Adderall vs Desoxyn

[Beanfondler]

Swim is not currently perscriped any stimulants for ADHD but will be going to see a doctor to do just that. Swim is going to get the perscription mainly for recreational purposes. Before anyone goes into how it is unlikely that Swim convinces his doctor to perscribe him what he wants, don't worry he has those bases covered.

Swim has narrowed down what he would like to try and get on. It is between Adderall IR and Desoxyn (methanphatemine). Swim knows that the Desoxyn is more potent but it only comes in 5mg doses and Swim also knows that he would be able to get somewhere in the range of 10mg adderall instead. What Swim wants to know is what perscription has greater recreational potentional, considering that the Desoxyn is likely to be limited to 5mg doses and Swim can probably work up to 15-20mg doses of Adderall IR. So is a lesser dosage of Desoxyn (methanphetamine) more recreational than a higher dosage of Adderall IR?

[Forthesevenlakes]

a lesser dosage of desoxyn would probably be more recreational than a higher dosage of adderall, however, swim does not think desoxyn is usually prescribed for adhd. usually its prescribed for weight loss issues where the person is unable to lose weight any other way, to swims understanding.

[Beanfondler]

To the best of Swim's knowlegde Desoxyn is no longer approved in the US for weight loss, and is mainly perscribed for ADHD. Swim isn't garaunteed to get Desoxyn, but he does think that it is very likely given his circumstances. Whether or not he is likely to get the perscription isn't what he is worried about though, that information is available. How Desoxyn and Adderall compare isn't as easy to find.

[computergod]

Don't forget that Desoxyn costs quite a bit more. I would personally go with dexedrine since it does not last that long and won't keep you up too late, it is more recreational then adderal as well.

[Beanfondler]

Swim doesn't mind the cost, has very good medical insurance. Swim will probably go for Dexedrine if Desoxyn falls through, but what Swim is wondering if anyone either knows or could guess as to what the equivelancy of Desoxyn (methanphetamine) and Adderall or Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) is? Also who needs sleep? Swim just wants the most potent substance he can get.

[jesusfreak666er]

well meth is definately more potent but dexedrine is 2x stronger than adderall (dextro rather than dextro +levo) but swim has heard one intresting thing that desoxyn isnt snortable, they add something so ppl like swiy can not snort it, so if snorting is in mind then take meth off the list. If swiy is willing to learn some extraction swim thinks its possible (idk how) to preform extractions leavin swiy with a smokeable/snortable recipe... but if oral is all swiy cares about and raw equivelancy then desoxyn is the best of the best... its meth, and its pure (well minus fillers and such, but far purer than the shit one gets from jeff foxworthy's cousin's trailor)

[mspen1018]

I like the glaxxo 5 mg dexedrine better than any of the others... the old Desoxyn Gradumet 15 mg tabs were good (was on 60 mg per day in 1997) but the new desoxyn really sucks did a trial on them a couple months ago and the older desoxyn are great (i have adhd by the way) but the best amphetamine in my opinion is the dexedrine tabs they have the SKF E19 on the golden shield shaped things and work like a charm....

[speedman]

Methamphetamine hydrochloride ismuch more potent and stronger than adderall.

[Angeldevil2u]

Greetings Hope this Helps:
Adderall is a mix of two amphetamines & two amphetamine salts. So, Adderall is 1/4 Dexedrine (D-amphetamine) & 1/4 Benzedrine (d,l racemic amphetamine). The other two amphetamine salts I am not that familiar with- I believe they have not been marketed by themselves in the last 50 years. Adderall used to be called Obetrol, an old DIET PILL until Shire pharmaceuticals bought it, renamed it, put it through ADD trials & now has captured an ever-increasing share of the ADD market.

Anyways, Benzedrine (d,l racemic amphetamine) was taken off the market long ago because it causes major peripheral stimulation (nervousness) without much CNS stimulation. It is also one of the most famous drugs of abuse of the 1960s. The Benzedrine asthma inhaler had a benzedrine pill in it that people would take out & snort, shoot, or just add it to their morning coffee. So it was taken off the market.

Dexedrine is far superior to Benzedrine since it causes 5 times as much CNS brain stimulation without as much peripheral stimulation as d,l amphetamine. This is because it contains only the good isomer, the d-isomer of amphetamine.

I do not know in which order the four different amphetamines of Adderall kick in. Adderall is designed to last 6 hours. But it sounds like you might benefit from a longer acting stimulant rather than a short acting one- as long as blood levels of amphetamine are rising, you experience a positive effect, but once they start coming down dysphoria usually sets in.

Keep in mind that Vitamin A, & anything acidic like fruit juices or cola increases the excretion, reduces absorptions & lessens the effects of any amphetamine. So it is best to drink water. Anything that reduces stomach acid or that increases the alkalinity of your stomach increases the absorption of amphetamines & lessens urinary excretion thus prolonging its duration of action. Baking Soda, which is very alkaline, is the best agent for this purpose- On the side of the Arm & Hammer box is a recipe for Baking Soda antacid. If you take this with your amphetamine you will notice a huge difference.

Ritalin, Focalin, Concerta- all forms of methyphenidate do NOT cause as much peripheral stimulation as Adderall or Dexedrine. (20 mg of Ritalin= 10 mg of Dexedrine). Methylphenidate is primarily a pretty selective brain stimulant with fewer peripheral & less prominent anorexic effects. But I noticed Ritalin makes you shy & introverted while Dexedrine & Adderall make you confident & outgoing. Concerta & Ritalin are good for ADD but not for mood (or as an anti-depressant).

If I were you I would ask for Dexedrine Spansules (available in 5, 10 or 15 mg dosages) or Adderall XR. Keep in mind, in order to maintain effaciousness, that when switching to a long acting amphetamine the dose is usually increased by atleast 20% of your daily dose of IR Dexedrine or Adderall. Because Dexedrine Spansules last 11 hours you have to be sure to get a high enough dose to be effective. (I think the peak effects are at eight hours post dose). The good thing about the Dexedrine spansules is that you only have to take your total daily dose once a day (in the morning). Dexedrine used to be called the "basic antidepressant" back in the 1950s. Either of these would probably be an improvement since there is less of a comedown & hence less dysphoria- I would recommend the Dexedrine Spansules because they cause more brain stimulation & less nervousness/peripheral stimulation than Adderall or Adderall XR. Spansule technology is an old technology, so I don't know how well it works, so I would ask for the highest dose you could and then titrate it down if its too high. Spansules supposed to release an effective dose immediately and the rest is released in 4? stages throughout the day. I myself am hoping to get rid of the 200 mg Provigil I am taking, which is a glorified $5 a pill version of extended release caffeine & switch to Dexedrine Spansules.

There is immediate release Dexedrine but it is only available in 5 mg tablets. Dexedrine lasts almost as long as Adderall (4.5 to 6+ hours) but you will still have the same come-down/rebound crappy feeling. Dextrostat is the exact same thing (d-amphetamine) except its cheaper & they offer both 5 & 10 mg tablets.

The only other choice would be Desoxyn (Abbott laboratories) which lasts for a long time- it is the pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine hcl. Unlike the street version, Desoxyn is a clean safe version & is sometimes prescribed for children with ADD. It is (much) more expensive & only comes in 5 mg tablets, but I believe it lasts atleast 8 hours. Most doctors won't prescribe it because of its generic name.
Angel

[Christian1122]

Considering the fact that Desoxyn is 100% pharmaceutical grade Methamphetamine, My buddy would say that.

[Donmeka]

SWIM has had a very long history with both and says with 100% confidence that Desoxyn is THE best ADHD medication and the PROs outweigh the CONs more than any other medication of its class.

The only reason SWIM is taking 30mg IR Adderall 2z daily atm for the past year or maybe less(he is not sure exactly) is because of the staggering price of desoxyn in his home state and SWIM has no insurance.

SWIM went from 10Mg adderall to 20mg to desoxyn because the adderall made him quite jittery and even though he has an abundance of 2mf xanax bars he could use to counter those side-effects, he would rather not.

SWIM did his research and found out about desoxyn and brought a stack of paperwork to his psychologist showing how people have reported much better results and less side effects and also better facts frmo a medical/chemical standpoint. SWIM's doc trusts his knowledge, judgment and his ability to act responsibly despite his past history of drug use. SWIM told him if things didn't work out well he would gladly stop the RX and happily go to Rehab/

It has been 4 years later and SWIM is still receiving 60 adderall 30mg and 90 Xanax 2mg a month and has yet to develop any sort of negative side effect or problems concerning addiction to either substance. Once SWIM is able to have medical insurance again he will be switching back to Desoxyn as soon as he is able to.


ALL IN ALL


DESOXYN > ADDERALL

RECREATIONAL VALUE

DESOXYN = ADDERALL

I SAY THIS BECAUSE FOR EUPHORIA AND ALL THE POSITIVE NOTICEABLE EFFECTS FROM DESOXYN ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO ADDERALL BUT IF ONE WANTS TO GET TWEAKY DEAKY FREAKY ZEAKY TWACKED SWIM THINKs ENOUGH ADDERALL WOULD DO THE JOB A BIT BETTER.

[MisterV]

Originally Posted by Donmeka

It has been 4 years later and SWIM is still receiving 60 adderall 30mg and 90 Xanax 2mg a month and has yet to develop any sort of negative side effect or problems concerning addiction to either substance.

This is a joke, right? SWIY takes 6mg of alprazolam a day and doesnt consider that as an addiction. Perhaps SWIY should look over his med dose again...

[Donmeka]

SWIM never said he took 6mg daily if he did oops his bad but he does RECEIVE 90 Alprazolam 2mg bars.


let SWIM just say daddy needs a new cellular.

SWIM did once take 2mg nightly for 30 days as an experiment to see the effects of stopping suddenly. SWIMs conclusion came to no negative effects to report.

to SWIM it all depends on the patient. sure SWIM is young and gets some RXs that most American citizens fight hard for and never get but not once has SWIM almost overdosed or accidentally mixed them with too much beer or w/e.

SWIM actually does need 6mg of alprazolam extremely rarely when his anxiety is more unbearable than normal.

3yrs+ and no problems SWIM is a happy camper dpnt hate the player hate the game

[WheatThins]

in response to the original poster:
based on my limited experience with desoxyn and my very extensive (maybe a little too extensive) experience with adderall and other amphetamine pills, i would have to say that desoxyn definitely has the advantage as a recreational substance if price is not a factor. desoxyn gives me a cleaner feeling high (possibly due to using less and for a shorter period of time than i would with adderall) and a more euphoric feeling throughout my body, more of that top of the world feeling. personally though i'm not a big fan of stimulants due to the comedown so if i had ADHD i'd have to go with ritalin

WheatThins added 19 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

accidently reffered to swim as me/i. really need to work on that

[Songcycle67]

SWIM sent the following:

Sorry for this digression, but, 6mg Xanax is quite a bit for a new user, but for a person who has been on it for longer than a year straight, it's pretty standard. I'm prescribed 8mg per day (4 2mg bars) and 40mg adderall (twice daily), but I only take 4mg of the Xanax usually. Xanax tolerance buidls very quickly and 2mg seems like nothing now. Especially for people with generalized stress syndromes and ADHD (of which I have both) it is very common to prescribe Adderall with quite high doses of Xanax in general.

Aside from that, 4mg is generally cited as a safe dose, even for new users, where withdrawal is concerned.

Usually heavy withdrawal is only associated with binge users of fairly large amounts. Even a weekend of heavy Xanax abuse will result in a severe biochemical hangover and possibly even strong withdrawal symptoms such as tremors.

I myself have neverr experienced withdrawal and I take them regularly, but have gone for over a week without them without problems.

A lot of Xanax addiction is psychological under 4mg-6mg.

[nleksan]

Preface: This post will be kinda short, but SWIM has EXTENSIVE experience with Desoxyn (dextro-methamphetamine hydrochloride 5mg IR tablets produced by Ovation Labs; white pills with "OV" on one side and "12" on the other), but SWIM does not want to bore everyone with nearly 3 years of experience using it alone and with a literal cornucopia of substances and how well they work together, or if they don't.

Anyway....

SWIM was prescribed Desoxyn 5mg Tablets for about 2 1/2 years, at a quantity of #120 per month. Directions were to take 2*5mg tablets in the AM and then 2*5mg tablets in the early afternoon.

**Note** SWIM was at the same time also Rx'd the following: #90 1mg Klonopin (clonazepam brand-name) 2x1mg immediately upon waking 1x1mg in afternoon, #60 30mg Temazepam (brand name: Restoril) 2x30mg at night, #60 30mg Flurazepam (brand name: Dalmane) 2x30mg at night, #60 150mg Lyrica (pregablin brand-name) 2x150mg in AM, and for some time also #60 40mg Opana ER (oxymorphone controlled-release) 1x20mg AM and 1x20mg PM, #120 20mg OxyContin 1x20mg every 6hrs, #120 7.5/325mg Percocet (oxycodone/APAP) 1-2tabx4-6hr, and finally #90 350mg Carisaprodol (brand name Soma) 1tab 3x/day.
Those were good times... Ahhh

SWIM switched to Desoxyn from Dexedrine IR 10mg (started at 20mg a day and ended up at 60mg a day), and despite the lower dose numerically, SWIM's socks were blown off with just 10-15mg Desoxyn orally. It is a completely different feeling from what SWIY would probably expect, because SWIM was quite surprised. The following paragraph(s) will do their best to describe the pros and cons of Desoxyn, especially in comparison to other comparable drugs such as d,-amphetamine, levo-amphetamine, racemic amphetamine, racemic methamphetamine, racemic methylphenidate, and d,-methylphenidate (all of which SWIM has been Rx'd, legitimately, over the past 8 or 9 years for ADD).

*Interesting Fact* The name "Desoxyn" comes from one of the chemical names for methamphetamine, desoxyephedrine. And now you know... and knowing is half the battle! GO JOE
Sorry, SWIM couldn't help himself

When SWIM first took Desoxyn, he took 10mg orally (T+0h). The first thing he noticed was that the "come-up" was incredibly fast for a PO drug, as SWIM was feeling the effects within 8-10min of administration. It was taken on an empty stomach, also. The peak came around 20-25min after administration, and SWIM noticed that it was MUCH calmer than Dexedrine (from which he switched to Desoxyn). It felt just like there were "waves" flowing through his body, and it felt really good. SWIM was able to read a magazine easily (Rolling Stone "500 Greatest Songs" issue), and was at the dog park with SWIM's dog and decided to get up and run around with her. SWIM felt great, very euphoric, but he also noticed feeling quite calm and without the typical amphetamine-induced heart palpitations.
SWIM went home after about an hour at the park (T+2.5h) and decided to just kind of chill at home during his first experience with this new drug. The peak was still going strong. SWIM knows that the following may or may not have altered the "experiment", but at about T+3h, SWIM consumed 15mg Oxymorphone intravenously. SWIM said "may or may not have" because, at the time, SWIM was using between 65-90mg of IV Oxymorphone, so those 15mg were really just a "booster" or "stay-well" shot. Anyway, SWIM enjoyed the Oxymorphone, and felt that the rush may have been potentiated by the Desoxyn (later experimenting shows this to be true, to some degree). SWIM decided to head over to his friends' house and show off his awesome new Rx to them. He arrived at approximately T+5h and showed his friends his newly found wealth. He offered some to some friends (only his GOOD friends; not to the douchebags who SAY they'll "hit ya back", but never do), 2*5mg per person. SWIM rants and raves about how awesome it is, and Friend One (F1 from now) decides to insufflate them while Friend Two (F2 here-on-out) decides orally is the best choice and swallows them down. SWIM laughs to himself, as it is around 8pm and F1 and F2 have little to no tolerance to amphetamines.
Sorry, I'm starting to rant.
SWIM and his two friends hung out for a while, all enjoying the effects. F1 thought the come-up was quite quick and that it was very intense. F2 enjoyed the slower, but still quite quick come-up. SWIM departed about 4 hours later, or T+9h, just as the effects were starting to wear off. SWIM had a gentle come-down for about 3 hours after he arrived home, and was able to fall asleep with just his usual dose of Temazepam (60mg). SWIM woke up after a 9ish-hour sleep feeling fairly refreshed, and was read to start his first full day of Desoxyn, which is 2*5mg upon waking and then 2*5mg in the early afternoon (~3pm).

Okay, SWIM's fingers are hurting, and he promises he will come back later to finish this post because he has a lot more interesting info to share.

In the meanwhile, if any fellow swimmers have a question, they can either PM "nleksan" or post the question in this thread. THANKS!

[rxjunky]

Originally Posted by nleksan

Preface: This post will be kinda short, but SWIM has EXTENSIVE experience with Desoxyn (dextro-methamphetamine hydrochloride 5mg IR tablets produced by Ovation Labs; white pills with "OV" on one side and "12" on the other), but SWIM does not want to bore everyone with nearly 3 years of experience using it alone and with a literal cornucopia of substances and how well they work together, or if they don't.

Anyway....

SWIM was prescribed Desoxyn 5mg Tablets for about 2 1/2 years, at a quantity of #120 per month. Directions were to take 2*5mg tablets in the AM and then 2*5mg tablets in the early afternoon.

**Note** SWIM was at the same time also Rx'd the following: #90 1mg Klonopin (clonazepam brand-name) 2x1mg immediately upon waking 1x1mg in afternoon, #60 30mg Temazepam (brand name: Restoril) 2x30mg at night, #60 30mg Flurazepam (brand name: Dalmane) 2x30mg at night, #60 150mg Lyrica (pregablin brand-name) 2x150mg in AM, and for some time also #60 40mg Opana ER (oxymorphone controlled-release) 1x20mg AM and 1x20mg PM, #120 20mg OxyContin 1x20mg every 6hrs, #120 7.5/325mg Percocet (oxycodone/APAP) 1-2tabx4-6hr, and finally #90 350mg Carisaprodol (brand name Soma) 1tab 3x/day.
Those were good times... Ahhh

SWIM switched to Desoxyn from Dexedrine IR 10mg (started at 20mg a day and ended up at 60mg a day), and despite the lower dose numerically, SWIM's socks were blown off with just 10-15mg Desoxyn orally. It is a completely different feeling from what SWIY would probably expect, because SWIM was quite surprised. The following paragraph(s) will do their best to describe the pros and cons of Desoxyn, especially in comparison to other comparable drugs such as d,-amphetamine, levo-amphetamine, racemic amphetamine, racemic methamphetamine, racemic methylphenidate, and d,-methylphenidate (all of which SWIM has been Rx'd, legitimately, over the past 8 or 9 years for ADD).

*Interesting Fact* The name "Desoxyn" comes from one of the chemical names for methamphetamine, desoxyephedrine. And now you know... and knowing is half the battle! GO JOE
Sorry, SWIM couldn't help himself

When SWIM first took Desoxyn, he took 10mg orally (T+0h). The first thing he noticed was that the "come-up" was incredibly fast for a PO drug, as SWIM was feeling the effects within 8-10min of administration. It was taken on an empty stomach, also. The peak came around 20-25min after administration, and SWIM noticed that it was MUCH calmer than Dexedrine (from which he switched to Desoxyn). It felt just like there were "waves" flowing through his body, and it felt really good. SWIM was able to read a magazine easily (Rolling Stone "500 Greatest Songs" issue), and was at the dog park with SWIM's dog and decided to get up and run around with her. SWIM felt great, very euphoric, but he also noticed feeling quite calm and without the typical amphetamine-induced heart palpitations.
SWIM went home after about an hour at the park (T+2.5h) and decided to just kind of chill at home during his first experience with this new drug. The peak was still going strong. SWIM knows that the following may or may not have altered the "experiment", but at about T+3h, SWIM consumed 15mg Oxymorphone intravenously. SWIM said "may or may not have" because, at the time, SWIM was using between 65-90mg of IV Oxymorphone, so those 15mg were really just a "booster" or "stay-well" shot. Anyway, SWIM enjoyed the Oxymorphone, and felt that the rush may have been potentiated by the Desoxyn (later experimenting shows this to be true, to some degree). SWIM decided to head over to his friends' house and show off his awesome new Rx to them. He arrived at approximately T+5h and showed his friends his newly found wealth. He offered some to some friends (only his GOOD friends; not to the douchebags who SAY they'll "hit ya back", but never do), 2*5mg per person. SWIM rants and raves about how awesome it is, and Friend One (F1 from now) decides to insufflate them while Friend Two (F2 here-on-out) decides orally is the best choice and swallows them down. SWIM laughs to himself, as it is around 8pm and F1 and F2 have little to no tolerance to amphetamines.
Sorry, I'm starting to rant.
SWIM and his two friends hung out for a while, all enjoying the effects. F1 thought the come-up was quite quick and that it was very intense. F2 enjoyed the slower, but still quite quick come-up. SWIM departed about 4 hours later, or T+9h, just as the effects were starting to wear off. SWIM had a gentle come-down for about 3 hours after he arrived home, and was able to fall asleep with just his usual dose of Temazepam (60mg). SWIM woke up after a 9ish-hour sleep feeling fairly refreshed, and was read to start his first full day of Desoxyn, which is 2*5mg upon waking and then 2*5mg in the early afternoon (~3pm).

Okay, SWIM's fingers are hurting, and he promises he will come back later to finish this post because he has a lot more interesting info to share.

In the meanwhile, if any fellow swimmers have a question, they can either PM "nleksan" or post the question in this thread. THANKS!

re*Note** SWIM was at the same time also Rx'd the following: #90 1mg Klonopin (clonazepam brand-name) 2x1mg immediately upon waking 1x1mg in afternoon, #60 30mg Temazepam (brand name: Restoril) 2x30mg at night, #60 30mg Flurazepam (brand name: Dalmane) 2x30mg at night, #60 150mg Lyrica (pregablin brand-name) 2x150mg in AM, and for some time also #60 40mg Opana ER (oxymorphone controlled-release) 1x20mg AM and 1x20mg PM, #120 20mg OxyContin 1x20mg every 6hrs, #120 7.5/325mg Percocet (oxycodone/APAP) 1-2tabx4-6hr, and finally #90 350mg Carisaprodol (brand name Soma) 1tab 3x/day.
Those were good times... Ahhh. . .
that is bullshit oxy contin and percs, oxymorphine as well, dalmane and ristoril. you are a fucking liar. . . .no dr would prescribe that. 60 mg ristoril and 60 dalmane. what is a perc gonna do ifyou are taking oxy and opane. this is all bull shit. . . .

[Songcycle67]

SWIM said this to me:

Desoxyn sounds really amazing. I definitely do enjoy a bit of recreational aspect to my experiences, euphoria and what-not, but not overwhelmingly so. It tends to make me really really sleepy. I went to my psychiatrist last week; I'm on adderall and was wanting to switch to Dexedrine. I just basically told her the truth, that I had researched "stimulant therapy" (key distinction ha!) and it seems that the non-dextro amphs are more or less filler. Of course they claim it's to make the comedown smoother, but I haven't noticed any difference.

Right now I'm taking Dexedrine IR 40mg per day (from 40mg adderall) and I've never felt so euphoric in my life, but at the same time I feel totally obsessed with being active. I know that sounds like a "duh" statement, but I'm extremely lethargic--I once took 50mg of adderall and fell asleep after ingestion.

I'm not sure if my tolerance is just low or what, but I have been taking these Dexedrine in 5mg doses and that seems like plenty. I haven't experienced any negative side effects. No more blurry vision. And I've also noticed that my thoughts come out clearer, whereas sometimes, with a touch too much adderall, your mouth can become a diarrhea fountain.


I do have the option of switching though, this is just trial.

So I have a few questions for you:

She suggested Vyvanese, which, sounds to me like such a more complicated problem with all the metabolisation issues. I mean you do eventually get the dextroamphetamine, but I can't stand taking drugs where you can't tell when it's gonna kick in. So I think I got that covered.

Do you think if she's going for Vyvanese I could feasibly ask for Desoxyn? I'm not too familiar with the comparative strengths of the two. Secondly, it didn't really implicitly say so in your message,; are you an actual ADHD sufferer? Finally, I do not want to even get near something like meth. If it's just a cousin or a mild analogue, that's cool. But meth is the one drug that really really scares me.

So if you have any advice I'd appreciate it!

Thanks!



Edit: NM, Desoxyn is just pharmaceutical Methamphetamine.