Methylone + MBDB for MDMA like effects ???

[cadillac555]

From the research SWIM have been able to find, it seems that, objectively, the substances with the most MDMA like effects are

1 Methylone

and

2 MBDB

Now what swim wants to know is :
What about combining these two together ???
Has anyone tried this ??? What kind of dose level has SWIY or would SWIY use ??? Any predictions for possible outcome of the combo ??? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank You

[radiometer]

Take it cautiously...even though you're asking about MBDB, this might be relevant:

SWIM has had unsatisfactory results combing BDB and methylone, and definitely noticed more energy depletion/emotional volatility on the following days than with methylone alone. Interestingly, the combination produced mild yet pronounced phenethylamine-type OEVs. SWIM gave it a few tries, once with methylone + BDB (150mg/50mg) with a BDB booster, and a couple futher times taking boosters of <70mg BDB following 250mg methylone (actually - following 200mg + 50mg later then the BDB).

Sorry if this was confusing, but I wanted to get SWIMs exact doses down right. SWIM thought the combined experience mentioned was actually somewhat alike to MDA (except that he got a lot of nausea, which he did NOT experience when merely boosting with BDB later in thye other experiences), but that it was not really the same. The pile-driver next-few-days effects and the lakc of memory about large chunks ot the night led him to believe and convey to me that this might not be the healthiest combo.

Bottom line: if one has MDMA much better to just take that if one desires MDMA's effects!

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by cadillac555

1 Methylone and 2 MBDB

Now what swim wants to know is :
What about combining these two together ???
Has anyone tried this ??? What kind of dose level has SWIY or would SWIY use ??? Any predictions for possible outcome of the combo ??? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank You

In SWIM's experience MBDB is NOT very MDMA-like at all. It's rather drowsy and alchohol-like in some ways, nor did he like it much (he does, on occasion, like MDMA very much).

I have read many times that MDMA+methylone (should) = MDMA but SWIM would be wary of trying it. It would be very intersting to know if anyone has actually tried this combo, but if you want MDMA why not take MDMA? Methylone has a lot of advantages over its better-known relative.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

I have read many times that MDMA+methylone (should) = MDMA but SWIM would be wary of trying it.

Thats a very interesting equation. What a waste of methylone

...I presume you meant MBDB+methylone (should) = MDMA.

Swim hasn't tried tried MBDB yet, but if he does he will try it with his methylone to test for any synergy.

[Nagognog2]

There are some large unanswered question about long-term toxicity with MBDB, Proceed with extreme caution only. Even less is known about combination of MBDB and XYZ. You only come with one brain - don't cook it.

[cadillac555]

So probably better to stick with with just straight methylone then ????

[nanobrain]

i had some info ontopic here and on BL about the ratios for such admixtures. have no time to dig up linx now, but you must surely have.

[sweetsweetmary]

Any SWIY's know if mixing Eden with Methylone creates a better feeling? This thread went nowhere fast just curious if maybe after a year and a half if someone has heard anything.

[Durd1e]

kk...swim has tried this once. Be careful as it is vastly easier to take too much. Qualitatively it is similar to mdma in the same way both are seperately like mdma ie it is no more similar to mdma than either taken on its own.

It is a pleasant enough combo but made swim feel a bit 'couch-locked'.

Swim's advice...take them seperately as together is more dangerous and not really better, just different (and stronger as you have taken a dose of each).

[radiometer]

I know you're just playing around with EW's words, but to be clear - the effects of MDMA + methylone are notably different than those from MDMA by itself.

[enquirewithin]

I probably should have written that sentence better, but I am sure Radiometer is right. It would be disappointing if that combination was exactly the same as MDMA-- and very unlikely.