Na-GHB VS. K-GHB

[Domspun]

In liquid form, what is your opinion on them?

Na-GHB tend to be yellow in low water concentration. How can SWIM achieve a high density while keeping the solution transparent?

[Senor Gribson]

Na-GHB should still be clear in high concentrations, it becomes yellowish if it contains impurities. the only way to make it colourless would be for swiy to obtain a more pure form of GHB.
why does swiy need a perfectly clear solution anyway? the yellowish colour might prevent him from mistaking it for something else.

[Psych0naut]

But the impurities might also be harmful, it might come from impure NaOH or any other substances other than GHB.

[Ruud]

Sometimes, the cooker let the ghb to long and when all the water in de solution is evaporated, the temperature is getting to high and the ghb will burn so it turns yellow or in the worst case brown.

But what Swip sayd: Maybe there are inpurities in it and Swim don't thrust yellow or brown ghb and he only takes clear ghb.

[fishinabottle]

I don´t think yellow color shows something unhealthy, it´s just a discoloration nothing else.

No difference between Na an K GHB. Both is a waste of perfect good GBL though IMHO.

[Senor Gribson]

in swim's experiences, impure GHB means tap water was used in cooking it rather than distilled water, and it is still safe to take. of course swim did overlook the fact that if this was purchased off the street, it could as psychonaut said contain some serious contaminants and ingesting it would be a bad idea.

[Domspun]

Originally Posted by fishinabottle

I don´t think yellow color shows something unhealthy, it´s just a discoloration nothing else.

No difference between Na an K GHB. Both is a waste of perfect good GBL though IMHO.

Swim agrees totally with you.

Swim say that he use only 99.7% pure GBL. He once had a clear solution with the same products, maybe he let the temperature raise too high??

Some people think K-GHB takes longer to get absorb by the body and more "sexual" than Na-GHB, urban legend??

[fishinabottle]

Even 99,97% GBL goes yellowish in a metal container over time. Thats nothing to worry about, it´s a normal discoloration with no effects on quality.

I don´t make this up it´s in the Ullmann´s.

My cat couldn´t encounter any differences between Na and K GHB made form the same batch of GBL. My cat says that GBL is the way to go from duration and effects. And seriously: Why should one want to eat grams of table salt or potassium chloride and why should that be healthy? It´s not.

Prosexual with GHB/GBL is smoking a joint before using it, taking it in not to big portions over time, starting with 1,5ml then 0,5ml to 1ml and having a glass of wine and more MJ after two hours (no alcohol beforehand is important).

[Domspun]

Good, so SWIM is not crazy, it's the dogs who are crazy! The dogs want a clear, thick syrup, nobody can guarantee that, right?

[kmm5000]

nobody can gurantee what you are a taking if you have got it off a third person... however if SWIM has got the ingredients himself and knows what is going into the product then this is by far the safest route!!! if theres any discolouration you can go through your process and find a reason it has gone a certain colour.... however if its a product off somebody else who is to tell what is making the discolouration

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[~lostgurl~]

A little extra salt isn't going to cause problems; a little extra potassium won't either...the key being a "little".

Effects of too much Potassium (Electrolyte imbalance, heart rate irregularities)

The usual formula for GHB uses Sodium Hydroxide (lye) to react with the Lactone, resulting in GHB. A side reaction converts most of the Sodium Hydroxide to salt, resulting in GHB mixed with salt water.

KOH reactions, however, replace the sodium with Potassium. Too much Potassium can cause heart irregularities and general cardiac problems, including rapid hear rate (tachycardia), irregular heart rhythm, or both (see supra-ventricular tachycardia SVTC)

It is quite possible for a long term user to use ounces of GHB daily and after a while the build up of potassium can cause an electrolyte imbalance. Health problems such as bad kidneys will usually speed up this process.

If you are taking large doses, it might not be a bad idea to have your electrolytes checked every now and then.

Effects of too much salt (Water Retention)

With higher doses of the Sodium variety, water retention is possible from the extra salt intake. The first sign of water retention is a little difficulty breathing when you lay down, that’s the water build up in your lungs. Other symptoms are swollen hands or legs.

[garbled]

Originally Posted by Domspun

In liquid form, what is your opinion on them?

Na-GHB tend to be yellow in low water concentration. How can SWIM achieve a high density while keeping the solution transparent?

Simple. If you are doing the making, make sure you don't get the solution to hot. Not matter what the source, if you want to remove the coloring, filter it through a charcoal water filter like a Brita pitcher. If the stuff is too thick to filter, add water to it, filter it and then put it back on the heat and steam the water off.

[Pomzazed]

The yellowish color might come from Fe3+ ion. Noticed that long-term storage in a metallic container will yeild a bit yellowish color.

[Domspun]

I'm sure SWIM will find all this info interesting.

As for the effect, would there be differences in dosage? Some people report that it is hard to dose a good effect without passing out on K-GHB? WHile it seem to be easy with Na-GHB?

[garbled]

SWIM has never noticed a difference, but I have heard that potassium is slower to be absorbed by the body, so I guess there is always that possibility. Personally, SWIM prefers GBL over any GHB, because the head-high beats the body-high every time.