't tripped in weeks.

It's possible that the female subject simply had some very vivid dreams about tripping. The male subject has found that going to sleep and/or waking up while tripping leaves a great deal of doubt as to whether one was ever actually asleep at all. Perhaps dreaming of tripping could be similar?

Trying to imagine dreaming of tripping...that might be too many layers of abstraction.


ECL

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by dr ACE

there is something Shulign mentioned in 1 of his books Thikal about a 'contact high' where pets and people swim thinks if he remembers right could feel or were getting high just being in the presence of someone who was actually tripping

that is definately true, everytime when SWIBL and his friends are tripping, and there is a sober person with them, they also start to feel "weird" and have some (light) visual changes, besides those from smoking weed. SWIBL himself has also noticed this.

[Nagognog2]

Next time suggest they try some sleeping pills in the weeks, or months, leading up to the deed. Then see if she passes out.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Next time suggest they try some sleeping pills in the weeks, or months, leading up to the deed. Then see if she passes out.

hahaaahhhaa lol..... or some anti-psychotic they do the couple great as well

[grandbaby]

The "contact high" is possibly a real phenomenon, unexplainable by simple chemistry (but easily explainable by woo-woo, not to mention ju-ju and hoodoo). I know people who have also experienced such things as big lester describes. But this is the first time I've heard of a contact high being triggered by someone who wasn't high! Perhaps it was a simple flashback?

[Mona Lisa]

Was wondering if possibly there might have been enough chemical residues in the semen (no condoms were used, remember) for her to have tripped from that? After all, I see no reason why chemicals couldn't be absorbed through the vaginal membrane.

I also believe that we are not islands and that if one is hanging around several others who are tripping, that her brainwaves could go more closely in sync to the trippers' brainwaves.

I also believe that if you're around postive well-adjusted people, that your mood will generally lift; whereas the opposite can happen if you around depressed people. I can remember how I was in Moscow back in February 1985 and could feel the dinginess of people's thoughts which added to the depressing ambience of hte place. But likewise, if I'm at a very happy concernt, my mood will lift. Just some thoughts...

[nanobrain]

thass funny, i was having a blast in moscow in 1985! but the vagina, while excellent at secreting is not wel suited as a conduit for administration of psychoactives, as anecdotally documented in the infamous 'mapping vaginal datapoints' report on Erowid.

[Alfa]

Although SWIM has no scientific data to back this, because of his personal emperical data SWIM is convinced absorbtion trough semen does affect females. Even without drugs involved. And with drugs involved psychoactive effects can be transmitted.

[rxbandit]

swim has never experienced this, he has never had sex on a trip but trips somewhat frequently and has sex usually a day or two after. his lady has never complained of anything unusual

[Dogears]

I think the girl was fooling her-self. Even if the guy was on 2-CE at the time the amount in his semen would probably be extreemly trace.

[Jonah]

I call bullllll-shhhiit!

This did not happen period.

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Try being a little more constructive, eh?

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by Jonah

I call bullllll-shhhiit!

This did not happen period.

Except that it did. The sex happened, at least. The girl claimed to feel something. She may have been mistaken, but neither of them are lying.


ECL
(Maybe her orgasm was just that good. *smirk*)

[Tony Blair]

I dunno, everyones cat seems to go all lollopy if it gets given some love by a mashed person

[joachimist]

I've heard stories of people drinking urine (their own or not) after a shroom use or also cactus use, to get high again.

Don't know how true it is actually, but if it's true we can imagine semen can also hold significiant traces of psychoactive compounds.

[dikki]

Actually on another board swim read something about boiling your own urine, and making an extract. They discussed doing it with MDMA and it should be possible to get around 55% of the drug back again.

Don't know if it's true, swim don't feel like trying

[Alfa]

The transport of chemicals in semen.
Birth Defects Res B Dev Reprod Toxicol. 2005 Apr;74(2):119-31.

* Klemmt L,
* Scialli AR.

College of William and Mary, Williamsburg, Virginia, USA.

Three mechanisms have been proposed for exposure of the conceptus to chemicals in semen: access of chemicals to the maternal circulation after absorption from the vagina, direct chemical exposure of the conceptus following transport from the vagina to the uterine cavity, and delivery to the egg and subsequent conceptus of chemical bound to the sperm cell. We review published data for each of these three mechanisms. Human seminal fluid chemical concentrations are typically similar to or lower than blood concentrations, although some antimicrobial agents achieve higher concentrations in semen than in blood. Vaginal absorption of medications has been shown to occur, although the vehicles in which these medications are delivered to the vagina may maintain contact with the vaginal epithelium to a greater extent than does semen. Assuming total absorption of a seminal dose of a chemical with a high semen:blood concentration ratio, distribution within the recipient woman would result in a blood concentration at least three orders of magnitude lower than that in the man. Direct delivery of seminal chemicals into the uterine cavity of humans has not been shown to occur, although it may occur in species such as the rat in which seminal fluid has access to the uterine cavity. Chemicals in or on human sperm cells have been demonstrated with respect to tetracycline and cocaine in vitro and aluminum, lead, and cadmium in vivo. The in vitro cocaine study offers sufficiently quantitative data with which to predict that oocyte concentrations would be five orders of magnitude lower than blood concentrations associated with cocaine abuse, assuming a maximally cocaine-bound sperm were capable of fertilizing. Thus, even using liberal assumptions about transmission of chemicals in semen or sperm, predicted exposure levels of a pregnant woman or of the conceptus are three or more orders of magnitude lower than blood concentrations in the man whose semen is the putative vehicle for chemical transport.

PMID: 15834901 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The transport of chemicals in semen.
Birth Defects Res B Dev Reprod Toxicol. 2005 Apr;74(2):119-31.

* Klemmt L,
* Scialli AR.

College of William and Mary, Williamsburg, Virginia, USA.

Three mechanisms have been proposed for exposure of the conceptus to chemicals in semen: access of chemicals to the maternal circulation after absorption from the vagina, direct chemical exposure of the conceptus following transport from the vagina to the uterine cavity, and delivery to the egg and subsequent conceptus of chemical bound to the sperm cell. We review published data for each of these three mechanisms. Human seminal fluid chemical concentrations are typically similar to or lower than blood concentrations, although some antimicrobial agents achieve higher concentrations in semen than in blood. Vaginal absorption of medications has been shown to occur, although the vehicles in which these medications are delivered to the vagina may maintain contact with the vaginal epithelium to a greater extent than does semen. Assuming total absorption of a seminal dose of a chemical with a high semen:blood concentration ratio, distribution within the recipient woman would result in a blood concentration at least three orders of magnitude lower than that in the man. Direct delivery of seminal chemicals into the uterine cavity of humans has not been shown to occur, although it may occur in species such as the rat in which seminal fluid has access to the uterine cavity. Chemicals in or on human sperm cells have been demonstrated with respect to tetracycline and cocaine in vitro and aluminum, lead, and cadmium in vivo. The in vitro cocaine study offers sufficiently quantitative data with which to predict that oocyte concentrations would be five orders of magnitude lower than blood concentrations associated with cocaine abuse, assuming a maximally cocaine-bound sperm were capable of fertilizing. Thus, even using liberal assumptions about transmission of chemicals in semen or sperm, predicted exposure levels of a pregnant woman or of the conceptus are three or more orders of magnitude lower than blood concentrations in the man whose semen is the putative vehicle for chemical transport.

PMID: 15834901 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

This has been added to the archive here if anyone is interestd.

[Corksil]

*brings back dead thread*

Extensive LSD usage = buildup in body. Ejaculation into mouth of willing female = could produce LSD state? SWIM thinks it's highly possible. SWIM will post back with results of experiment, when he finds test subjects.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by mystereo2099

*brings back dead thread*

Extensive LSD usage = buildup in body. Ejaculation into mouth of willing female = could produce LSD state? SWIM thinks it's highly possible. SWIM will post back with results of experiment, when he finds test subjects.

*applauds effort for the sake of science.*

[enquirewithin]

Sexually Transmitted Psychedelic= STP. That could cause a lot of freak outs!

[Paracelsus]

Extensive LSD usage = buildup in body.

Really? It doesn't stay in your spinal fluid, dood.