rumors you heard about top-secret stuff?

[blah102]

I was wondering if you have heard of any rumors about secrets kept from public from like the government, NASA, alien life, etc. And if so, what did u hear?


Im just curious to hear what people have to say....

[nikonikad]

I never believed in UFO's who comes on earth, in extra terrestric life yes. Then I saw 3 months ago in the news that the Mexican Airforce went to the media, because a plane registrated with the radar and with the infrared camera 11 UFO's, this means that a instrumental error is inpossible.



http://www.atsnn.com/story/49147.html



Now im not sure if the Ojects were Aliens or New US Airforce planes.

[markdahman]

Im unknowledgable about this event altho i am kinda curious any one els sceptical about the whole area 51/rosewell shit?

[P4nic]

UFO doesn't mean automatically aliens


UFO = Unidentified Flying Object, so that could also be something from earth, the viewer at that moment couldn't indentify.


In my opinion too many people search for conspiracies because it's fun to talk about and they get attention.

[P!MPJU!C3]

What about top secret company information?



I was reading my fathers documents and finding out what a prick he is. Hes firing all sorts of people with families whom they need 2 support so that he can buy himself a new car or something.



Their r somethings u dont want 2 know and this is one of them. This is one of the momemts i think the communist idealogy makes some sense.



Ohyeah and Hitler was gay. He fucked a taxi driver in a barn in France.

[RoboCop]

Hehe well of course your going to hear bad things about hitler because so many people in the world hate him, but I wouldn't believe any of it because I garantee people just made it up to make fun of hitler. (note, im the a fan of hitler by any meens, just a fan of using common sense)

[blah102]

yeah ive read lots about gov. stuff and the planes, area 51 stuff, all that ufo/alien shit.


yes the gov does make new planes at area 51, or used to i know of. Like some of the things the workers were making were sooo top secret, they made the workers work in the dark kinda just so they couldn't see what they wree working on.....


And ufo's on earth, yeah i know that aliens and stuff like that do come on earth, just some of these "ufos" on radar also are planes the gov dont let us know about but also are ufos too.


And also, I just know that the gov knows about how ufos work (like them supposed alien aircraft) and all that stuff. I saw a show and what i do remember this guy said was that ufos are "charged" by something like anaman reactors and that also aliens have such high tech stuff, these ufo's contain "gravity amplifiers" now tell me, is that fuckin above our tech or what!?!?!? gravity amplifiers!!! damn!!

[GIR_]

First off I LOVE THIS FORUM! Sorry bout the caps thing just love it here so many good posts.


Just to get this clear yes i believe that there is a good chance that we are not alone in this universe yah know what are the odds that only 1 planet out of the hundreds of billions has life on it. I am skeptical that aliens come to earth and take us into their space ships and poke is with pointy metal sticks. those are just my opinions.


Conspiracy's appeal to people because they make them think about what could be. I personally love watching all of those alien shows and such. Just remember when talking about UFO's like someone else in here posted means that the person who saw them just didn't know what they were. I hope that someday we all find out that we are not alone. I just hope they are nice cause i dont want to end up facing those guys off of Independance da

[Lynchx]

I think there are real aliens out there we cannot be the only living cells around the hole universe

[BCgirl]

99% of news media is censored in the US esp ones like ABC, NBC and CNN.


Check out for some eye opening stuff Edited by: BA

[Woodman]

I think that insects have far more intelligence than we
give them credit for; and I believe that Cockroaches
are the REAL rulers of the world.

We build them shelter. We provide their food. We kill
them regularly, sometimes in large numbers, but
still they come. We like to think that we are
prosperous, but it's really the cockroaches that are
the ones who are thriving.

We are outnumbered and perpetually manipulated
by them.

They control us.
We are their slaves!Edited by: woodman

[discobloodbath]

if you like hearing about ghosts, ufos, government coverups, planets, end of the world, any thing along those lines than try listening to "coast to coast" .. its an A.M radio show hosted (or was) by art bell and george something... its a very intresting show,covers all that stuff. has alot of authors, scientists, psychics etc on his show from time to time.. and intresting callers coast to coast

[joevette]

There are supposed to be about a billion solar systems with about a billion stars in each and each of those stars generally has some planets. Now, I think it's crazy not to believe that one of those planets could have some type of intellegent life on it. Hell, we even found bacteria on Mars. That's not intellegent but it's just next door. I'd say that's a good start!

[discobloodbath]

i agree with you joevette.. There are more stars than grains of sand on the earth... with all those stars theres bound to be one that has a planet just the right distance away from its sun for the conditions of life..

[Woodman]

I think you may be confusing a Galaxy with a Solar
System.

Yes, galaxies are known to contain hundreds of
milliond of stars, each star a potential center of its
own Solar System.

There was a formula worked out by astronomer
Francis Drake (I seem to recall he did work with C.
Segan out of Aricibo in Puerto Rico, but maybe I'm
mixed up) in the '50's or '60's about the potential for
Earth being the only planet in the universe to contain
life.
It was like gazillion-to-one chance.

So long a go I can barely remember.
It's gotta be my age, you know.

[lain]

that would be the drake equation



http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious...SETI/drake_equ ation.html



did a high school paper on SETI



anyway its

<h1 align="center">N = N*</font> fp</font> ne</font>
fl</font> fi</font> fc</font>
fL</font></h1>

[Dualpower]

The possibility of intelligent life originating on Earth itself was
very slim. If you re-ran the universe again there is a good chance it
wouldn't have happened. So the scarcity of Earth type planets is only
the beginning for eliminating the possibility that there is life out
there.



In order to realistically assess the possibility of intelligent life in
the universe, you need to be able to calculate the probability of
intelligent life in optimal conditions. Since we have only scratched
the surface of our own evolution, any predictions floating around out
there about other intelligent life are pure guess work. There are too
many unknowns.



Another limiting factor in the whole equation is that for it to really
matter, intelligent life has to exist in an envelope of space where we
will be able to see or contact it.



I don't mean to put a damper on the whole idea, just to suggest that
proving the inevitability of intelligent life in the universe is an
overzealous task to attempt considering the limits of our current
knowledge.

[lain]

"just to suggest that
proving the inevitability of intelligent life in the universe is an
overzealous task to attempt considering the limits of our current
knowledge."



if anyone could translate that for me itd be grateful

[xctico]

There are several problems with applying statistics to the analisis to
wether or not there is intelligent life outside of earth [or inside
washington...] the main problem is that we only have sampled one out of
trillons of possible sistems [our own], so it would be like running a
presidential election poll asking just one guy; the margin of error is
nearly 100%!.

So we'll just have to wait for new evidence.



On other conspiracies, how about the MKULTRA project, that was a nice
one. I wonder what the CIA is up to now on the psyops front...?

[Dualpower]

if anyone could translate that for me itd be grateful

heh .. sorry..



"It's dumb to think you can prove there is intelligent life out there, since we don't even know how it came about here"

[xctico]

Originally Posted by Dualpower

heh .. sorry..



"It's dumb to think you can prove there is intelligent life out there, since we don't even know how it came about here"

It is also foolish to search for intelligent life outthere,
before we determine wether or not there's intelligent life on Earth...

[Woodman]

Originally Posted by Dualpower

It's dumb to think you can
prove there is intelligent life out there ...

It is not illogical to hypothesize a probability of
extraterrestrial intelligence any more than it was for
Colombus to hypothesize that the earth was a round
sphere, or for Aristarchus and Copernicus to
suggest that the earth actually revolved around the
sun.Edited by: woodman

[xctico]

Originally Posted by woodman

It is not illogical to hypothesize a probability of

extraterrestrial intelligence any more than it was for

Colombus to hypothesize that the earth was a round

sphere, or for Aristarchus and Copernicus to

suggest that the earth actually revolved around the

sun.

The only problem is the lack of information or tools
for obtaining such information. Either Hipotesis [yes - no] could be
sustained equally.

"Time will tell" Bob Marley

[Dualpower]

It is not illogical to hypothesize a probability of


extraterrestrial intelligence any more than it was for


Colombus to hypothesize that the earth was a round


sphere, or for Aristarchus and Copernicus to


suggest that the earth actually revolved around the


sun.

There is a difference. You provided examples of observable phenomena.
The Earth is round. I can figure this out with objective observations.
Discovering the probability of the Earth being round requires a lot
more knowledge than discovering that it is round. Similarily,
aliens could visit us tomorrow, but this wouldn't allow conclusions
about the probability of such a thing happening.



How do I objectively assess the probability of something I know little
about? I cannot. When you don't know enough about the conditions
surrounding and event, your predictions must rely heavily on subjective
guesses.



Knowledge about the evolution of intelligent life is guess work
right now. It is a very hard thing to put together. If we don't know
how intelligent life evolved on our planet, then how can we calculate
a probability for its occurance? (I mean a probability that we
can have any confidence in, obviously you can calculate anything you
want if you don't care if it's true or not)



Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the search is futile. I'm
saying that you can't realistically determine the probability of
intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe with our state of
knowledge.

[jose1]

As far as I can tell there is no intellengence in the whitehouse. Not
in the FBI and not in Bushes head. It would seem by now we would
fight our wars much quicker than we do, seeing how we have all the
capabilities to do so. It's amazing this quality doesn't hit more
people over the head more often.



"For the People, by the People". You can kiss that one good bye!



And the craziest part about it is that these people in power are the dicks we could not stand in high school and college.



As far as intelligent life forms from other planets there is
speculation that most of these aliens come from other dimensions.
Check out Michio Kaku's, Parallel Worlds. He explains why we are
not alone in easy to undrstand writing and he is highly regarded in the
science community. Or if you are lucky, become freinds with a
Native American. They take their understaning of life very
seriously and know alot. Alot of there knowledge comes from
the mindscape. Which I would think for anyone in this forum would
be a delightful experience. They have spent centuries exploring
and researching the unkown. If you do some reading about this on
your own you will find that it is not bullshit.



I spent some time in this mindscape while having vivid dreams. I
have also spent alot of time reading about our world through science,
government and spiritual materials. It took me a while to
properly dicpher my dreams. Initially, dreams my appear to say
one thing, but at the heart of it they are saying another. It
took alot of reading to have the light turn on for me. The
connection was pretty awesome. Once you are able to work with the
dreamscape then you will find some of the missing puzzle pieces.
I have found in some of these dreams, pure parts of me that linger in
some other world. I have found with these experiences that I have
become more tolerant and not so ready to destroy things. I would
say that it is the oneness factor that evey shaman talks about.
However, I have a feeling it's alot more than that. Eitheir way
it will make you sick to your stomach when you try and relate this
experience with some of the bonehead shit these politicians are
pulling. These experiences will also help as a defense mechinism
for the future. It is going to get awfully dark soon.
Something along the lines of book burnings and severe monitoring of the
masses for control purposes. And it will all seem to be madison
ave. to us while they are doing it.



What is the most damaging to this world is we have lost the sense of
exploration of the unknown. Coporate freaks and politicians have
destroyed the ability to come into contact with the unknow. They
have put a large amount of time into to the controlling and sculpting
of a bland world. A world of the flesh and not of the mind.




The science is now lining up with the science fiction. Pay attention very intently, read and unfold your mind.



Be a true warrior and fight banality.