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Old 21-08-2006, 19:12
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Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

Just wondering how much morphine should swim take if swim takes 8mg of suboxone daily? How much morphine would equal to 8mg of bupe? Or to other opiates...?
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Old 21-08-2006, 23:27
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this depends, is SWIF using for Pain killing or recreation.

It is important to note that the morphine will be significantly more recreational even at the same equivelant dose as it has no antagonist properties. Suboxone is a mix of Nalaxone and Buprenorphine if i remember correctly. (4 to 1 to be exact)

Buprenorphine normal theraputic dose is 8mg and Morphine is 10mg, it is widely accepted that not much tolerance develops from Buprenorphine. SWIY should try a 15mg morphine dose and work up assuming he is using orally.

Important Note: DO NOT MIX THE TWO! The antagonistic effects of Buprenorphine will negate the morphine or other non synthetic opiates.

As for comparison to other opiates google an opiate comparison table.

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Great harm reduction to mention the antagonist effects of buprenorphine.
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Old 22-08-2006, 00:36
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yes, this is for swims recreation....and swim couldn't find a comparison table, is there one posted....

like how many mg's of hydrocodeine is equal to "X" mg's of morphine Sulfate (MS Contin)
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google "opiate converstion table". however, the ones swim has found do not have buprenorphine (suboxone) in them. maybe one exists with it in there, swim is too tired to look at the moment but will check it out later.

heres a table to help with the hydrocodeine/morphine conversion though.
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Old 22-08-2006, 16:24
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interesting, swim found that 100mg of hydrocodone is equal to 100mg of morphine...swim assumes this is morphine sulfate?
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Important Note: DO NOT MIX THE TWO! The antagonistic effects of Buprenorphine will negate the morphine or other non synthetic opiates.
This cannot be stressed enough! In addition to negating the effects of morphine, it may forcibly rip any other opiates in your system out of your system, bringing on intense withdrawals very quickly. Be careful.

Indiedrugmusic - please use the search engine, & if SWiY don't find the answer to your question there start a new thread or ask in a thread relating to poppy seed tea. That question has nowt to do with the question being asked in this thread!

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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

im pretty sure i read on erowid somewhere that 10 milligrams of morphine is equivalent in potency to 600 micrograms buprenorphine. so that would mean an 8mg suboxone would have the potency of about 133mg of morphine. im almost positive that the equivalency is indeed 600mcg bupe to 10mg morph.
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

Ok swim has a question for an experienced Opiate / Suboxone user. And first off, for the tough guys out there, please don't tell swim to search for the answer himself because it's out there somewhere. Swim did a bunch of reading and can't get a good solid answer nor directions for what swim wants to do. Swim's friend is sniffing around 10to15 30mg Roxi's / day and wants to lower his tolerence back down to a few a day and also wants to get high like he used to. Swim got a hold of 10 8mg Suboxone's and would really appreciate the proper way to use these to lower his tolerence. Swim's head is spinning from everyone's opinion on what the Nalaxone will do and what it is for and what swallowing vrs subligually will do and some say wait 2 weeks before hitting the Oxy's again and some say to wait 3 days and so on and so on. Will some nice experianced brother swim help swim's friend out here so he does it right and doesn't waste the Suboxones and/or hurt himself? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

If in the USA suboxone is the same as the UK do not swallow, it's completely ineffective via this route. As to dosing down its very person specific and difficult to accertain for any of us here on the forum. It's like asking a blind man which dress looks better on a lady, even if described it's still very easy to be wrong. in an attempt to do so all the same what is SWIY's weight, age and gender.
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

Well swim took an 8mg sub and it was a horrible nitemare. Swim will start another post in the proper place and explain what happened for those who would benefit from it.
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

Buprenorphine's agonist potential is 75 x morphine*. Therefore (depending on other variables as well), 8mg buprenorphine is equivalent to 600mg morphine w/w. Do a little reverse algebra to figure out the inverse. Buprenorphine’s agonist (profile), has it lasting twice as long as morphine. Buprenorphine is also a strong antagonist, being 4 X nalorphine w/w*.
*J. W. Lewis, Adv. Biochem. Psychopharmacol. 8, 123 (1974)
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

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im pretty sure i read on erowid somewhere that 10 milligrams of morphine is equivalent in potency to 600 micrograms buprenorphine. so that would mean an 8mg suboxone would have the potency of about 133mg of morphine. im almost positive that the equivalency is indeed 600mcg bupe to 10mg morph.

swilexifer yes this is correct. swims dose of buprenorphine is 32mg and that would technically be equivelant to like 500 mg of morphine. but of course it really isnt like taking 500mg of morphine.
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Re: Suboxone equal to how many mg's of Morphine?

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Ok swim has a question for an experienced Opiate / Suboxone user. And first off, for the tough guys out there, please don't tell swim to search for the answer himself because it's out there somewhere. Swim did a bunch of reading and can't get a good solid answer nor directions for what swim wants to do. Swim's friend is sniffing around 10to15 30mg Roxi's / day and wants to lower his tolerence back down to a few a day and also wants to get high like he used to. Swim got a hold of 10 8mg Suboxone's and would really appreciate the proper way to use these to lower his tolerence. Swim's head is spinning from everyone's opinion on what the Nalaxone will do and what it is for and what swallowing vrs subligually will do and some say wait 2 weeks before hitting the Oxy's again and some say to wait 3 days and so on and so on. Will some nice experianced brother swim help swim's friend out here so he does it right and doesn't waste the Suboxones and/or hurt himself? Thanks in advance!

if swiys friend wants to lower tolerance and get high again... then abstain from opiate for a few weeks will do the trick. if friend has physical habit (which appears so) then friend should quit using the current opiods, BE IN WITHDRAWAL so wait about 24 - 48 hrs after last use, and take an 8 mg suboxone. this will cure the withdrawals. swiy has to feel some withdrawal though before taking it. then swiy should use it (one a day) for about 7 days for detoxing. staying on it any longer will probably cause a physical dependance to the suboxone which really is worse than even heroin withdrawals especially cause they last so damn long. also if swiy isnt in withdrawal then there are still significant amounts of opiates in the receptors and the buprenoprhine (suboxone) will kick it out and swiy will go into withdrawal. the nalaxone has nothing to do with that dont listen to anyone who says it dose. the only reason nalaxone is in there is to prevent people from shooting it. oh yeah and it must be taken under the tongue so the buprenorphine will work and the naloxone wont.

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