Effects - Respect for Datura

[ironmics]

Swim grabbed his bagged of dried datura flowers, a lighter, and a pack of zig zags and set out for a walk around his farm. After not being able to gather the courage to smoke any, he set back for home. About one minute later he was shocked to see a 3 ft tall datura stramonium plant. Feeling that this was some kind of sign he sat down crushed half a flower a smoked it. Very unpleasant tasting smoke. Within 5 minutes he started to feel a mild weed like high. This high is very pleasant and mild, with pretty extreme pupil dilation being the only other noticed effect. Swim is considering smoking an entire flower on his next journey.

[bman1]

Swib thinks one has already read up on this but most find datura very, very unpleasent. Many also say smoking does not get much effect. PLease read through trip reports on this site and here

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Datura.shtml

It is not a recreational drug

[Bajeda]

Respect for Datura isn't enough.


Complete and absolute terror is the only way to go.

[ironmics]

I've read A LOT about datura and am very scared of it, I'm not going to get all excited and make tea out of 5 leaves or anything or ingest it orally period. Thank you for the concern however.

[bman1]

Gald to here one researched it. One should be scared Bajeda is correct when saying Complete and absolute terror is the only way to go. But if one chooses to go for it make sure one has a sitter to stop one from doing anything harmful to oneself or anyone else. It did not seem like one had a sitter when one smoked it.
becareful and hope one enjoys

[LucidDeathTrip]

Datura, Deadly Nightshade, along with all other deliriants are substances I couldn't be paid enough to injest. If one can take these substances and get something rewarding out of the experience than by all means experiment. The whole experience just sounds like hours of psychosis.

[420sublime420]

deliriants are the only drugs that induce pure terror in me. It sounds like suicide. only doing a little bit of datura is like saying i'll just play russian roullette with only one bullet in the chamber. Have fun!

[Nagognog2]

Native people, who have the longest recorded knowledge of these plants, note permenant insanity as a possible conclusion of Datura use. I have personally met people who "played" with Datura, and I have seen what might be permenat insanity as a result. I can't say for sure that their condition was permenant - but they were insane when I met them after a year, or more, since they last used these plants.

[Alicia]

wow insane an old word haven't heard that in a long time nag do they still use that word.. we had guidelines not to use such words in context.when u mean insane do you specifically mean like psychosis or just derailment of personality in all its glories .just curious ..

[Nagognog2]

I am using the word used by the Native Shamans - and they mean business. Here, you decide a word:

Datura-Boy now believes he is on a mission from God. He hears God talking to him in his mind very clearly. And he must spread the word of God to all those he meets. God seems to be quite nasty and judgemental. Datura-Boy lowers his voice and roars out the commands of his God. This has been going on for over a year, and psychiatrists have given up. Medication has been refused.

Before he became Datura-Boy, he was an average, dumb kid with no religious beliefs to speak of.

I've seen this in several people. Same symptomology. I should have locked them all up in a padded-room together and let the better God win!

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

I am using the word used by the Native Shamans - and they mean business. Here, you decide a word:
Datura-Boy now believes he is on a mission from God. He hears God talking to him in his mind very clearly. And he must spread the word of God to all those he meets. God seems to be quite nasty and judgemental. Datura-Boy lowers his voice and roars out the commands of his God. This has been going on for over a year, and psychiatrists have given up. Medication has been refused.
Before he became Datura-Boy, he was an average, dumb kid with no religious beliefs to speak of.
I've seen this in several people. Same symptomology.

could be any number of things but if u have seen the same symptoms in other patients. could be a type of schizophrenia that may or not been dormant before and was triggered by the use of datura. its rare but some people can be unwell for many years with those sort of delusions, delusions of grandeur (if swia spelt that right) if not permanently surprised they stopped medication thats assuming they cant calm them down. with anything seems affective.. its sad really.

[Nagognog2]

1. They were not noted as being religious before Datura.

2. They went on religious psychotic ventures that last at least a year after Datura.

3. This sort of thing is noted by Native Shamans with those who took Datura in an unapproved manner.

The word insane is, of course, antiquainted when we can use all sorts of other descriptives to nail down the variety of disorder. But I'll go along with the Shamans. I spent some time with the Mohawk people and was offered the Wycossan (Datura Strammonium) by the Shaman - which I declined. We did have an interesting talk. Once he realized I wasn't there to play Carlos Castenada with him.

They use a single, huge dose to wipe out the memory of a boy. When he returns to consciousness, he is ready for instruction on what he must now do as he is now a man.

Fools who use this for other purposes may end up wiping out certain aspects of their functional memory - my interpretation from what I was told/witnessed. This results in a functional psychosis that seems to be permenant. This condition seems to be religion-heavy in how the victim interacts with the world. But this is worthy of a 20 year intensive study and a few textbooks. I refuse to devote such time to analyzing the roars of Datura-Boys! Yikes!

My Point: Don't fuck around with Datura! It's not worth the risk.

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Very interesting point. Really helps to know the historical context of datura

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

But I'll go along with the Shamans. I spent some time with the Mohawk people and was offered the Wycossan (Datura Strammonium) by the Shaman - which I declined. We did have an interesting talk. Once he realized I wasn't there to play Carlos Castenada with him.

That must of been an interesting experience nag with the Mohawk people, swia will stick to peyote when she wants religious intoxication or insights .we are aware anyway of the dangers associated with datura. The memory wiping thing and building from scratch sounds fascinating thou The religion part reminds me of Jerusalem syndrome only that lasts until they are there and that can happen to people who have no previous religious experince

[wildbeast]

Yeah I mean like wow: that shit ain't worth the price tag. to follow the path of a yaqui warrior no one has ever seen in person? And an author who kept writing the same series of books even after he said the story was over?

And yet i like casteneda too.

but sorry: Strongly suggest no one fool around with Datura. Nada kids.

Well there is one way i like to "use" Datura: I say a short prayer for guidance whenever i'm around a nice plant.

And then i pray i never get SCHTOOPID enuf to injest the crap...

[Nicaine]

SWIM is frankly a bit annoyed with some of the negative attitudes on this thread. Isn't this a drugs-forum? A place where all substances should be accepted as what they are, chemical substances?

It's worth noting that very small doses of "poisons" have often produced excellent highs. The OP pointed out smoking a very small amount with some pleasant effects, which surprised SWIM not at all... then these other comments, most of which seem to overlook the dosage factor...

[wildbeast]

Well sure but what is the "correct" dosage? People have described various species of datura as having wildly flucuating potency. And others have said that certain portions of the plant also vary in strength. There are a few other problems associated with it too.

Then even the Mod mentioned numerous people who went permanently insane afterwards. Well who the fuck knows? Maybe those types really DO see God all day long and the rest of us are the unfortunates.

So put the whole picture together and no responsible person could ever recommend Datura. Certainly not as a recreational "high" anyway.

I've never ruled out it's uses in some people but it ain't for swim much as he gets curious as to the spiritual experience.

[Neosapien]

Making a whole plant tincture and then working up to a standard dose is simple enough. Not that I'd ever do it. My first conscious memory of encountering datura was only a few years ago, but whenever I touch or smell it, I get a memory flash to being a child and something to do with my Grandmother. The first time this happened was like a punch to the kidneys. I think I dosed as a little kid.
Maybe that's what's wrong with me.

"So put the whole picture together and no responsible person could ever recommend Datura. Certainly not as a recreational "high" anyway."
I would also never recommend LSD, mushrooms, DMT, or mescaline as a recreational high.