Nutmeg dosage

[vertigo]

Yesterday SWIM took 8 nuts over the course of a few hours. Instead of grating the nuts SWIM just cut them into eigths and swallowed them to minimize the taste. That did nothing so today SWIM took around 20-30g of powdered nutmeg at around 1:00-2:00pm, at the moment it is 10:26 and SWIM doesn't feel anything/much at all. Is it possible that the nutmeg will kick in later, it simply doesn't affect SWIM or maybe SWIM should try a different brand of nutmeg?

[vertigo]

Edit: The nuts weighed around 40g all together.

[Psych0naut]

It doesn't depend on the brand of nutmeg.Nutmeg usually takes some more time to come up, but also works much longer than other drugs.
Though it isn't something SWIM would take recreationally.

[vertigo]

T+23 hours and nothing. Oh well.

[Bajeda]

What does swiy mean by the brand of nutmeg?

The way to use nutmeg for purposes of mind-alteration is to get fresh nutmegs and grind them before ingestion.

If you buy already ground nutmeg it probably won't do anything.

[vertigo]

Well SWIM tried swallowing chunks of the nutmegs rather then grinding them and nothing happend. Is it that swallowing large peices stops them from being digested and absorbed properly or what?

[Psych0naut]

Yes, large chunks have a smaller surface, and are harder to digest for SWIY stomach.
Grinded nutmeg is much easier to digest and has a larger surface, so it's psycho-active substances are being absorbed quicker.
And about buying ground nutmeg, that doesn't mather wether it's already ground up or if SWIY has to ground it up, from SWIMs experience.

[vertigo]

ok well SWIM just took 4 fresh nuts (ground up by SWIM) weighing in at about 17.5ish grams. Will report if anything happens. (SWIM bought the nuts from the same place as before)

[Psych0naut]

It's 10 hours later, anything happened yet ?

[4-D VISION]

Swim remember Terence McKenna saying in (The World And It's Double) that he used to grind up nutmeg, take it at night and stay up late studing "feeling kinda wired". When he woke up in the morning he stated being "totally smashed" as he walked to school!
Swim has never tried it so he doesn't know how much to take, but agrees that it should be ground up!

[vertigo]

Well during the night SWIM woke up a few times and had some auditory hallucinations (I think? When SWIM wakes up SWIM is fucked for about half an hour). When SWIM woke up in the morning he was fine (pretty much if not baseline) so next weekend SWIM will take 12 whole nuts.

[vertigo]

Oh SWIM felt as though everything was spinning when he woke up during the night so it definately had an effect.

[Nahbus]

Interesting. SWIM hopes for your sake that you will ejoy yourself, as almost every experience he has read results in more negative effects than positive, leaving the user claiming that they will NEVER again try it.

Good luck and be safe.

[4-D VISION]

Another Drug info site suggest .75-1. gram of ground up nutmeg per 10 lbs of body weight. (150 pound person should take 11.25g-15g) If its your first time dosein up, go wiyh the smaller dose. You could always take more, but you can't take back any!
Also expect to get hit 8-12 hours later, and be prepared to have head change for a few days!

[4-D VISION]

Swim tried it and reported to me (swim weighs about 160LBS) : Took 10 type 00 capsuls, each capsule weighing 1 gram...average dose for 160 is 11-16 grams. I guess swim wanted to take baby steps into this new experience, because he was shy 1-6 grams! swim took the pills around 3pm and felt a small head change around midnight. He said he fell asleep around 1am and awoke the next morning still feeling the head change. It lasted through out the day! He compared it to a MJ head change! Never felt the full effects, but plans on it next time!

[seechao]

Hmmmm after browsing the forum, my monkey seems to be the only primate in existance that actualy got brilliantly high off nutmeg, He was high for three days in one of the most blissfull places ever, after chocking down a very very VERY large amount of freshly ground nuts(way way more than ever recomended by anyone, by 10x) Comming up took hours, 2-3 before the first tingle at least, and then the rise was slow, and full of false plateaus, never seemed to stop, after about T+6hrs my monkey was unable to move, paralised by bliss, in a very mellow MDx type place, Always described it as MDMA without any stimulation, and more of a narcotic effect, the effects slowly wore off after three days, and the experiment was tried again, with a large, but not monsterous dose this time, and nothing was felt, I believe that the problem with nutmeg is that the levels of active chemicals in it vary widely and either arrent stable, or are very volatile and leave quickly. I have stopped trying, for fear of possibly getting a batch 10x as pottent as my last one and causing harm to my monkey.

[genaro]

Active principle in nutmeg is myristicin. Nutmeg also contains substancial amounts of safrole, eugenol and elemicine.

First, you need to use whole fresh nutmeg (not powdered and canned one which will only get you sedation and headache)
Crush the nut into fine powder and swallow it with some fruite juice (better to take it on empty stomach)

Onset and duration:
effects starts from 2 to 6 hours after ingestion (sometimes even 8hours)
Main effects (meaning strong ones) will last for some 8hours, but you will still feel some effects up to 24hours after ingestion (some people have even reported that some effects were lasting 72hours after ingestion!)
From personnal experience I would say that you will probably feel the first effects about 4 hours after ingestion. Then you should experience strong effects for some 8hours.
And then you will still feel strange for 12 more hours at least (sometime you just feel a bit high for the entire next day)

dosage:
20g will produce definite effect but will also often cause some shivering/shaking and nasty cadiovascular side effects (dangerous), I even read that a person with cardiac issues (weak heart, high blood pressure or so) could get a heart attack from only 15g
However I never had any effects beside sedation when using less than 20g.

So my advice is:
To be safe, just start with 10g, normally this will not get you high. If no cardiovascular problem occurs at this dosage, then wait at least 3days and try 15g (at this dose you should start to notice some sedation but you will probably don't feel high or trippin).
If 15g causes you some cardiac stress then just stop experimenting with nutmeg and don't ever return to it! ->normally 15g is not enough to cause any cardiovascular stress but it can happen that some persons are dangerously sensitive to nutmeg and that's why I'm asking for this very progressive dosing, starting directly from a potent 20g dose is definately not something to do!
Now if the 15g dose was ok (no cardiovascular stress) then wait 3days at least before trying a 20g dose. This dosage should make you trip but you will probably also feel some definite toxicity (notably some shaking, shivering and cardiovascular stress such as fast heart beat and possibly irregular heart beat which is not good). In my experience I would not get a trip with less than that, 20g would always do the trick for me but this dosage was also causing me some cardiovascular stress that was pronounced enough to make a medic get worried. For that reason, whatever effects you would get from a 20g dose, I suggest you do not go higher.
Honestly, nutmeg has shitty effects, so if you got some effect from 20g just don't try to take more for better effects: nutmeg just doesn't work that way (the more you take, the worse you feel, taking more will not make the effect gets better, that would only rise the toxicity to dangerous limits)

It may happen that some people are surprisingly unreactive to nutmeg, if so, 20g might not be enough to make them trip. Then 25g could possibly do the trick but from personnal experience 25g is really really hard on the heart, one thing for sure, if 20g is already causing some definite stress to your heart, then you must not try 25g!!!
However, I suggest you do not use 25g doses as it is a very dangerous dosage and this is just asking for serious troubles (anyway, nutmeg isn't fun, it's a shitty drug, so it's just not worth taking the risk)
One last word: as I said 25g is already very dangereous, but taking more than that would be completely suicidal!!!
(well I tried 30g once and almost died from it, my heart almost imploded with a heart beat that was quite probably above the 150 -too fast to be counted verbally!-and it was making freaky pauses at times that would put me in some kind of shock for a few seconds...lucky me I survived)

interactions:
nutmeg is a dangerous drug, therefore I strongly suggest you don't mix it with other drugs.
Cannabis is ok but better not drink alcohol (well one or two beers might be ok but don't drink more).
One thing for sure, one should never ever mix nutmeg with IMAOs, stimulants or aspirin.
In a general way do not mix nutmeg with anything that has some cardiovascular effect (substances that may cause hypertension, hypotension, tachycardia, bradycardia, irregular heart beat, vasodilatation, vasoconstriction, or overheating are to be avoided at all cost)

Frequency of use: out of curiosity, tripping from nutmeg once or twice is ok, but then just leave it (it's really toxic and there are many better and safer plants to get high from). Possibly carcinogenic to the liver.

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[meedio]

I have tried close to 80g of nutmeg and I am still alive even though i was slipping avay from reality. I really thought that I was going to die.

[genaro]

you should be dead. 80g is massive overdose...unless you had very weak nutmeg

[ProtectedByTheGods]

SWIM doesn't know about weigth, but SWIM used to eat 1 whole nut to get high.
On one occasion SWIM and some friends ate 2 nuts each, which SWIM considers
dangerous, as some people apparently have been to the hospital with as little as 2 nuts!

SWIM once "binged" on nutmeg, taking about 3 or 4 nuts over the course
of 3 days.

That time SWIM and his friends ate 2 nuts each, they did it in the evening,
then went straight to bed. Everyone woke up with a very "stoned", drowsy feeling,
which lasted all through the day.
That day included a boat trip to a neighboring island, on which a music festival
would be held. SWIM really enjoyed the rocking motion of the ship on the sea (atlantic ocean),
but some of his friends got rather sick from it.
Can't be sure though if it was for the boat, the nut, or both.

Anyhow, that's pretty much all SWIM knows about nutmeg dosage.
Maybe someday SWIM might go for 3 nuts at once, but hey, there are
so many other, better drugs. It is really more of a desperate thing to do,
because it is so cheap and available everywhere.

[HighParadise]

I've done nutmeg about 5 times. Usually I take 3 nuts at 130 lbs. If you get the dose right it feels like being stoned, higher is a different feel (lights moving across surfaces).

[seechao]

80 grams is less of a dose than SWIM took, SWIM is of the impression that nutmeg dosages vary ALOT with freshness, whether they where pre-crushed, and probably growing conditions and genetics of the nut itself. SWIM has also eaten +/- 80 grams worth, and not gotten high, the dosage varies so much, that SWIM will never again try to get high on nutmeg, as the one time he did get high, he also got very frightened of overdose, as he did not stop comming up for many many hours. From what swim hears, the speed of the come up seems to vary as well, but is always in the multiple hours area, which would make staggered dosing almost as dangerous as one huge dose, and therefore useless as a way to controle dose. The wide variability of this nut's content make it quit dangerous, but mostly, a waste of time.

[Nagognog2]

Doing nutmeg is considered a "Prison High" due to toxicity. It will rip your liver, kidneys, and urinary-tract up. If there was ANYTHING else available, like a 6-pack of beer, do that. Nutmeg really should only be considered if you are a full-on drug addict who has just murdered all his friends and MUST escape reality by all means - and there is no aerosol-paint to huff!

It might make an interesting experiment. But the vast majority of people never repeat it. Tell's you something, doesn't it?

[genaro]

swim repeated 10 times cause swim didn't know of any other things at the time. Had fun. Now, if swim look back to it, swim have to agree that there are too much negative side effects to consider it a pleasant high, moreover, it is really dangerous (cardiovascular and liver/kidney toxicity). But swim must admit he had some fun at the time (cause beeing high was new to swim), however, among the 10 or so trials there were some 2 or 3 difficult times (excessive dosages leading to freaky cardiac/blood pressure troubles)

[JDreaming]

It worries me to read about people taking 40 gram doses of nutmeg to try to force an effect.... SWIM's best friend once took 40ish grams or such of nutmeg when nothing else was available to get high off of this friend got nutmeg poisoning and was in extreme pain for at least 10 hours. SWIM has read about people taking the recommended dose of 1g per 10 ibs body weight and having pleasant dreamlike states, and SWIM has also read of people going higher and getting no high, but lots of sickness. It's probably like most other legal highs in that it's just unreliable in its psychoactivity.... but don't ignore the overdose risks. Nutmeg ain't like kava-kava where you take too much and you'll just lay down and go to sleep; it's a deliriant and high doses can get ugly.

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