Health - Nausea?

[bewilderment]

So, swim and her wife tried ketamine via intramuscular injection not long ago. They both had approximately 90mg each. Swim experienced no particularly remarkable effects. However, swim's wife seemed to K-hole, but around the half hour mark she suddenly became very nauseous. She spent the majority of the rest of the trip vomiting up everything in her stomach.

Swim wants to IM ketamine again at a higher dosage, but is concerned about the nausea after seeing her wife's reaction (although she reported a very nice and intense trip). Swim knows that her wife tends to have a weaker stomach than swim when it comes to chemicals so I'm wondering how common it is to vomit when using ketamine through IM.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to reduce the nausea? Swim was considering taking one dramamine (the less drowsy version) but doesn't know how safe that would be, any ideas?

Also, swim used the deltoid muscle as the injection site and knows that one is only supposed to use up to 1cc of liquid in this area. She recalls reading somewhere of a person using two injections sites, injecting half in one area and the other half in a different area. He reported that the effects were "smoother" that way. Could the nausea have anything to do with the fact that a full dosage is being administered in 1cc in this particular muscle? Or, does anyone have an opinion about using two injection sites?

[trip.more]

I would suggest refraining from eating at least 12 hours before the experience.This is pretty common with ketamine and most anesthetics.

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thanks for that advise

[bewilderment]

Well, that was also the strange thing: She hadn't eaten anything aside from a bit of yogurt early in the morning...at least 12 hours beforehand from what I recall. That's also why she kept throwing up and dry heaving because she just didn't have anything to expel from her stomach.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Although SWIM has never used K IM he has insufflated 250mg. He has never had a weak stomach for anything besides way too much alcohol. He experienced no nausea. If you dont tend to have a weak stomach then id go for it again without the use of dramamine, because as im positive you already know multiple CNS depressants are a no-no usually. But if you really feel you must do something to prevent the nausea try the two injection site trick but wait a couple minutes between injections, thatll probably make the come up less intense which is what i assume causes the nausea. Hope everything works out for you and you have a great time K is a great drug when the dose is right for you.

[Psych0naut]

I hope SWIY was trip-sitting his wife so he could roll her on her side to prevent her from inhaling vomit, otherwise she could have suffocated.
She might try it again, but if she has to vomit again SWIM suggests she stops with this as it's to great of a risk that she might suffocate when vomiting.
SWIM hopes the dramamine works because it would be a shame if she couldn't do ketamine anymore.

[arman]

SWIM thinks dramamine (or diphenhydramine) can make the trip even harder to remember. as it makes you less alert.

SWIM thinks SWIY should just don't move at all, any move can trigger nausea, and vomiting.

SWIM also suggest SWIY to has an empty stomach (as she did) to prevent vomiting during trip which can be dangerous if there is no trip-sitter present.

anyway, SWIY may induce vomiting before trip to be sure that her stomach is empty. this way she also reduce neusea to some degree.

the two injections method, may just help slower onset and less intense come up. (as said by SWIIHrtHalucingens) but SWIM really doubts if it can really help reduce the nausea.

last suggestion is to have enough sugar in you blood, althought SWIM never read it anywhere, but he thinks (from his personal experience) that eating some food containing a lot of sugar (small amount of food) 5 minutes before trip can help reduce bad feeling after trip (if you feel kind of weakness in your head).

but SWIM never experienced nausea while he doesn't move his head. and I think SWIY shouldn't move/walk it at least 45 minutes after the trip.
instead of moving SWIM always close-his eyes and can see whatever his thinks of, he can create images easily in his brain and watch them like a movie.

[Fantasian]

SWIF has used Cyclizine with Ketamine before as he commonly experience a degree of Nausea. It did make the experience much more difficult to piece together and remember however the experience itself was very pleasurable and interesting.

Insufflation definately gives SWIF less nausea than IM injection however the experience is definately not as rich. Good luck with trying to find an alternative and if SWIY does use Dramamine let us know how it goes. Good luck.

[bewilderment]

Thanks for the suggestions thus far. Swim isn't sure that her wife is going to repeat the experiment due to the intense nausea she experienced, but swim is definately going to try again since her trip was unremarkable (just a slight head change...very minor visuals for about 20 min. and that was it) and she wants to find out what this chem is all about. Swim was trip-sitting her wife and kept a very close eye on her during all of the vomiting. She had to help her get back and forth to the bathroom due to the fact that she was incredibly off-balance and then swim watched to make sure she didn't fall down in there. Eventually, she went to get a bag from downstairs so her wife didn't have to leave the room. She reported that the experience was quite pleasurable aside from the vomiting (she didn't start getting nauseous until around the 30 min. mark). She initially said that she might want to try again, but hasn't mentioned it much since...and her schedule has been very busy anyway so it's doubtful that she'll repeat anytime in the near future.

Swim is planning on trying it out sometime this week. Possibly even tonight or tomorrow. She definately noticed how the nausea seemed to be associated with movement. Swim laid down in bed for the duration of the trip (about 45 min.) but once she felt more coordinated and got up to move around to prepare a dose for her spouse she started to feel a little nauseous. Once she laid back down she was fine again. It also may have been partly due to the fact that her wife wanted to sit up in bed during the beginning of the trip and watch some music videos online (this only lasted about 5 min. or so though as she lost visual contact with reality) before lying down whereas swim immediately reclined and stayed put. Then, she suspects that going back and forth to the bathroom didn't help with her wife's nausea.

Swim knows about mixing downers together, but the dosage is typically 2 pills and swim is only planning on maybe taking one...maybe not. And, it's the less-drowsy version at least and swim usually does not feel sedated with it (she has a bit of tolerance to chems that induce drowsiness due to chronic insomnia so that could play a role). Then again, she's not sure if it's actually necessary since she knows that her wife often vomits on certain chemicals that swim never had problems with. This is why she was asking how common it is to vomit on ketamine. If it's not all that common then she may skip the dramamine because she tends to have a rather strong stomach.

Also, she is thinking that she should up the dosage to around 120mg since 90mg didn't do much and she doesn't want to waste even more without getting more noticeable effects. Does 120mg sound about right? Also, consider that she has a high tolerance to DXM (even though she doesn't use it anymore) which seems to have significant cross-tolerance. She is also now well-introduced to ketamine via insufflation. She's gone through about a gram via this route in the past week.

[bewilderment]

Just letting people know that this thread may not be updated with an actual experience report for some time. Swim was saving enough of her ketamine to try the injection route again tonight, but she had it lying on a stone tile on the kitchen table covered with paper and something to weigh down the paper to keep the K covered. And, she just discovered that at some point one of swim's cats was let into the house briefly and apparently peed on the paper covering the ketamine, soaking through and basically dissolving the substance into the paper. *sigh* Swim has been having similar bad luck for the last couple of weeks, when will it end? Must've been that damn hat on the bed...swim is going to go mope a bit now.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Sorry to hear that bewilderment, having cats and dogs myself I know the pain. They always find a way to cause problems lol either eating things or knocking stuff off tables. Hope your luck turns around for your next try!

[Fantasian]

That sucks, sorry to hear it. Good luck with SWIY's experience whenever he/she has it.

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by IHrtHalucingens

Sorry to hear that bewilderment, having cats and dogs myself I know the pain. They always find a way to cause problems lol either eating things or knocking stuff off tables. Hope your luck turns around for your next try!

That they do. Swim has lost two pipes due to cats knocking them over (although partially her fault for leaving them somewhere to be knocked over and broken, but who can be bothered to put the pipe up in some high place out of reach EVERY time a person smokes...that's the last thing on swim's mind after smoking)...then, a friend was generous enough to give her one of his old pipes and she broke that one as well, although, that was her own fault completely. Swim also had one of her dogs eat about an 1/8th of schwag that was sitting on the kitchen table. She didn't realize at the time that the dog could reach on top of the table, but found out the hard way. Man, that dog was hard to deal with that night, peed everywhere but calmed down by morning.

Blegh, but swim can't say anything too negative. Her dog of six years (not the one mentioned above, she had two dogs) just died last week...but, at least he never ate her pot. Nonetheless, it further drives home the notion that swim is a dog person and not a cat person (they seem to do the most damage these days). Although, her wife is a cat person, but then again that's the lesbian stereotype

Anyway, swim will eventually get around to it, but doesn't know if it will be a month or two months...probably no longer than that. Swim just used up her ration of money that she can spend on drugs and doesn't plan on ordering or purchasing anything special for the next few weeks like ketamine...but, then again, her birthday is in two weeks so she may give in and order something extra eventually. So, I'll post an update for swim whenever that happens.

Just all sorts of bad luck happening these days which is why I mentioned "the hat on the bed". For those who don't recognize the reference, it's a quote in "drugstore cowboy" that a hat on the bed is worth X many years of bad luck. Funnily enough, about a month ago swim was joking around about that and laid around with a hat on the bed for most of the day. But, I'm not actually superstitious, especially over something from a movie.

[Nagognog2]

Ketamine is a smell found in a veterinarian's office. Cat's hate going to the vet. Cat couldn't find a vet to pee on. Cat sought out the next best thing. Smart kitty!