Green Dragon

[Akewstick]

I have UTFSE, sorry if I missed anything.

SWIM wants to try Green Dragon (bud soaked in alcohol), but he's heard that you really need months to do it. He wants to know: what's the shortest time he could get away with soaking the bud? He knows the longer the better, but when is the earliest he should attempt it?

Also, what would his bud:vodka ratio need to be? One shot for every gram of bud? or more than that?

[Nature Boy]

Is SWIY thinking of smoking this? I wouldn't advise it. One should only drink Green Dragon. Like with wines, months, maybe even years, would bring about a better result but I imagine satisfactory results could be achieved in a week if kept in a cool, dark place. The standard is probably about 1/4oz. of weed per 750ml of vodka. SWIM's no expert though. Await further opinion.

[jesusfreak666er]

swim has heard in high proof alc (everclear) 2-3 weeks is suffient but the longer the better... use all parts of the plants, swim recomends use of cheap mids or lows, go with alot of crap rather than a smaller amount of headies.

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[Akewstick]

Thanks to both of you, SWIM will take all of this into account, the other thing is, how much would he need to do?

Presuming he got the proprtions right, how much would he need to drink? enough spirit to contain a of a gram of bud, like eating? or more like a smoking dose, like 0.2-3 grams?

SWIM will deffinately take into account jesusfreak's comments about mids and lows.

And yes, SWIM was planning to drink, not smoke.

[Nature Boy]

I suppose one would go about drinking it just like they would with straight vodka or everclear or whatever SWIY uses. Start with a few shots and take it from there.

[Akewstick]

I suppose one would go about drinking it just like they would with straight vodka or everclear or whatever SWIY uses. Start with a few shots and take it from there.

Good point, SWIM wouldn't have thought of that, he's a bit slow. He would appreciate any info anyone has on approx. how much bud he would need to consume to get the effects?

Another thing is, how long does it take to kick in? A few seconds-minutes, like alcohol? Or up to an hour like orally ingested weed?

[Nature Boy]

As I said, about 1/4oz. of weed.

In regards to the second question, way quicker. Like alcohol probably only the THC might take slightly longer to kick in. Since it's liquid though, I couldn't imagine it would take long.

[Akewstick]

As I said, about 1/4oz. of weed.

I know you said a 1/4oz of bud goes into every 750ml of vodka, but surely SWIM wouldn't be expected to consume that much in one go.

Green dragon does seem quite attractive, dosen't it?

[Nature Boy]

The idea would be to squeeze the 1/4oz. of bud into a 750ml bottle of vodka or put the entire combination of the two into a different container. Let the weed work through it for a few weeks and when done, strain and pour into a shot glass like normal vodka and drink. I wouldn't say it's worth bothering throwing say, one or two grams into a little amount of vodka. SWIY wants a good amount as to right off any placebo. A small amount of weed in a small drop of vodka may not be noticable at all.

Green Dragon sounds ok to SWIM but would rather not waste the weed that way. He would need an abundance if he were to undertake anything like that and SWIM usually buys small enough amounts of stronger gear.

[Akewstick]

I see where you're coming from, but 1/4oz of bud in 750ml of vodka is a pretty low ratio, 750ml is a lot of vodka, that'd mean there was only about 0.25 gs of bud in each shot. I'm thinking that if 0.25gs of bud is all that can be dissolved into one shot of vodka, then why would putting a gram of bud in 4 shots of vodka be any different?

[Nature Boy]

1/4oz. is a minimalistic estimate. By all means SWIY could throw an entire 1oz. or more in there. A lot of it depends on the strength of the bud too. Perhaps SWIY could buy a smaller amount of vodka, maybe a medium-sized bottle too and work from there.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

read that oral dosage is 3x what SWIY normally smokes

[Akewstick]

3X smoke dose seems to make sense to SWIM, it's mildly educated guesses related to how much you need to smoke/eat.

SWIM also read that if the bottle is kept warm (obviously not too hot as the dangers of breaking hot glass), the extraction happens faster, and the results are better in shorter periods of time, any info on this?

Editted to add: After much hard work, SWIM has found a source that categorically states that the spirit:weed ratio should be 1 gram to every 2 shots, this is going on bud and not leaves and sticks and shit.

[Bajeda]

It may be a good idea to chop up the bud and remove stems before swiy sticks it in the bottle.

[Akewstick]

It may be a good idea to chop up the bud and remove stems before swiy sticks it in the bottle.

Chopping/Grinding, SWIM can understand, increase the surface area and all that. But why take the stems out? They can't cause any harm, they prolly don't have a lot of THC in, but the more the merrier.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Akewstick

Chopping/Grinding, SWIM can understand, increase the surface area and all that. But why take the stems out? They can't cause any harm, they prolly don't have a lot of THC in, but the more the merrier.

It just seems that they would add to the clutter, especially given the limited space of the bottle.

Also swim has experimented with making tea with boiled leaves and stems and its amazing how little THC they have in them. Its really not worth it to put them in there, unless swiy doesn't mind fitting them in the bottle and then straining them out as well afterwards. Not much benefit though, besides possibly adding more to the taste.

[Alicia]

Also Weed well its constitutes that make one high are not WATER Soluble , however they are soluble in fats and alcohol's more effectively depending on its alcohol content. That and honey seems to be good for that as well specially when mixing with alcohol.

or just do what swia does grind and powdered your bud,make pollen (hash) out of it say around four eight's. Let it soak in your alcohol of choice. Swia herself likes making absinth mixtures using honey as the carry to the alcohol in the absinth. Or my favorite find a bottle of wine pour the pollen Powdered hash (after you'd made it from bud) now because of the lower alcohol content of the wine it will need to be left. you can do this with bud, but its more ideal to do this with hash or powdered kif made from buds as then you wont get the other unwanted bits of the plant material.After a couple of months or forever long you can wait.Filter the wine with a coffee filter or kitchen paper wrapped up to remove the spent powdered hash or kif. Clean out the original bottle and then fill your empty wine bottle with altered wine. Mark the bottle so u know its laced. Swim always puts colored stickies on the top of bottle so she knows. Swia once forget she had a simple bottle of lambrisco wine that had been left for a year with two eight's of pollen in with it, needless to say after drinking a glass of the fizzy wine that swia was then stuck to her chair for the best part of the evening, listening with boyo as the radio on the classics played while swia stared at the ceiling. watching the shadows bounce of surfaces around the room as swia sunk further in to the sofa. Be-careful thou is also a lot more easier to consume both this way, Alcohol and weed intoxication is ok up to a point. swia has always thought that they build with each other or go there separate ways when two much of either is consumed,

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[Akewstick]

That's an awesome idea, Alicia. SWIM hasn't ever gotten any homemade kief (and the hash he's able to buy is questionable), but as soon as he can get off his arse and buy a grinder with a screen in it, he'll deffinately be doing this.

SWIM's thinking with green dragon was not to get the effects of both Dope+Alcohol, he has a bit of an alcohol tolerance, enough so that drinking 2 shots of vodka with the equivalent THC of One gram of bud, the alcohol would have little effect on him. He was looking to use it as a method of getting a better high out of THC, not of mixing it's effects with alcohol. As previously stated, if he wanted that, he'd just drink some spirits and have a smoke. This is the reason SWIM wanted to know how strongly concentrated with THC he could make green dragon vodka, so he could get the most THC without getting drunk.

I'll report back SWIM's findings when his experiment comes to a close.

[jesusfreak666er]

remember the when in refrence to how much pot to put in that the amount of alcohol is not the limiting factor the pot is, thc is rather soluble in alc and therefore one can use a good amount, the thing is finding a good balance, if one uses too lil pot they end up with a drunken sorta high feeling and that tends to mask the magic of green dragon. One wants to get as lil alcohol as possible, so swim recomends 1/2 oz for a nice vodka bottle to have something worth while and dont forget those stems! Save your stems and throw em in the bottle... even better grind everything up and throw it in the bottle and shake it up.

[Akewstick]

I spoke to SWIM again today, he says he's ground up a gram of bud and put it in a single shot of white rum, maybe a little less. It's in an airtight container brewing up as I type, i'll speak to him again a few weeks from now, see how it goes, and let you know. Fingers crossed!

[Nature Boy]

One would have to wonder whether one shot and a gram mixed would actually produce notable or worthwhile effects. Let us know about it. To be honest, SWIM would probably much rather smoke the gram and drink the shot. I imagine it would bring about more effects.

[Akewstick]

Yeah, SWIM has his doubts, but it's an experiment, and that's the nature of experiments.

[amblerg]

i have heard that 1gram to 1oz is a good ratio. and the higher the alcohol content the better for extraction

[Akewstick]

Well after converting US fluid ounces into SI, i discovered that 1oz in the US is just over a shot, so if amblerg's ratio is right, that's exactly how SWIM made his green dragon, the result: fuck all.

Sorry SWIM didn't report after he tried the green dragon, he was pretty dissapointed and forgot about the thread.

He may try again, but he may just stick to eating bud.

[amblerg]

swim has started conducting his experiment with 4grams high quality cannabis buds and 4.5 ounces of moonshine. the moonshine used is clear 90% pure (not proof) and is unbearable to drink. swim plans to let this mixture sit in a cool dark place for at least 30 days to have optimum effects. the only problem swim seems faced with is the potency of the alcohol. this liquid smells so incredibly strongly that it is very unpleasant to smell and very very hard to drink straight.

swim was wondering if mixing the tinitcure/green dragon with a soft drink such as tonic water, sprite, etc. would in any way effect the psychoactivity.

swim was also wondering if the time that the plant matter soaks in the alcohol has any correlation between bioavaliability and/or potency.

thanks in advance
AmblerG

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