Higher productivity through Stimulants

[blinkKDX]

ephedra and caffeine in about a 25-30mg (eph.) to 200mg (caff.) combination.

great effects.

[MadShroomer]

oops SWIM saw amphetamines before adderall and already clicked :P
we'll yes for productivity definately, although certain bursts of increadible speed can be noted when adderall is taken and later ketamine used in moderate doses. WOOPWOOPWOOPWOOP time travel Weeeee

[Woodman]

I would have thought caffeine would lead over amphs.

[DrMuffy]

^^^^^^
In SWIdr's opinion amps are way better for productivity. Probably the reason why caffeine is voted for more is because more people have tried caffeine than amps.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

There must be alot of ADD patients here or something

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

There must be alot of ADD patients here or something

Self diagnosed and proud of it!

Caffeine is the reason I can work most days.....

One of my fav quotes;

Caffeine isn't a drug, it's a vitamin! ~Author Unknown

ahhh Vitamin C

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

There must be alot of ADD patients here or something

ADHD, its hyperactive cousin
Also, Methcathinone is NOT productive at all unless combined with adderall as the thought process patterns are much less focused than amphetamines and more rappid changing of focus.

[enquirewithin]

Coca tea, or green/red tea, is about the only stimulant SWIM would use for productivity.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Coca tea, or green/red tea, is about the only stimulant SWIM would use for productivity.

Yes to Coca Tea (and the leaves theirselves). These are wonderful for picking one up and allowing them to stay up. Unlike amphetamines, they don't then drop you and leave you feeling like you just fell out of a hot dryer. At least not when used in reasonable amounts.

[Bajeda]

lol, just like Adderall = Vitamin A (or at least for swim and his friends)

[arman]

SWIM tried amphetamine, ritalin, caffeine, ephedrine and meth for this purpose and in SWIM's experience a low meth dose taken orally can increase the productivity more than others without causing euphoria. But the only negative thing about oral meth is its long duration, sometimes SWIM has to take some downer to get some sleep. But there is a couple of papers here which proves SWIM's brain higher productivity while on low dose of meth.

Amphetamine is in the second place, cause it does very little help to speed up the brain comparing to meth.

Ritalin is nice if SWIM needs a quick brain boost that goes away in just 3 hours.

And about caffeine SWIM finds it nice for allowing someone to work more than what he normally can do. But very little boost for better/faster thinking (unless you are addicted to it). SWIM never used coffee more than once a day, SWIM uses on average 1 cup a week. In SWIM opinion caffeine is very addictive cause it is really easy to use and you can find it almost anywhere. SWIM doesn't want to become addicted to caffeine (coffee) like most of the people. Most caffeine addicts may never realize that they are really addicted to it because it is easy, cheap and you can buy it legally fro any shop. But it doesn't mean you are not addicted, you just never come down. If you are a heavy coffee user and not sure if you are addicted to caffeine, just don't use any caffeine for 1 day.

[Nacumen]

SWIM was a recent user of Dexmethylphenidate but stopped after it made it harder for him to focus. The initial mild euphoria and increased productivity began to only last for about 10 minutes before he was overtaken by countless hours of unbased anxiety.

SWIM tried to substitute with caffeine pills, but didn't observe much benefit from their use.

After reading some of these comments SWIM will probably give Propylhexedrine a shot, and if that doesn't work, he will probably go to his doctor to ask to discontinue his concerta prescription and try adderal or dexedrine, though it wont be an easy request.

[stoneinfocus]

Swim has to admit -nothing beats cocaine, it´s amazing -you might feel down, drousy, tired, burned out and with the first line you´ll feel absolutely "normal", awake, you find yourself working or doing things with commitment and laughing out loud over obviously funny things, swim otherwise wouldn´t have recognized to be there, in the first place, plus the learning curve seems to be greater within the effect and socialisation is more easily acquired along with a more fluent speech and mental sharpness.
Freud was right, at least with his statement, that "coke is a hell of a drug" *huhahuahua* ;-)

[DrMuffy]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

Swim has to admit -nothing beats cocaine, it´s amazing -you might feel down, drousy, tired, burned out and with the first line you´ll feel absolutely "normal", awake, you find yourself working or doing things with commitment and laughing out loud over obviously funny things, swim otherwise wouldn´t have recognized to be there, in the first place, plus the learning curve seems to be greater within the effect and socialisation is more easily acquired along with a more fluent speech and mental sharpness.
Freud was right, at least with his statement, that "coke is a hell of a drug" *huhahuahua* ;-)

Coke can be helpful, but only when taken in the right amount. Too much would cause the user to become distracted from all the euphoria and/or paranoia, which would make it very hard to get work done. And then of course there is the awful comedown, so one would have to redose semi-often to sustain their productivity.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by DrMuffy

Coke can be helpful, but only when taken in the right amount. Too much would cause the user to become distracted from all the euphoria and/or paranoia, which would make it very hard to get work done. And then of course there is the awful comedown, so one would have to redose semi-often to sustain their productivity.

which is why swim finds coca so much better than cocaine for such purposes. No overwhelming euphoria but a productive glow, no comedown, no distraction or physical overstimulation if one can keep libido under control, and no need to redose as one can keep a constant continuous dosage. And you can sleep afterwards. the perfect get down to work, concentrated, need no sleep need no food and last longuer substance. For working, cocaine is just too dosage sensitive, and lacks the benefits of the coca alkaloid cocktail as well. go with the leaves on this one...

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[kalininin]

Originally Posted by Benga

which is why swim finds coca so much better than cocaine for such purposes. No overwhelming euphoria but a productive glow, no comedown, no distraction or physical overstimulation if one can keep libido under control, and no need to redose as one can keep a constant continuous dosage. And you can sleep afterwards. the perfect get down to work, concentrated, need no sleep need no food and last longuer substance. For working, cocaine is just too dosage sensitive, and lacks the benefits of the coca alkaloid cocktail as well. go with the leaves on this one...

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yeah, if a swiy lives in peru or bolivia....but without wanting to talk sources, do coca leaves get exported to europe n usa ? n is this legal or illegal ?
swim thinks ordering 20 boxes with coca-tea infusion sachets from some bolivian grocery doesnt sound like sometrhing clandestine to his ears....

[Benga]

Originally Posted by kalininin

yeah, if a swiy lives in peru or bolivia....but without wanting to talk sources, do coca leaves get exported to europe n usa ? n is this legal or illegal ?
swim thinks ordering 20 boxes with coca-tea infusion sachets from some bolivian grocery doesnt sound like sometrhing clandestine to his ears....

well in some western countries coca do gets imported by physical shop owners...let's just say it's technically absolutely illegal ( 1961 UN single convention on narcotics mentions coca leaves), and a very grey area due to some catches as to the cocaine amounts contained.
it's hard to tell which ways the tides will turned as far as getting coca products, especially "mate de coca" off the 1961 single convention list. There's reason to hope for the worst, but also some positive things going on in this direction.
may i suggest a glance at some discussions in the coca forum ?

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[stoneinfocus]

mate de coca make sme just a little drowsy and the negatives you´re stating for c, are positves in the way that, if you overdo it it´ll last maybe 10-20 min. until you can return to your productiveness again, come down can be depressive, but this might as well be attributed to the sourroundings and setting, though theré´re migth be no harsh come-downs as well, but I aggree that c should be used for a limited time and dosage-increase has to be avoided, as well as the c shouldn´t be cut.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

mate de coca make sme just a little drowsy and the negatives you´re stating for c, are positves in the way that, if you overdo it it´ll last maybe 10-20 min. until you can return to your productiveness again, come down can be depressive, but this might as well be attributed to the sourroundings and setting, though theré´re migth be no harsh come-downs as well, but I aggree that c should be used for a limited time and dosage-increase has to be avoided, as well as the c shouldn´t be cut.

have heard this little sedation mentioned before, though swim does not feel it. Coca has been described as a paradoxical relaxing stimulant, ie it stimulates and energizes but also calms ones mood. This might be due to the "natural" cocaine and related alkaloids present in coca being metabolysed into another form, though how this differs from what happens to pure cocaine salts is not clear.
as for the coca "comedown", for swim it's nothing like cocaine. it is only felt after long / high dosage chewing sessions, and even then lasts 45 minutes at the most. it's not really a comedown in swim's vue but more of a return to normal, in that one isn't diving from euphoria to an abyss of disillusion which sometimes happens with cocaine, but simply that motivation and eagerness isn't as strong, energy begins to wane and you start feeling tired, which is pretty normal if you've been active. Swim finds an afternoon of work with coca chewing to transition very well with a good evening meal and a pleasant relaxed evening, which would not really be the case with cocaine Hcl.

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[Triple7]

SWIM says caffeine makes SWIM jitter and has no use. SWIM thinks all stimulants are of no use, except for physical use.

Alcohol makes SWIM talk to SWIMself in thoughts a lot and could be productive in litterature.

Use of codeine makes SWIM stay very focused and able to work much better. SWIM wonders if SWIM is a bit odd compared to others. To SWIM codeine is a smart drug.

[LiLiTH]

Hmmm SWIM usually has to do long editing sessions and has not tried anything else besides caffeine when she does that particular activity... It looks like adderall could have desired effects. What would be a good dose just to be slightly more concentrated?

[Nicaine]

SWIM's experience/opinions are continually updated on this topic.

Currently, SWIM feels stimulants are only useful short-term, briefly for a small number of reasons. ISO, middle and longer term they will either not affect or will harm productivity.

That applies to caffeine as well. SWIM researched this recently, and they've discovered that heavy caffeine users need caffeine to achieve the level of awakeness/productivity of a non-user. There's no point to it (unless it's admitted to be recreational use, which of course is OK).

[Paracelsus]

The caffeine just helping achieve normality is perfectly true. This is a normal phenomenon with all physically addicting drugs. The only reason why this hits the newspapers (yes, it really did in my country) is that nobody wants to consider caffeine physically addicting. Caffeine is very useful when used moderately though.

[IntrepidTraveler]

SWIM is in the middle of final exams right now and finds that his old friend adderall is still all he needs to work! Feels less speedy than Ritalin, but still gives the concentration, confidence and euphoria that he loves. I've posted a lot about SWIM's experiences with adderall and productivity on the amphetamine boards.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by IntrepidTraveler

Feels less speedy than Ritalin,

I find that statement to be a bit odd. Swim and most other people he knows would say the reverse is true... Maybe it just affects swiy different? Or is swiy using different level doses or something else that would lead him to make that statement?