Cigarette filters and marijuana

[desolated000]

Do the filters on cigarettes filter out any cannaboids from cannabis smoke? I think they'll only filter tar but my friend insists they'll make the high less intense.

[hh339]

SWIM used to empty cigarettes of tobacco, mix the tobacco with hasch and put it back to avoid any situations at school/work. For years he took the filter out and replaced it with a simple joint paper filter. Then he smoked a few with the original filter left in it, he was a lazy hasch smoker after all! Anyway, it did not make any noticable difference at all, so my bet would be that it doesn't really matter. Well except for the taste.

[Nature Boy]

Perhaps the filter blocks out some of those potent THC oils. SWIM would never use a cigarette filter for a joint.

[matti_2003]

What about the little filters sold for roll ups, they seem quite a bit smaller than the filters in Cigarettes.

[enquirewithin]

Do the filters on cigarettes filter out any cannaboids from cannabis smoke? I think they'll only filter tar but my friend insists they'll make the high less intense.

The Pakistanis empty cigarettes and fill them up again with mixture, but then their hash is cheap and plentiful. The filter does make it weaker, but less harsh.

Why not use a pipe?

[jesusfreak666er]

swim finds cotton filters filter weed smoke too much, but the ones that are made for personal rolling that dont have cotton are fine, and why risk it make a paper filter roach.

[Senor Gribson]

swim would assume the dense marijuana smoke would clog up the filter, making it very difficult to smoke
of course, he is just guessing as he has never actually tried this

[Metalhead]

Personally swim has does it twice...i dont recomend it at all.

[Bajeda]

As was said above, if the marijuana is strong then it doesn't especially matter. You body can only absorb so much THC anyways. With hash swim doesn't especially care as he can't really tell the difference in highness between rolled up index card material filters and cig filters.

Then again, he also doesn't think its really that important if you use a cigarette filter or a rolled filter. Do you really think you can notice the difference in how high you are? Swiy should try it and see. I bet he can't tell the difference.

If swiy is really cheap and cares that much about saving THC that he will be anal about small things like this then by all means dont use the filters. If swiy realizes that the difference is most likely to be negligable then he should do whatever feels best to him while smoking; if he enjoys the cig filters more then use them, if he enjoys rolled filters more then use them.

Pretty simple swim thinks.

Swim doesn't have a problem really with the

[rsmo]

I belive that the cigarette filters control the amount of smoke that is floating towards the mouth/lungs during a hit...
I dont think that this is a less potent metod, but more a case of what I mentioned above... IBut its definetly not the same feeling...

As for "takeing the edge" of the weed while smoking it this way...i cant say much about that because I dont know


SWIM has smoked this morning using a cigarrete fillter.... and it was the same high as the joint flop being used



cheers

[geezaman]

remembering that the stuff the smoker wants are the potent bits, and that these are vaporized behind the cherry of the spliff j or remade ciggy is it possable ( following logic rarther than personal knowlage) that filters provide a large surface area for the nasties such as tar but also for THC CBD etc to condense back onto/ get caught in? Probably flawed logic as the heat passing down the ciggy J etc is probably enough to revaporize them from the filter.
SWIM knows all his smoking chums old and young dont use filters and on that basis neither does he.

[LiveCryLaugh]

Swim has found that only with hash,rolling a J with a cigarette filter makes the trip less intense and gives a milder buzz that could be more enjoyable if someone is not seeking to get tooo wasted.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by LiveCryLaugh

Swim has found that only with hash,rolling a J with a cigarette filter makes the trip less intense and gives a milder buzz that could be more enjoyable if someone is not seeking to get tooo wasted.

In the Middle-East a tobacco filter is traditionally used with hash in most places swim has seen.

A tobacco filter is where you rip off the tip of a cigarette (the section with the tobacco) and put it where you would the filter. This is only really used with hashish joints although it is possible to use it with a weed joint.

It doesn't filter the smoke and make the trip less strong though it allows for better inhalation of smoke than a cardboard filter would. Highly recommended for hashish joints.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM has seen the tobacco filter attributed to everyone from Americans to Basques to Arabs to eastern Europeans. I think it's a pretty common international practice.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM has seen the tobacco filter attributed to everyone from Americans to Basques to Arabs to eastern Europeans. I think it's a pretty common international practice.

Not attributing it to have originated from a particular region. Just saying that almost everyone who smokes in the Middle-East uses it, while swim knows a small percentage of Europeans who use it - mostly from particular regions - and has never seen an American use a tobacco filter.


Just saying, it seems to go better with hash than weed though, which is perhaps why it is much more common in that region.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM doesn't enjoy making direct contact with what's being smoked. He's a firm believer in the roach which is why he never uses the tobacco filter despite using cigarettes in his joints.

[chilliker]

SWIM's experiences which are alot with the cigarette filters make him belive the following:

Poeple always complain about when they smoke with cigarette filters they get a lighter buzz... And they DO! But its not because of the cigarette filter. What SWIM and SWIM's usually take in a joint is about 1.5 grams per joint per person. When most poeple fill in a cigarette they mostly only fit about 1 gram in there which is 33.3% less but they still think they smoked a joint. This in SWIM's opinion is the reason. Also alot of SWIM's fridn dont know how to pack the weed correctly into the cigarette (I recommend hair pins) and when its filled the wrong way the paper burns faster, ergo you get less smoky!

[jesusfreak666er]

Originally Posted by chilliker

SWIM's experiences which are alot with the cigarette filters make him belive the following:

Poeple always complain about when they smoke with cigarette filters they get a lighter buzz... And they DO! But its not because of the cigarette filter. What SWIM and SWIM's usually take in a joint is about 1.5 grams per joint per person. When most poeple fill in a cigarette they mostly only fit about 1 gram in there which is 33.3% less but they still think they smoked a joint. This in SWIM's opinion is the reason. Also alot of SWIM's fridn dont know how to pack the weed correctly into the cigarette (I recommend hair pins) and when its filled the wrong way the paper burns faster, ergo you get less smoky!

not sure bout that, swim finds most ppl roll joints smaller than cigs... since cigs arent conical and think all the way through but it really depends on how one rolls so there is not wrong answer just my 2 cents

[ryanstein]

we're talkin about a bunch of stoners here chilliker...dont u think they would notice that there is less room for pot cuz of the filter.

i sure as hell would if i smoked pot but mayb im just smarter then the average pothead lol.

ryan

[Senor Gribson]

yeah most ppl tend to notice how much they're rolling while its busted up and about to be rolled...

[thecowman]

filters dont make a difference to strength, the thc particles are too small, filters are used to filter out tar. They also improve the taste, grab some extra slim roll up filters and give it a try.

[Miss DarkSoLovely]

You know this has never worked out for swim.. this was her method she preferred using only so she could smoke outside and not look so suspicious.. but it never allowed her enough smoke to go through. It seemed it filtered too much to smoke to be enjoyable for her, but she has no problem smoking out of her purple pipe or regular joints instead.

[Senor Gribson]

Originally Posted by Miss DarkSoLovely

You know this has never worked out for swim.. this was her method she preferred using only so she could smoke outside and not look so suspicious.. but it never allowed her enough smoke to go through. It seemed it filtered too much to smoke to be enjoyable for her, but she has no problem smoking out of her purple pipe or regular joints instead.

ever seen those empty cigarette tubes with filling machines? for a great stealth smoke, swim takes out the filter and replaces it with cardboard. then he fills the tube with his own herbal blend. ppl in cars don't notice and pedestrians simply laugh at swim's genius (or stupidity...)

[Sky Walker]

Just to put it to rest, when you use a cigarette filter on the end of your joint you do lose a certain amount of cannaboids, fact, you won't get as high.

"cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids."

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Sky Walker

Just to put it to rest, when you use a cigarette filter on the end of your joint you do lose a certain amount of cannaboids, fact, you won't get as high.

"Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids."

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html

Nice find on the article, though I think the section you quoted is a bit misleading by itself.

Originally Posted by MAPS

oints and Waterpipes Surprisingly, the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar. This disturbingly poor ratio may be explained by the low potency of the NIDA-supplied marijuana used in the study, which was around 2.3%.

Disappointingly, waterpipes performed uniformly worse than the unfiltered joint. The least bad waterpipe, the bong, produced 30% more tar per cannabinoids than the unfiltered joint. Ironically, the pipe with the electric mixer scored by far the worst of any device. This suggests that water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars. Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids.

The cigarette filter performed worse than the unfiltered joint in cannabinoid to tar ratio by 30%. Some cannabinoids are screened out, though the article doesn't specify how much more or less tar is emitted. Thus, while the cigarette filter is definitely a worse option for smoking, it isn't known just how more inefficient it is. I think if you smoked a large joint with a cigarette filter you wouldn't get any less noticeably high than if you used no filter depending on the quantity and quality of weed smoked, as well as tolerance (though placebo seems to play a decently large role in chronic heavy smokers of cannabis). Just wanted to clarify, as the section quoted previously made it seem like 30% less cannabinoids in general were emitted. That isn't clear from the information presented in the article.