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Old 23-08-2006, 10:18
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Methylone (bk-MDMA) Experience

SWIM recieved 500mg of methylone from a source of good reputation, and decided to get his feet wet yesterday.

The substance was sold as 2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one, and was a brownish coloured powder.

To begin with, 100mg was weighed out, and put into a capsule. This was done three times total, making 3 100mg capsules. The rest was put into a small zip, for use later.

+0:00 SWIM began by breaking out 20mg of the powder, and insuffulating. No real burning sensation (SWIM has snuffed DMT, so his nose loves things that don't hurt...), but the drip was horrible.

+0:01 The capsule was swallowed, and SWIM relaxed for a little bit, trying to tell if the insuffulated line did anything much.

+0:10 A little sweaty, a little warm, very nice and a happy time.

+0:30 SWIM guesses the gel-cap is dissolving in his tummy now. Everything is happy, and enjoyable. It reminds him of a low MDMA dose...except he is horny! OH SO HORNY!

+0:45 SWIM is thinking a lot about women. New people he has met, and the next steps he needs to take...to get one thing. This isn't a normal mind-set for SWIM, and it's unusual. MDMA doesn't get him this aroused.

+2:30 Come down from the experience. The majority of the time was spent daydreaming about women. It was a very pleasent state, but given the cost of the substance, probably not worth it. There is a huge desire to redose and experience again immediately afterwards, and staying with you for several hours.

SWIM intends to dose sometime again, and have sex during the experience, so look forward to that review.

In conclusion, however, SWIM doesn't feel he will be making this purchase again. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great. Nothing to write home about, but nothing to not recommend. It was...so-so. Maybe SWIM's feelings will change after some rough sex on this chemical. Potentially addictive. SWIM feels like he could blow through the entire 500mg tonight...

Is there a tolerance for this substance? SWIM knows close to nothing about chemistry, but Erowid refers to this is bk-MDMA. Would someone test positive for MDMA after taking this?

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Old 23-08-2006, 10:49
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Methylone has a tolerance of about a week. It should not show a positive for MDMA as it is not an amphetamine - it is a ketone. As such, it is not covered by the analogue act and is legal to possess in the USA at present.

It's high cost reflects it being a pain in the neck to synthesize.

The effects of long-term use remain largely unknown and speculative - likely it is capable of causing serotonin-syndrome similar to MDMA. SSRI medications block the euphoric effects associated with methylone, suggesting it's action is, as many have guessed, that of a serotonin-releasing agent like MDMA et al.

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Old 23-08-2006, 18:45
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if Nichols rodent killers' papers are anything to extrapolate from, the neurotoxicity profile for the ketone derivs appears overall to be lower than for MDMA, but who knows, with all the craziness alphabet soupage these days, half of todays kids' kids will be born triangles, no doubt.
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Old 23-08-2006, 18:59
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A few thoughts:

1) Snorting methylone is a waste. SWIY's timeline was about the same as oral-only doses.
2) 100mg orally is not enough for most lab monkeys to get the full effects. 175-200mg is optimal for most.
3) Sex is great fun on methylone but be prepared to have difficulties maintaining erection and don't expect to be able to get to orgasm.
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Old 24-08-2006, 14:50
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Methylone is certainly too expensive.

The full effects are only reached, as SWIR says with about 200 mg orally-- or perhaps slightly more.

Sniffing methylone does work (as does rectal administration) but the effects are more 'speedy' than when taken orally, but 20mg would do very little to most rats.

Good descrition of methylone from SWIbearded.
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Old 25-08-2006, 03:37
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SWIM finds that methylone is a wonderful experience, right up until the moment it starts to wear off. The only thing SWIM can compare it to is cocaine. Powder Reality did an excellent job of describing it in another post recently. However, when combined with another RC such as 2 C-I several positive events occur: the amount needed is cut in half and the cost balanced against a less-expensive chemical, and in the experience of SWIM's monkeys the come down is much more gentle and is NOT accompanied by that nasty "where's the next rail gonna come from" feeling.

SWIM's monkey's (not hard-heads) report that 10mg 2C-I followed by 75mg methylone is not only an effective way to reduce the "MORE!" feeling on comedown but makes a gram of methylone go a lot farther. The overall experience lasts much longer than methylone by itself (another party-bonus). Sort of like Hamburger Helper for RC's.

And a big nod to what Radiometer said - check your orgasm at the bedroom door. Not impossible, but awful fuckin' close

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Old 31-08-2006, 18:03
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Methylone is definetly SWIM'S favorite Chem. The best Alternative for MDMA!

Properties (compared to MDMA):
Methylone provides a clean euphoric emphatogenic/entactogenic experience without the drive for dancing on fast beats.

Coming-up is continous and not "Flash"-like.

Duration only 2-3 hours.

Methylone is very expensive, but worth it, since you know what you have.

Dosage:
Snorting Methylone is a waste such as any dose below 100mg. SWIM recommends to take 3x the body-weight(kg) in mg orally. For ex. a Person who weights 70kg should take 210mg. SWIM recommends to take half the dose first (on empty stomach) and the second half 30 min after first ingestinon. This prevents from coming-up too fast. For the rest, SWIM says to respect the same precuations as for MDMA (no alcohol, a lot of water ect.)

Enjoy

SWIM actually wonders how SWIR was able to fuck (or even get an erection) on Methylone. SWIM isnt actually able to find his member in his Pants at all on Methylone. If fucking is really possible, it certainly demands a lot of effort. But as hugging is already as good (better?) then fucking, one could consider some kind of "hug-fuck"?!
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I highly doubt that snorting a single dose of 3mg/kg (210 mg for a person of 70 kg) would not be dangerous.
More than 250 mg orally is generally a full on experience for hard headed rats. Snorting the substance would probably increase effects with factor 3 (comparable to 750 mgs orally), which is something no one should attempt. Note that SWIY is recomending a route of administration which bypasses the liver and thus increases the risks involved with unresearched chemicals AND SWIY is recommending a very high dosage.
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SWIM notes that methylone causes more erectile disfunction than MDMA (silicone was invented for a reason!), but he is able to reach orgasm about 5-6 hours after ingestion, versus 12 hours or more with MDMA.
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I highly doubt that snorting a single dose of 3mg/kg (210 mg for a person of 70 kg) would not be dangerous.
More than 250 mg orally is generally a full on experience for hard headed rats. Snorting the substance would probably increase effects with factor 3 (comparable to 750 mgs orally), which is something no one should attempt. Note that SWIY is recomending a route of administration which bypasses the liver and thus increases the risks involved with unresearched chemicals AND SWIY is recommending a very high dosage.
He wasn't recommending snorting 3mg/kg,

"SWIM recommends to take 3x the body-weight(kg) in mg __orally__."
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SWIM notes that methylone causes more erectile disfunction than MDMA (silicone was invented for a reason!), but he is able to reach orgasm about 5-6 hours after ingestion, versus 12 hours or more with MDMA.
SWIM thinks less so. It can make lust very intense, but orgasm is very hard to find, not that that necessarily matters, as prolonging desire makes it more poignant!
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The elusive O

Difficulty achieving orgasm isn't limited to the guys. On the feminine side of the street, M1 can leave SWIM with this feeling that she is hanging just on the razor's edge of one of those monumental, earth-shattering orgasms and would do just about ANYTHING to tip over to the other side! With M1, the elusive O can be hard to find, and SWIM knows exactly where to look under any other circumstances.

SWIM's SO has a name for this: The Half-Fucked Fox In A Forest Fire Syndrome. Elegant, no?
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Old 01-09-2006, 23:06
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SWIM was thinking about trying Methylone, but if this business about orgasm is true he's definitely going to reconsider. Nothing more frustrating than serious desire combined with utter lack of performance. And frustration is not SWIM's idea of 'high', particularly considering the expense.

Of course if sexual desire really isn't involved then SWIM will reconsider, but the whole vibe of this thread is that it is involved.
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Depends on the circumstances. SWIM and SO very much enjoy sexual activity using a combo of 2C-I and Methylone (to be honest, they LIVE for it) and SWIM is sorry if she gave you the impression that it was fraught with frustration.

While it is true that The Big O can be elusive, but there's one thing SWIM failed to mention: SWIY won't care. Having a little something to assist in the lumber department helps. Everything after that can be incredible if SWIY can shift into less goal-oriented frame of mind.
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no effects on libido or inibition of capacity to orgasm noted locally.
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Methylone is bk-MDMA. bk-MBDB has nothing to do with this thread as far as I can tell. But anyway, its structure is indeed awfully close to that of MDMA. Structurally, MBDB is exactly the same as MDMA, except with an alpha-ethyl instead of an alpha-methyl. The beta-ketones are added to both to make bk-XXXX.
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SWIM doesn't feel methylone is a sexual booster for him... at least not at this point. Only two substances so far really do that to a degree he feels is worthwhile (cocaine and propylhexedrine/probably some amphetamines too), but it doesn't seem like methylone hits SWIM's dopamine receptors hard enough. Or maybe it's just too distracting in other ways... there's a head-fog SWIM doesn't much care for.
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swim doesn't notice any sexual stimulation either. now 5 meo mipt.. thats a different story
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Just a note, SWIM changed his mind after upping the dosage a lot... suddenly methylone became a powerful sexual booster. It does seem to inhibit orgasm, but not that drastically (for SWIM anyway), it just takes longer. It's about 5 times as intense when it does arrive.

Methylone seems like two different substances if comparing low-to-moderate vs. high doses. It seems to hit dopamine receptors like crazy at some dosage level, feeling much more like a coke/speed hybrid of some sort.

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......it just takes longer.
A characteristic that lands squarely in the plus column for this SWIMmer!
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A characteristic that lands squarely in the plus column for this SWIMmer!
swim has mentioned that it's a nice little perk indeed. some say it like it's a bad thing. whats gotta be kept in mind is that getting there is so much "fun" when on methylone.
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Re: Methylone Experience

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A few thoughts:

1) Snorting methylone is a waste. SWIY's timeline was about the same as oral-only doses.
SWIM recently tried snorting methylone, and enjoyed it tremendously. It definitely hit him faster than oral (after a lot of crushing/chopping of the crystalline powder, turning it to a fine dust... this is important!) and he felt much more in control of his dosage than with either oral or rectal administration. This is now his preferred method for doing methylone.

SMMV (and apparently does), everyone is different. If SWIY didn't try thorough chopping though, he might consider giving this route of admin another shot.

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