Salvia Divinorum Tincture

Swim is deciding on buying a tincture of salvia... Its cheap for 1/2 oz. I was wandering how many drops swim should take if there is 22mg in a 1/2 oz???

He has have smoked salvia twice before, once 5x and 10x. It didnt do what swim thought it would do... they were both standerdized extracts. Hopefully swim will get a good full blown journey on this ticture...

[ganja420]

I hear tincture all the time when talking about salvia, but what is it??? by the way, I hope you recieve the journy you're seeking.

[cyalume]

Originally Posted by ganja420

I hear tincture all the time when talking about salvia, but what is it??? by the way, I hope you recieve the journy you're seeking.

its salvinorin-A diluted in a alcohol.. salvinorin isnt absorbed in the digestive tract so you hold the tincture in your mouth and it absorbs through the tissues in the mouth

Originally Posted by Guest

Swim is deciding on buying a tincture of salvia... Its cheap for 1/2 oz. I was wandering how many drops swim should take if there is 22mg in a 1/2 oz???

He has have smoked salvia twice before, once 5x and 10x. It didnt do what swim thought it would do... they were both standerdized extracts. Hopefully swim will get a good full blown journey on this ticture...

the tincture is really more for the subtle effects of savlia, i have read full blown crazy trips with this are unlikely, although i do not know from first hand experience

[CJMFilm]

Swim just got a tincture of Salvia. Was not what he was looking for and a waste of cash...


It was very mild

the liquid burns and swim's tongue was sore the whole next day from the alcohol


and to top it off you have to keep the horrid liquid under you tongue for 15 minutes. It was releaxing and swim could tell something was there, but it really was mild and not what he wanted out of his first salvia experience.

[WhiteRyan]

I agree with CJMFilm:


Yeah swim paid xxxxx for a 1/2 ounce of the tincture. Took it home, put on a playlist and put half the bottle in his mouth for 10 minutes, spit it out. And like a trooper swim threw the other half in for another 10 minutes and swallowed.


The effects were so weak for $xxxx. The alcohol did indeed burn for the first couple minutes. Expecially since swim brushed his teeth and used mouthwash to make it absorb better. And the taste wont leave your mouth for a while, its gooey and taste like a nasty old plant in your mouth.


Avoid the product it will not be what your looking for. And wont do much.

[London_Bloke]

SWIM's curiosity got the best of her. She purchased a small amount from a well-known vendor. SWIM realizes she speaks for no one but herself and her SO when she says:

YUKKY

SWIM follows directions well and started with a small amount (2 droppers full - a light dose), diluted to reduce painful sting. Luckily, both SWIM and SO put a trashcan next to the bed. In about 5-6 minutes SWIM felt her mouth overflowing with spittle, and SO felt the same. The burning wasn't intolerable, but once the spitting started it seemed as though the taste would never leave and SWIM's SO got a short case of heave-ho. None of this would be so bad if it weren't for one small thing: Zero effect.... Zilch.... Nada. Both SWIM and SO have smoked before so although this was a new route to Lady Sally's house, both knew where she lived. The net result was gagging, mouths full of terrible-tasting saliva/salvia and no experience to show for it.

SWIM feels terribly let down. If there's a trick to this, SWIM is all ears - she would love to hear it from someone who has the 4-1-1 on this stuff.

[bman1]

Did one swallow the drop?
Sally needs to be sublingual

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by bman1

Did one swallow the drop?
Sally needs to be sublingual

Of course it was sublingual. That was part of the problem: to withstand the sensation of having SWIM's mouth slowly fill with spit and being unable to swallow. Awful. No, none of it was swallowed.

Alfa: On Daniel Siebert's website, he advocates diluting the tincture to avoid burns. So it increases the volume one must place under the tongue, and as the salivary glands kick into high gear...... you can imagine the rest.

[London_Bloke]

One more time, just to see if SWIM was wrong.

She wasn't. She tried it straight this time, keeping each dropperful under the tongue until she couldn't stand it any longer, spat, then tried another dropperful, held for a total of about 6 minutes. A very mild body high at 3 droppers, lasted about 10 minutes. SWIM got brave and added a small bowl of 6x. SWIM is very sorry for it, too.

Today, SWIM has skin peeling in sheet from under her tongue. Damn, SWIM can be dumb.

Lesson learned....

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[Alfa]

Daniel Siebert once explained to SWIM when he first made Salvia divinorum tincture that Salvinorum needed to be in very pure alcohol, or it wouldn't work. He wanted SWIM to try it, but told SWIM it burned as hell and leave blisters, because of the alcohol purity. So SWIM declined. SWIM is not sure about why it salvia tincture wouldn't work with a lower percentage of alcohol, since it was quite a while ago.

[melt_000]

i keep hearing about people getting their mouths burned by these tinctures people are selling. seriously if doing sublingual, just take the extract and put it in swim mouth. swim personally has always took the extract, put in a bowl with iso alcohol, and draw the green liquid up with a dropper and drop that on some paper or gum and let it dry. as far as swim know it's not at all necessary to have the alcohol in your mouth.

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by melt_000

seriously if doing sublingual, just take the extract and put it in swim mouth.

SWIM is not sure why communication surrounding this issue seems so baffling.

Sub = under
Lingua = tongue

SWIM put the stuff under her tongue - AS DIRECTED. SWIM got burned by the alcohol that is supposed to expedite the absorption of Salvinorin A. She followed directions to the letter. She did not 'wing it" or try something a little more risky. She tried it dilute and she tried it straight - both practices recommended by manufacturer. Not all the mucosa of the mouth are endowed with the same blood supply and under the tongue is a very efficient route of transmission. Ask anyone who takes nitroglycerin for angina.

The "traditional" route you mention was quidding, no alcohol. The idea of chewing a cud really doesn't appeal to SWIM.

SWIM will agree with that last statement of your second post- disconnected. SWIM apologizes in advance and promises she is not being snide. Seriously. SWIM just has no idea what it is you are trying to say.

[FleshJoe]

Originally Posted by melt_000

i keep hearing about people getting their mouths burned by these tinctures people are selling. seriously if doing sublingual, just take the extract and put it in swim mouth. swim personally has always took the extract, put in a bowl with iso alcohol, and draw the green liquid up with a dropper and drop that on some paper or gum and let it dry. as far as swim know it's not at all necessary to have the alcohol in your mouth.

And what kind of experience did that give SWIY?

[melt_000]

the traditional use of sublingual didn't involve alcohol did it? sry about my multiple posts, i think pretty diconnected thoughts..

[captainofcrush]

Since it seems everyone has a hard time keeping tincture drops in their mouth due to bad taste and the burning sensation, I was wondering if anyone had tried dropping it in a sugar cube. Has this method worked? Did it reduce the burn and awful taste of the liquid?

[mouthwater]

Tinctures are generally meant to be diluted in water, as Daniel Siebert on his webpage at /elixirtable.html. Unfortunately, after dilution, the liquid is less potent. Think of it like this: There is a tub of black ink, and SWIY dips their hand into it. SWIMs hand is dyed black. This is undiluted. If SWIM dilutes the tub of black ink with copious amounts of water, and SWIM dips their hand into it, their hand won't dye as black. This is a diluted mixture. (Analogy stolen; aka, not mine.)

It is for this reason that SWIM believes that dropping the liquid onto a sugar cube is simply another way to dilute the substance, making it less potent. Furthermore, the tincture is meant to be used sublingually (under the tongue). It may be too difficult for SWIY to keep an entire sugar cube underneath their tongue.

[Sinocard]

SWIM purchased a half ounce of salvia tincture, but cannot get any effects out of it. SWIM has smoked salvia several times in the past, with great results, but for some reason cannot get a trip (Or any feelings at all) from using a salvia tincture. Advice?

[Salvinorin A]

How does SWIY use it. Does SWIY put an amount in his/her mouth and hold it under the tongue for 20 min?

State the dose and complete method of ingestion (like what SWIY does to ingest it).

The proper was is to estimate the dose, and put it under ur tongue (which can be painful with certain tinctures) and then just wait for the trip to come up.

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[Sinocard]

SWIM puts it under his tongue and waits for a while. SWIM has tried lots of different dosages, up to half a dropper full. SWIM is thinking that he should take a whole shitload, then maybe it'll do something useful.

[Alfa]

Be carefull in regards to burning SWIY's mouth.

[Bajeda]

It would seem that Salvia Tinctures aren't especially reliable, or maybe people just have very different expectations of effects than what they get from these products. It sounds like you should expect effects similar to chewing quids of Salvia rather than smoking extracts.

[Bajeda]

Three threads merged...

[seechao]

SWIM has had leaf sittin' in his treasure chest for ages now, he has been considering makeing a tincture, as his last experiment makeing an extract turned into gooey tar that was almost impossible to smoke, and impossible to smoke fast enough. SWIM was wondering how much alcohol to use, and if anything would help absorbtion or taste, etc... He was planning on using some polish vodka at 196 proof for the extraction, with plain old leaf sitting in it for a few weeks. However, SWIM has recently read a bit on DMSO and was wondering if he should just replace the ethanol with DMSO, since keeping strong alcohol under the tongue hurt anyways, why not a few drops of DMSO for a minute or two? Has anyone tried a DMSO base for tinctures? Seems like it may work very well, should even work by holding a few drops in your hand... theoreticaly...

Also, would just leaving a wad of 20x under SWIM's tongue work? possibly with a few drops of strong alcohol to aid absorption... may be less painfull and more powerfull... maybe

[HabitualCriminal]

Swim has ordered some salvia tincture but has been reading on here that the effects are not to great and one of the main problems is the pain and holding it in your mouth for so long. Swim was wondering if by dropping it on say some toilet paper or newspaper and then holding it under swim tounge if this helps any. Swim could probably keep it in his mouth longer by not accidently swallowing it or if the pain is to much it could be removed for a bit an then placed back in until it is dissolved and hopefully swim is nutted lol. Anyone got any thoughts?

[Bajeda]

I think that diluting the substance before attempting sublingual ingestion is the best chance for swiy. He could consume the tincture-mix in stages if necessary.

Just be careful for swiy to not burn his mouth or tongue! Dilution will mean swiy has to use more substance, though he would want to carefully test the waters and make sure to not use a whole lot to counter this effect as it may be too much for him to ingest comfortably.