Which Kratom to get?

[chilliker]

Whcich of these should I get to feel its effect at its highest?

-Premium Kratom Leaf (Mitragyna speciosa)
-Whole Leaf Thai Korth Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa)
-Kratom Standardized 10x Extract (Mitragyna speciosa)
-Kratom Standardized 15x Extract (Mitragyna speciosa)
-Kratom Super Powder (Mitragyna speciosa)
-Kratom Resin Extract (Mitragyna speciosa)

[Nicaine]

The first one you listed (Bali commercial grade leaf) is by far the most cost-effective. Sometimes it's even stronger than the so-called higher grades, which have been sitting there finely powdered, losing potency. If you get it, try and get the crushed leaves and grind it yourself in a blender or coffee grinder.

Resin extract is interesting but ultimately a waste of time in SWIM's opinion. Unless you really get ill drinking leaf tea (which can be capsulized BTW), or badly need the convenience.

Kratom Standardized 15x Extract -- VERY potent, but also expensive. Only for the occasional user. If you fit into that category of using it rarely, go for this without hesitating.

Kratom Standardized 10x Extract -- This is brand new, specific to one or two sellers, and AFAIK nobody has reported on it yet. Stick with 15x extract for now, as it comes directly from the company that supplies kratom to most of the world.

The whole leaf would probably be very effective, but (A) you would need to grind it yourself, and (B) my guess is it's quite expensive.

Hope this helps.

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Nice info, thanks.

[chilliker]

thanks it actually helps alot

[allyourbase]

any info on the super powder? every entheo purveyor and their mother seems to carry it.

[Alfa]

My first reaction with this thread was to delete it and warn the OP as it borders the discussion of sources very close. I have edited the Opening Post instead, so that it would not be the discussion of the product list of a certain kratom source.

I agree with the Nicaine except on the kratom 15X extract. Experiences from many members show this kratom is twice as potent as The Korth/Thai kratom leaf. It should say kratom 2X extract.
SWIM likes the Thai/Korth kratom leaf the best, but others do not mind the intake of large quantities of premium kratom, which is the most cost effective kratom.

[chilliker]

sorry about the post... never meant it to be about the suppliers... also i have a question... what would happened if instead of doing a Kratom Reduction with alcohol i put some kratom in some 80 proof vodka and distill it? would that work? Anyone done this?

[snapper]

The whole leaf has a better effect than an extract, and it has been said that the extracts on the market now were hard to develop. SWIM finds that leaf is best. If the volume is too much pack the leaf powder into capsules and swallow. SWIM has also found some differences in different batches and origins of leaf - some are more stimulating, some more narcotic. Trial and error is probably a good idea to settle on what is best for each person.

[nera]

Swim's personal favorite is to use a capping machine, your choice, and cap some of the super premium thai powder, swim finds that to be the most cost effective way to do it. Lots of places sell it, and Swim doesnt think it really is thai, because lots of the thai trees have been cut due to it being illegal in thailand. But dollar for dollar it is the best you can get. About 2gr is good for a new person. That is the way to go according to swim. It should also be noted, for new people, that most if not all of the kratom around comes from the same place, so price check, you would be hard pressed to find much difference between the sites. I go with the best customer service.

-- Nera

P.S Drinking and typing don't go together well

[Nicaine]

By the way, just a P.S. -- if SWIY ends up with a powdered kratom product (either grinding it yourself or buying it that way) and decides to make kratom tea, SWIM recommends drinking the solids at the bottom of the glass/pot along with the liquid. It makes the high last a full 6 hours, rather than just 3 or 4 with liquid alone (due to intestinal absorption of remaining hard-to-extract alkaloids). *Very* well worth the tradeoff in disgusting taste/texture. Gelcapping works as well (as snapper and nera noted), but tea takes effect more quickly and it's easier to regulate one's dosage in small increments.

[snapper]

Is the consensus that the thai leaf is stronger than the bali leaf, or that the effect is qualitatively different ? SWIM does not find it to be much more potent than Balinese leaf, but it does seem to have a more opiate-like effect. Has anyone tried the red veined variety or the white-veined variety alone? Apparently they are different, but SWIM cannot tell what kind from the dry leaf... SWIM was wondering if the Bali and Thai varieties were mixed...

[radiometer]

SWIM far prefers the cheaper Bali leaf.

[Female]

SWIM finds the whole leaf to be most effective, well worth the price for an occasional user. Lasted her for months! And more effective for her is to actually eat the crushed leaves mixed with applesauce, pudding, etc. Making tea didn't make the high last as long as it did when she ate it, and she also didn't notice any of the cool waking dreams when she just made the tea.

[Alfa]

SWIM has the best experience so far with Kratom high quality leaves:
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[dwilkes7]

Great post. I was wondering about other experiences with Kratom. Swim has been using Kratom for about 3 years and things have seemed to get a lot more sophisticated since then.

After experimenting with almost all of the different preparations offered, with the exception of the resin (swim thinks it's too expensive for the regular user), I have settled down to just 2 products that work consistantly well. Swim only buys 10X or 15X powder. To swim, the differance is too subtle to even notice. Swim usually buys no less than 48 - 50 gm at a time while comparing the prices at several sources.

Swim's quick hints, make sure it is bagged correctly. Either a double hi grade(feels thick) ziplock, or a heat sealed thick (swim thinks it would be called a bag) bag. It looks clear on the front with a silver or gold colered back. Swim has experienced some undesirable results with anything less (easily torn, potency degradation,etc...).

[Richi]

Swim found a source of 15X Kratom, in 1g packages. It is pretty expensive though, how much of 15X is a standard dose?

[Proven]

SWIM has used Bali many times and does not care of it...it has been effective but seems to give a clam mild sedation. SWIM likes 15X, 250X and Indo as these give swim an intense high with energy and euphoria. SWIM only issue with extracts is he can take for a week but must take equal or more time off to keep getting pleasure without burning a hole in SWIMS pocket.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Proven

SWIM has used Bali many times and does not care of it...it has been effective but seems to give a clam mild sedation. SWIM likes 15X, 250X and Indo as these give swim an intense high with energy and euphoria. SWIM only issue with extracts is he can take for a week but must take equal or more time off to keep getting pleasure without burning a hole in SWIMS pocket.

How much 15X does swiy use each time? Tea, or can swiy smoke it?

[AceOvArts]

smoking Kratom is pretty much a pointless exercise. The waste really outweighs the benefits. SWIM suggests capping or just basic Toss n Wash.