Lucid Dreams & Astral Projection/OBE

[psyko_tripper]

Anybody tried?


I had my share of adventures.


It really is a great capabiltity to be able to project. You can explore you're mind and yourself safely and comfortably. A bit diffenerent from taking psychedelics. I think their both great ways to enlighten oneself!

[OneDiaDem]

I have been trying for years to do this. I would love to see you write up information on this topic. There really isnt alot of how info out there. Got any tips? I always fall asleep trying, lol.

[Illiki23]

Lucid dreaming method created by stephen leberge (sp?):


First off, start writing down your dreams. This will drastically help recall, keep a journal next to your bed - ora dictation device - and stick to it - the night before affirm to yourself "I will Remember my dreams, I will wake up with my dream still in memory, I will write down my dreams" a few times, and in the morning write them down.


A couple weeks of this will bring noticable improvement in dream recall.


The core method:


Get a beeper, set to go off every 1 or 2 hours - and wear it everywhere you go.(this is the best method) When it goes off stop whatever you are doing and ask "Am I dreaming?" Take a good look around and decide whether you are dreaming or not. Have a little notecard with a paragraph written on it in your pocket at all times and try and read it as a dreaming test.


Wear the beeper to bed with you.


After a couple weeks the questioning of whether you are dreaming or not will become automatic, and when the beeper goes off while you are sleeping, if it goes offwhile you are dreaming you are likely to dream of you beeper and questioning whether you are dreaming or not.


After a few weeks of practice one will find that they began realizing they are dreaming while dreaming more and more. Leading to more and more lucid dreams.


For the beginner lucid dreams quickly end, the person usually waking up suddenly or slipping back into the dream. There are ways to stop this. One method is to focus on your hands, another is to begin spinning (a little odd sounding but oddly works)- but once a small level of control is gained one can affirm "Clear!" And "Focus" and "this dream will focus" and the dream will focus.


With focus and affirmations and the ability to remain while letting go ;-) will lead to stronger lucid experiences.


Another useful technique is to set an alarm to go off a couple hours before you wake up - waking up - writing down dreams and such - reading a little about lucid dreaming, or affirming that you will lucid dream, and then laying back down and relaxing - meditation in general helps with lucid dreaming, the ability to be relaxed and calm - the body and its tensions pull you out of states conductive of lucid dreaming and astral projections -


at this moment, going back to sleep, you are most susceptable to slipping conciously into a dream or astrally projecting - also the roused mind will remember the latter dreams a little better- while they are still long and eventfull.


And remember to write it down!


This method works for most people, the more effort the better the results.

[Illiki23]

oh and if that doesnt work, go for the cough syrup.

[psyko_tripper]

This is also a good place to start!

http://www.astralpulse.com

I must admit I don't use any techniques anymore. I've been practising this for almost 5 years and my abilty to project has increased dramatically.

A tip: Do not focus to much on technique to get you're body and mind in the right condition! You need to know how to relax you're body and mind!yes! But you must also maintain a pure and authentic intention to project. Lucid dreams and projections come from within. Everybody has the potential to projectas it comes from within and is a thing which most people forgot they had. Focus on you're ego, thats the biggest roadblock in my opinion. Ifyou're mind is pure and clean, you'll project likeit's the easiest thing in the world.

It takes some work to clean you're ego but it's deffinately the best thing to do. It's hard to tell you how to do that <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley11.gif">. But you need to think positive and believe in yourself and try to better yourself from any negative influences. I think psychedelics can be very good for this but also meditation and cultivation.

One more tip: Don't get impatient with it! It's like you've been practising this for years and only got one lucid dream. Don't worry, you're experiences accumulate. After a few years you will notice that you get more and more succes with it as long as you keep practising. I don't mean like meditate everyday and writing that dream journal. Just try to have a lucid dream every night you go to sleep, don't exhaust yourself with the techniques, just keep in mind that you want this to happen.

Just 'think' about projection while you drift off to sleep and try to recall you're dreams the day after. When you're mind gets more pure and you're experience accumulate you'll find you're own way to project. Which is: closing you're eyes, drifting to sleep and waking up outside you're body.

I hope I'm not to hazy on this as my english is not that well

[OneDiaDem]

Awsome! Would love even more info if you can find it, I would also love to hear about some of your experiences while doing this!!


Thank you!!!

[psyko_tripper]

There's lots of info on LD and AP but... thats not what you need. If you really want I can give you some links


Most info ismisleading anyway. Tell me about you're progress and experiences, maybe I can help..


I'll throw in some of my own in dear time... But now I must focus on my exams. I'll bebusy for a few weeks but when time comes i'll write some stories


btw: any other intrests like : magick, enlightenment, psy, paranormal stuff...

[OneDiaDem]

All of the above. My progress? Well, I start by laying down, clearing my mind, and focusing on my spirit and body, relaxing. Next thing I know I am waking up, lol. Been doing that for years. I gave up a couple years ago because I just assumed it was crap. This has facinated me for many years tho. Ive read alot of books on the subject, but I tell ya, very hard for me to do.

[psyko_tripper]

I knowa lot of people who suffer from the same problem... But don't give up, even if you ain't getting any succes keep trying. You'll be glad you did when you have you're first LD/AP, after that it gets easier. Just think it over when you go to sleep, even if you aren't doing any hard work at getting there it'll add up anyway.


Another thing to examine is you're lifestyle and you're state of mind: beliefs, and stuff...

[OneDiaDem]

What do beliefs have to do with it? Just the fact that I am trying to do this should set my subconcious in the right direction. Right? I mean, I have no negative feelings of this, like, for instance, that its wrong, morally or religiously. To me, it would extremely freeing.

[psyko_tripper]

"Just the fact that I am trying to do this should set my subconcious in the right direction. Right?"


Not really, see: you have the desire to do this, which will set you're subconscious. But the thing is, desire is not enough. You really ought to believe in this and the fact that you can and will do it.


"I mean, I have no negative feelings of this, like, for instance, that its wrong, morally or religiously. To me, it would extremely freeing."



It's a good thing that you accept it morally/religiously! Thats one roadblock less.


"I gave up a couple years ago because I just assumed it was crap."


There you have it, you tried, it didn't work out and you assumed it was crap.If youdon't believe in it or in yourselfthis will stop you cold.

[OneDiaDem]

LOL, ok, let me be more specific. I have tried this for over 20 years, lol. It wasnt a one time thing,then said, oh the hell with it. I have read alot about it, have spent years trying to accomplish this. I gave up because it felt fruitless. My only assumption now, is thatI was doing something wrong, or had bad info. It is still something I would like to pursue, and I think with more info its something I could do now that you guys are here saying you have actually done this. I guess frustration was getting in the way.


Let me ask you this. Do you think fear may have played a role in not being able to do it? One of the books I read spoke of a silver string/chain that attaches your soul to your body, and if broken while voyaging, you cannot find your way back to your body. That has always been a little freaky thought for me. Could that be holding this back somehow?


I would really like to hear some of your experiences, I think it would help alot when you have time to write about them.

[Pinkavvy]

dont fear leting go ... you are the wizard that controls your perception of existance.

[psyko_tripper]

"I have tried this for over 20 years, lol. It wasnt a one time thing,then said, oh the hell with it"


Sorry if I seemed to imply that it was a one time thing, I understand that you did a lot of hard work trying to accomplish this.


"I guess frustration was getting in the way."


Trying too hard is also something that'll hold you back, just relax... ground yourself and don't be too hard on yourself. Just 'think' about the idea of projection without exhausting you're mind with too much effort.


Many basic skills have to be learned first. Can you reach the trance state easily? Do you're thoughts distract you when meditating... etc


"Do you think fear may have played a role in not being able to do it?


YES! Subconscious or conscious fears are MAJORroadblocks that'll hold you back! If you're subconsciously afraid of the idea of getting lost, i'll definately hold you back, unless you're mind gets to the right state.Familiarity with the experience will solve this.


"One of the books I read spoke of a silver string/chain that attaches your soul to your body, and if broken while voyaging, you cannot find your way back to your body. That has always been a little freaky thought for me. Could that be holding this back somehow?"


It could hold you back, but its not guaranteed. What you're un/consciously fearing would be fear of the unknown! That's the main thing that holds you back. It's like fear of the dark, once you're familiar with it the fear subsides.


On another note: this cord you speak of can't be damaged purposely, unless maybe you try real hard, but normally not. Plus you can't loose track of you're body, you otta come back sometime. No worries, there's nothing that can harm you're cord and no way you could get lost. Actually it's a prety safe experience. There are things that can hurt you while out of body; but these same things can hurt you while you're in you're body.


note: you're spirit is not actually leaving you're body, you're body just generates a double. And this double is projected. You're consciousness is actually projected.


"I would really like to hear some of your experiences, I think it would help alot when you have time to write about them."


I will write them in dear time, probably somwhere around september when my exams are finished. These can give you an idea of what to expect and can be very usefull.


ps: www.astralpulse.com is a very conprehensive site about this kind of stuff. I think RB (site owner) is very accurate in his perspective on LD/AP. I've read other sites but the aren't always correct or complete. There are many misunderstandings, so I advise you RB's site.


Cheers

[OneDiaDem]

Fabulous, thanks for taking the time to reply and answer some questions. I will check that site out, and look forward to your experiences. In the meantime, lol, I will log what I do here for the sake of science!<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif">

[P!MPJU!C3]

Oh I didnt know that you call those Lucid dreams.



ANyhow, Ive been calling it: Waking up in your dream.<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley2.gif">



Its funny because I have those in periods. Its really cool, somehow(in what u use the beeper 4) I realise I'm awake. But actually im still in a dream. This is cool because you decide what you do. You can go off and rob people, you can run down the streets jumping over cars, you can ride over the prairy with CLint Eastwood and you can screw your French teacher. I love "lucid dreams"

They come 2 me in periods of a few days every month.

The more you have them the more control you have. Its great. These ones I just spoke about are recent. In the begining when I started having Lucid dreams i was 12 or something. In the begining I had no control and all i realised was that I was awake in my dream and then I fell back in 2 my dream. @ the age of 14, magical 14, they were coming more frequently. Twice a week or something.

During my alcohol period I was going to hell. Lucid dreams didnt happen anymore. When I kicked, It came back 2 me and now I have ultimate control.



Lucid dreams are great but I dont want anyone making the mistake that he can ever get there by using drugs. A dream is a dream and with a drug you will not get in a dreamstate fully. The drugs dont work on that part of the brain. Im not callin people stupid, just makin sure that they dont make that mistake because they will find themselfs od'ing on shit.

[Armageddon]

"and with a drug you will not get in a dreamstate fully"



well, actually you're wrong. There's some drug/plant called Calea Zacatechichi which improves the frequency of experiencing lucid dreams greatly. Yet I didn't try it.. well I just didn't have to. Lucid dreams I experience are very serious shock for me. They gave me the conviction that there's some other, different world quite close to us and connetcted to us but of which we are almost tottaly unaware and ignorant. Ignorant also of the rules that work there, what might be very suprising



I think many people who experience that world, calling it a state of lucid dream, are still not fully aware what it really is and still not in full forces of mind whene they feel like "awaked". I mean they surely didn't awake fully . Yes I know it, because I experienced both of that states .

And there are things that you even didn't dream about..

[P!MPJU!C3]

Dreams r projected by ur brain. I was ignorant 2 think that there arent drugs that work on that part of the brain so I guess u r correct Armagadon. Im just not sure about if it would be good 2 get in this dreamstate. Getting in this state means u r going very very far away from every day life. Is their anything known about the long term effects of Calea Zacatechichi? I wouldnt take the risk with this drug but than again, 4 me, all I need 2 go 4 a lucid dream is 2 bed.


About this other world idea. Wouldnt it be true 2 say that there arent other worlds. They may seem like other worlds, but wouldnt they just all be projected by ur brain?

[soer]

projection is potentiallydangerous . if you exit your body mentally and do not return properly and calmly each time, you can slowly develop psychological problems

[P!MPJU!C3]

Yes, thats what im saying soer. But what we are all saying is very hypothetical. We dont know. We need hard evidence. Alfa? Tenshu?

[dunkelheit]

I've been unknowingly doing this for about 3 months straight all day every single day. I thought it was just from smoking alot of pot but tonight for some reason I decided to go online to understand why I act the way I do when I'm really fucked up, I thought I was going schizophrenic or something. It was starting to scare me, I thought I was losing my mind and shit. Damn, I can't think right now because this just happened now. I just wanted to post this while I remembered.

[LossyLegs]

SWIM has been having lucid dreams for as long as he can remember without trying for them. About 90% of SWIM's dreams are lucid dreams but there is only one problem: He can rarely remember them.

About a week ago, for four nights straight, SWIM tried to achieve an OBE. SWIM believes he came closest to one on the first night when he caught himself falling asleep and then felt a surge of energy flowing throughout his body for about five minutes. The nights that SWIM attempted to have an OBE and for three nights following the last attempt, SWIM not only had a lucid dream every night and whenever he napped, but also remembered most of the dreams very clearly.

SWIM was wondering if anybody else has noticed a strong connection between OBE's and lucid dreaming?

[Heretic.Ape.]

I don't know much about OBE's but regarding your problem with dream recall I would suggest keeping a jouran of dreams that you write in first thing every morning. Even if you don't remember much, start writing what you do, even if it's just a feeling or thought. More material will usually follow as you start writing and if this is done over a long period of time it can greatly improve recall.

[hoodabudda]

when you first wake up do not open your eyes!!!try to remember what you drempt about.if you open your eyes your brain officially wakes up and its hard to remember dreams but keep them closed and dont move and youll be able to remember 10x better.try it its pretty cool.