Is it legal to buy Marijuana seeds???

[Unsolved]

SWIM was just wondering what the legealities are of buying Pot seeds in the US???

[dr ACE]

pretty sure its illegal without a special license permitting you to do so for a specific reason iemedical marijuana production if its not prohibited in which ever state your living at

[Unsolved]

I understand it is legeal to pruchase these seeds from over seas. However SWIM is kinda not crazy about this pakage going through customs. How would one go about having it mail, through a PO Box?

[old hippie 56]

No, it is not legal to buy seeds thru the mail, from anywhere. Even if is legal to possess cannabis for medical use in your state.

[Unsolved]

oh whoops okay I stand corrected. Strike that.

[KBLSD]

i thought it was like buying spores for growing mushrooms u can buy them but only for scientific purposes

[chrisn]

No, there is a difference. In the United States, psychedelic mushrooms are not scheduled, only the chemicals psilocybin and psilocin. Because the mushrooms contain these chemicals, but not the spores, the mushrooms are illegal while the spores are legal.

However, the entire plant cannabis is scheduled, which means any part of it, including the seeds, is illegal.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by chrisn

No, there is a difference. In the United States, psychedelic mushrooms are not scheduled, only the chemicals psilocybin and psilocin. Because the mushrooms contain these chemicals, but not the spores, the mushrooms are illegal while the spores are legal.

However, the entire plant cannabis is scheduled, which means any part of it, including the seeds, is illegal.

so why do some companies ship seeds to the United States? and how do alot of farmers get started growing if u cant buy them.

[Bikelbees]

Originally Posted by chrisn

No, there is a difference. In the United States, psychedelic mushrooms are not scheduled, only the chemicals psilocybin and psilocin. Because the mushrooms contain these chemicals, but not the spores, the mushrooms are illegal while the spores are legal.

However, the entire plant cannabis is scheduled, which means any part of it, including the seeds, is illegal.

OK so this is a US thread (I may just change the prefix) and the answer has come out loud and clear; yet I believe seeds are legal in EU whilst the plant is scheduled. Does anyone know of why this loophole apparently exists here? .

[dr ACE]

well the law is'nt very clear on cannabis seeds, from what swim understands there is'nt any mention of 'cannabis seeds',in the U.K 1971 drug law, from what he can make out.so seeds in U.K are just considerd to be nolvelty unless cultivated(more stupid drug laws).found this link with info on U.K drug law

http://www.ukcia.org/pollaw/lawlibra...gsact1971.html

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Bikelbees

OK so this is a US thread (I may just change the prefix) and the answer has come out loud and clear; yet I believe seeds are legal in EU whilst the plant is scheduled. Does anyone know of why this loophole apparently exists here? .

In Spain as in many other European states seeds are legally sold in grow shops and growing plants is considered a minor crime against public health unless the number of plants is very high, this can be considered drug-dealing-trafficking.

Cannabis growing is rarely prosecuted or investigated.

[Police Officer]

Originally Posted by Lehendakari

Cannabis growing is rarely prosecuted or investigated.

I was just skimming the posts and seen that. Does that make sense to anybody?

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

I was just skimming the posts and seen that. Does that make sense to anybody?

I understand it might sound weird to you but yes, police around here know that prosecuting and investigating cannabis growing is a waste of time and money.

Even possesion is rarely punished, you can either pay a fine or attend to a educational course about how "bad" cannabis is for you.

[dr ACE]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

I was just skimming the posts and seen that. Does that make sense to anybody?

if you read the post more clearly you will see that its in Spain hes talking about,in most of Europe cannabis use is tolerated,not like America

[rxbandit]

swim bought marijuana seeds online a few years back with little trouble. swim always assumed it was legal to do so, since there are many seed banks that sell to the US.

However, through further research, I discovered that it was not...

Saturday, July 30, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM




Canada's "Prince of Pot" nabbed for U.S. seed sales
By Ari Bloomekatz

Seattle Times staff reporter


Marc Emery has built a multimillion-dollar business selling marijuana seeds and paraphernalia while thumbing his nose at authorities in his native Canada, even challenging them to arrest him.
Yesterday, the man known as Canada's "Prince of Pot" was arrested in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on a U.S. indictment charging him with selling millions of dollars worth of marijuana seeds to customers throughout the United States.
Emery, the 47-year-old leader of British Columbia's Marijuana Party, has earned about $3 million a year selling the seeds through his Internet Web site and by mail, federal officials said. Emery and two accomplices, Gregory Williams, 50, and Michelle Rainey-Fenkarek, 34, were arrested by Canadian authorities on a warrant issued by federal officials in Washington state.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan said Emery will be tried in the U.S. because he committed most of his alleged crimes in this country. The Seattle-based office of the Drug Enforcement Administration led the investigation.
Sullivan said Emery will be extradited from Canada to the U.S. for trial, but the process could take anywhere from six months to two years.
While Emery owns a Vancouver, B.C., store that sells marijuana paraphernalia and seeds, police say at least 75 percent of his illegal transactions involved U.S. customers.
Vancouver Police Department spokesman Howard Chow said U.S. authorities are hoping to prosecute Emery in Seattle under an agreement called the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty, which allows the prosecuting agency to determine where to try defendants. Authorities likely thought there was a better chance of conviction and harsher punishment in the U.S., Chow said.
Emery, a self-styled activist who once called himself a "libertarian capitalist," has become a spokesman for British Columbia's movement to legalize marijuana and is publisher of the Canadian magazine Cannabis Culture.
During a 1996 interview with The Seattle Times, Emery discussed an arrest by Canadian authorities for selling seeds at his Vancouver store. He said he wanted to be arrested to "challenge this stupid law and overturn it."
Neil Boyd, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., said Emery's arrest may not have occurred if U.S. authorities had not been involved.
"It's not unusual for Canadian police to arrest a person who has committed a serious crime in another country. What's unusual about this case is that they are arresting a person for conduct that attracts very serious penalties in one country and potentially no penalties in Canada," Boyd said.
While selling marijuana seeds in Canada is illegal, Boyd says the laws in Canada are not as tough as in the U.S.
Emery opened his store in 1994 and operates Marc Emery Direct, the Web site through which he sells more than 500 types of marijuana seeds with names such as Wonderberry, White Widow and Island Orange. He claims to own the world's largest selection of marijuana seeds with prices for 10 seeds ranging up to several hundred dollars.
All three defendants were charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, conspiracy to distribute marijuana seeds and conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The distribution charges alone carry potential punishments of 10 years to life imprisonment.
John Conroy, Emery's attorney in several previous cases, said Rainey-Fenkarek already had appeared in court and was ordered held on $25,000 bail. He said Emery and Williams may appear in court on Tuesday.
"He's [Emery] been arrested for a number of things over the years," Conroy said, but never before on a U.S. charge. The Canadian arrests include marijuana possession — particularly the seeds — for purposes of trafficking. He has been convicted of some charges, and according to his Web site, he was most recently sentenced to 92 days in jail for trafficking and possession.
Officials say Emery sold marijuana to undercover agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration both by mail and in person.
Emery has been active in pushing for marijuana legalization. He has run for mayor of Vancouver and his marijuana party's slogan is "overgrowing the government."
Because of treaties between the U.S. and Canada, U.S. attorney Sullivan said, if Emery is convicted in the United States he could request to serve his time in Canada, where he might be eligible for release sooner. Sullivan said U.S. authorities will have a chance to weigh in on his release to Canadian custody but that his transfer would still be possible.
"That's one of the frustrations with prisoners who are sent to Canada," Sullivan said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._emery30m.html

Illegal seeds seems like another one of those laws that can't be enforced very well.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

swim bought marijuana seeds online a few years back with little trouble. swim always assumed it was legal to do so, since there are many seed banks that sell to the US.

However, through further research, I discovered that it was not...

Saturday, July 30, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM




Canada's "Prince of Pot" nabbed for U.S. seed sales
By Ari Bloomekatz

Seattle Times staff reporter


Marc Emery has built a multimillion-dollar business selling marijuana seeds and paraphernalia while thumbing his nose at authorities in his native Canada, even challenging them to arrest him.
Yesterday, the man known as Canada's "Prince of Pot" was arrested in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on a U.S. indictment charging him with selling millions of dollars worth of marijuana seeds to customers throughout the United States.
Emery, the 47-year-old leader of British Columbia's Marijuana Party, has earned about $3 million a year selling the seeds through his Internet Web site and by mail, federal officials said. Emery and two accomplices, Gregory Williams, 50, and Michelle Rainey-Fenkarek, 34, were arrested by Canadian authorities on a warrant issued by federal officials in Washington state.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan said Emery will be tried in the U.S. because he committed most of his alleged crimes in this country. The Seattle-based office of the Drug Enforcement Administration led the investigation.
Sullivan said Emery will be extradited from Canada to the U.S. for trial, but the process could take anywhere from six months to two years.
While Emery owns a Vancouver, B.C., store that sells marijuana paraphernalia and seeds, police say at least 75 percent of his illegal transactions involved U.S. customers.
Vancouver Police Department spokesman Howard Chow said U.S. authorities are hoping to prosecute Emery in Seattle under an agreement called the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty, which allows the prosecuting agency to determine where to try defendants. Authorities likely thought there was a better chance of conviction and harsher punishment in the U.S., Chow said.
Emery, a self-styled activist who once called himself a "libertarian capitalist," has become a spokesman for British Columbia's movement to legalize marijuana and is publisher of the Canadian magazine Cannabis Culture.
During a 1996 interview with The Seattle Times, Emery discussed an arrest by Canadian authorities for selling seeds at his Vancouver store. He said he wanted to be arrested to "challenge this stupid law and overturn it."
Neil Boyd, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., said Emery's arrest may not have occurred if U.S. authorities had not been involved.
"It's not unusual for Canadian police to arrest a person who has committed a serious crime in another country. What's unusual about this case is that they are arresting a person for conduct that attracts very serious penalties in one country and potentially no penalties in Canada," Boyd said.
While selling marijuana seeds in Canada is illegal, Boyd says the laws in Canada are not as tough as in the U.S.
Emery opened his store in 1994 and operates Marc Emery Direct, the Web site through which he sells more than 500 types of marijuana seeds with names such as Wonderberry, White Widow and Island Orange. He claims to own the world's largest selection of marijuana seeds with prices for 10 seeds ranging up to several hundred dollars.
All three defendants were charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, conspiracy to distribute marijuana seeds and conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The distribution charges alone carry potential punishments of 10 years to life imprisonment.
John Conroy, Emery's attorney in several previous cases, said Rainey-Fenkarek already had appeared in court and was ordered held on $25,000 bail. He said Emery and Williams may appear in court on Tuesday.
"He's [Emery] been arrested for a number of things over the years," Conroy said, but never before on a U.S. charge. The Canadian arrests include marijuana possession — particularly the seeds — for purposes of trafficking. He has been convicted of some charges, and according to his Web site, he was most recently sentenced to 92 days in jail for trafficking and possession.
Officials say Emery sold marijuana to undercover agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration both by mail and in person.
Emery has been active in pushing for marijuana legalization. He has run for mayor of Vancouver and his marijuana party's slogan is "overgrowing the government."
Because of treaties between the U.S. and Canada, U.S. attorney Sullivan said, if Emery is convicted in the United States he could request to serve his time in Canada, where he might be eligible for release sooner. Sullivan said U.S. authorities will have a chance to weigh in on his release to Canadian custody but that his transfer would still be possible.
"That's one of the frustrations with prisoners who are sent to Canada," Sullivan said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._emery30m.html

Illegal seeds seems like another one of those laws that can't be enforced very well.

so do u think it would safe if swim bought some seeds online?

[old hippie 56]

If a person knows some local growers, get some clones. Most of the commercial/med growers here in the states don't buy seeds. They get a good strain going and keep cuttings going off the mother plant.

[Police Officer]

It is illegal to buy and possess marijuana seeds in the United States.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

It is illegal to buy and possess marijuana seeds in the United States.

No sir not completely true, I live in a state where we are allowed to buy and or grow marijuana for medical purposes , if in possession of the proper medical referrals.
I do however realize that this is state law and not federal law, so it would be considered illegal on a fed level, but the state says ok.

now as far as the buying of seeds from any seed bank via U.S. mail is strickly unlawful.

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Whether or not to permit the use of marijuana for medical purposes is both a public policy issue and a contentious legal issue, especially in California. Under federal law (the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 marijuana use for any purpose is illegal. The federal law has not stopped a number of states from enacting medical marijuana legislation. California was one of the first. In 1996 California voters passed Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act, legalizing marijuana for medical use. Proposition 215 permits seriously ill Californians to use marijuana, provided they first obtain a doctor's recommendation. Proposition 215 also gives doctors a legal defense against professional or legal sanctions for recommending marijuana use.
Proposition 215 put California law in direct conflict with federal law, and litigation ensued. The key case began in January 1998 when the U.S. government sued the Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative (OCBC) in federal district court for violating the Controlled Substances Act. The government asked that the OCBC be banned from distributing cannabis to member patients. The medicinal marijuana group rebutted that it acted out of "medical necessity" on behalf of seriously ill citizens, and that such a medical necessity should stand as an exception to the law. The district court ruled in favor of the U.S. government, causing a temporary shutdown of the OCBC, but the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, holding that a medical necessity defense existed. The Supreme Court took the case and unanimously overturned Proposition 215 in a May 2001 decision.
The Supreme Court decision did not put an end to the California litigation. In January 2003 Ed Rosenthal, a medical marijuana advocate who grows the drug for use by the sick, was brought to trial in district court and found guilty on federal drug charges. Rosenthal's attorneys maintained that Rosenthal was legally growing the drug as "an officer of the city" under Oakland's local medical marijuana law. The judge ruled that this defense was not valid under federal law and did not allow the defense to be presented at trial. After the verdict, five jurors came forward and claimed that, had they known that Rosenthal had official sanction to provide marijuana under Oakland's medical marijuana law, they would not have found him guilty. They issued a public apology to Rosenthal and demanded that the judge grant him a new trial. Rosenthal's attorneys are reportedly considering an appeal of the district court verdict.

The opposing sides in the legalization debate have strongly held views. Legalization advocates claim that marijuana significantly lessens pain and alleviates nausea resulting from serious diseases. Anti-drug groups contend that legalizing marijuana for medical use is a smokescreen designed to enable more access to a dangerous substance.
On June 5th, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer, cited ?extraordinary circumstances? in Rosenthal?s trial, including the statements of the jurors that he had not received a fair trial. The judge sentenced Rosenthal to just one day in jail. He then waived the sentence for time already served after Rosenthal's arrest last year. Whether Judge Breyer's ruling will have an impact on federal policy is unclear. Opponents of medical marijuana claim that federal law clearly has precedent in drug cases, while some states rights and medical marijuana advocates have challenged the supremacy of federal law. As a result of the Rosenthal case, U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) introduced a bill in the House, HR 2233 , that would force the federal government to recognize state laws on medical use of marijuana. U.S. Reps. Sam Farr (D-Carmel) and Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach) have also proposed a bill, ?The Truth in Trials Act? or HR 1717 IH, which would amend the federal Controlled Substances Act to allow state laws relating to medicinal marijuana to be raised in federal court cases.

[allyourbase]

it is illegal to sell seeds within the united states. end of story, possession is a local matter, even in the harshest of states, a misdemeanor at best. the united states has been known to use trade agreements NAFTA et al to prosecute those who, from outside the US sell any part of any cannabis plant strain (including ruderalis AKA industrial hemp) for example look up mark emery. he is a martyr to the cause.

[Swimster]

The sources are easy to find, a couple of real popular online seed banks have forums embedded into their sites. While many people enjoy being a member of their forums more then buying seeds. they have great communitys, and growing guides.

The last place swim was a a member of, mentioned how they ship the seeds inbetween a peice of cardboard, when shipping to the U.S (the kind that is sponge-like)

[dr ACE]

well it don't make much sense ANY of the laws that America currently has regarding Cannabis. in Canada for sure,and in some of the U.S states,there are ammendments to the law that allow medical users with 'terminal illnesse's certificates' from their doctors to grow a couple of plants for their own use right?,.but there not allowed to buy seeds right? so how the funk are they suppose to grow the plants do governments just get dumber and dumber??.and on a side note green that is raised from seed is usually stronger better plants than clones.

what the hell is Marc emery suppose to have done wrong?,apart from break a few dumb ass laws which are sketchy at best.

It would seems he's succeeded in embarrassing the dumb ass U.S government's drug policy even further on this ridiculous 'medical cannabis' issue.he is making big time $bucks form selling medical grade seeds through the mail!!,and the dumb ass old government isn't getting a single dime from him in tax maybe that is what is fuelling their ignorant 'war against' cannabis growers/users.

funking pig natzi bastards,this issue is starting to get to swim lol!

[rxbandit]

I think it might mean that the majority of cannabis growers are never caught?

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

I was just skimming the posts and seen that. Does that make sense to anybody?

yes, it makes sense. The police don't consider those actions a priority.. they understand that they have a bigger responsibility , they are using the resources at hand to bring in a man who has killed or raped.

PO you told us about the meth addict who robbed and stole cars to support his crank habit, what if the meth he enjoys was available via legal avenues, then would he need to do the crimes to support his lusts? I think not.

[Raoul duke420]

SWIM just ordered some seeds from an online vendor and they were delivered 2 weeks later in the original breeder packs. This is SWIMS forth time ordering seeds and everytime had been a Great Success!