US scheduling of many tryptamines in the works

[radiometer]

Found elsewere (very reliable source but unverified):



Looks like a mass scheduling is in the pipeline...

[Federal Register: August 4, 2006 (Volume 71, Number 150)]
[Notices]
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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

[Docket No. DEA-273N]


Solicitation of Information on the Use of Tryptamine-Related
Compounds

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Justice.

ACTION: Notice of request for information.

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SUMMARY: The DEA is soliciting information on substances that are
related in chemical structure to tryptamine (see SUPPLEMENTARY
INFORMATION). The Controlled Substances Act (CSA), in Title 21 of the
United States Code (U.S.C. 812(c) Schedule I (Title 21 of the Code of
Federal Regulations (CFR 1308.11(d)), lists certain tryptamines as
Schedule I controlled substances. Some tryptamines that are not
controlled under the CSA produce central nervous system effects that
are similar to tryptamines that are controlled under the CSA. DEA is
requesting information to help determine the impact on business if
these substances were to be placed under control in the CSA.

DATES: Written comments must be postmarked, and electronic comments
must be sent, on or before October 3, 2006.

ADDRESSES: To ensure proper handling of comments, please reference
``Docket No. DEA-273N'' on all written and electronic correspondence.
Written comments being sent via regular mail should be sent to the
Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control, Drug
Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537, Attention: DEA
Federal Register Representative/ODL. Written comments sent via express
mail should be sent to DEA Headquarters, Attention: DEA Federal
Register Representative/ODL, 2401 Jefferson-Davis Highway, Alexandria,
VA 22301. Comments may be directly sent to DEA electronically by
sending an electronic message to dea.diversion.policy@usdoj.gov.
Comments may also be sent electronically through http://www.regulations.gov
using the electronic comment form provided on that
site. An electronic copy of this document is also available at the
http://www.regulations.gov Web site. DEA will accept attachments to
electronic comments in Microsoft Word, WordPerfect, Adobe PDF, or Excel
file formats only. DEA will not accept any file format other than those
specifically listed here.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Christine A. Sannerud, Ph.D., Chief,
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section, Office of Diversion Control, Drug
Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537; Telephone: (202) 307-
7183.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: Tryptamine is a compound in which the
chemical structure can be described as indole substituted at the three
position with an 2-aminoethyl chain. Although tryptamine itself is not
a controlled substance, its chemical structure constitutes the skeletal
makeup of tryptamines listed in Schedule I of the CSA, which are
classified as hallucinogenic substances.
Tryptamine is sometimes substituted on the indole ring or the 2-
aminoethyl chain or both with various substituents. Title 21 CFR
1308.11(d) lists specific substituted tryptamines in Schedule I. Also
included in Schedule I are the salts, isomers, and salts of isomers of
the listed tryptamines. The term isomer, as used in this section, means
the optical, geometric, and positional isomers.
Individuals have published detailed methods of synthesis for
substituted tryptamines and have reported pharmacological effects based
on user experiences. Law enforcement personnel encounter such
tryptamines, but because they are substituted differently than those
listed or described in the CSA, they are not subject to direct control
in Schedule I. However, some of these substances can be treated as
Schedule I controlled substance analogues if intended for human
consumption (21 U.S.C. 802(32); Sec. 813).
DEA is soliciting information on (1) The commercial uses for
tryptamines, (2) activities involving research and development, (3)
tryptamines as intermediates or analytical standards, (4) import and
domestic sources for tryptamines, and (5) any planned or anticipated
uses for tryptamines. DEA invites interested persons to provide any
information on the uses of tryptamines in industry, academia, research
and development, or other applications. Both quantitative and
qualitative information is sought.
Although information is requested for all tryptamine substances
regardless of substitutions, DEA is particularly interested in
tryptamines that meet one

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or more of the following conditions: (a) Has a secondary or tertiary
amine formed by the substitution on the nitrogen atom of the 2-
aminoethyl chain by various alkyl groups, whether in chain or ring form
(for example, N-alkyltryptamine, N,N-dialkyltryptamine, N,N-
tetramethylenetryptamine), (b) has an alkyl substitution on the alpha
position of the 2-aminoethyl chain, and/or (c) has substituents on the
indole ring system, including, but not restricted to, various alkyl
chains, halogens, hydroxyl, alkoxy, acetyl, or alkylthio groups, at one
or more positions except the one (indole nitrogen) position. DEA is
especially interested in learning of the uses of the following
tryptamines.

2-alpha-dimethyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-dipropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
4-hydroxy-N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N-methyl-N-propyltryptamine
5,6-dimethoxy-N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-alpha,N-dimethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyl-2-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine
6-methoxy-1-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline
7-methoxy-1-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline
9,10-didehydro-6-allyl-N,N-diethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
9,10-didehydro-6-propyl-N,N-diethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
9,10-didehydro-N,N,6-triethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
alpha,N-dimethyltryptamine
N,N-dibutyltryptamine
N,N-dibutyl-4-hydroxytryptamine
N,N-diethyl-2-methyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
N,N-diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyl-4,5-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-2-methyltryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-4,5-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-4-hydroxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-5-methylthiotryptamine
N,N-dipropyltryptamine
N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
N-butyl-N-methyltryptamine
N-ethyl-4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine
N-ethyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
N-ethyltryptamine
4-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
N-isopropyl-N-methyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
N-methyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-dipropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-diallyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-monoallyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamin
N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine

Such information may be submitted to the Drug and Chemical
Evaluation Section and is requested by October 3, 2006. Information
designated as confidential or proprietary will be treated accordingly.
Confidential business information is protected from disclosure under
Exemption 4 of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552(b)(4)(FOIA)
and the Department of Justice procedures set forth in 28 CFR 16.8.

Dated: July 28, 2006.
Joseph T. Rannazzisi,
Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control.
[FR Doc. E6-12599 Filed 8-3-06; 8:45 am]

BILLING CODE 4410-09-P

[radiometer]

What a crazy-ass list! I wonder how many of these compounds are basically useless, either as psychoactives or precursors?

[fatal]

alot of them probably. fuck them. people will still buy it. dont they remember web tryp? american vendors know they are breaking the law. no one cares about the DEA and they can all go and shove that request and any subsequent laws right up their uptight facist ignorant shortsighted asses. NMT makes the list? do they ever research anything? its roughly as active as dogshit. and 5MeO-pyr-T has no value as a drug. a poison or chemical warfare agent? perhaps. a date rape drug? perhaps. a psychedelic drug? highly unlikely. this is just a UK style MODA scheduling. they cut and pasted tihkals recipe book. how thorough and proffessional of them.

[Nagognog2]

So they want to know if this list being placed under Schedule I would impact, financially, business? If one knows any business owners who pay enough taxes to raise a red flag - they should be encouraged, in the name of freedom and justice, to tell them that such products as "No More Tears" shampoo and Gaines Burgers will vanish from the marketplace. Get it? Got it?

To kill a fascist - sever their financial artery.

[snapper]

Well, bound to happen eventually.
Wonder how long something like this takes to turn into a law and become enforced?

Snapper

[fatal]

this is a really great example of a law that the people dont want. the users of these drugs dont want it and surely are not affected by then in a negative way similar to say crack so as to cloud their judgement. all the rest of the people? you think they really give a flying fuck about 9,10-didehydro-6-allyl-N,N-diethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide or even know what the fuck it is?

[Nagognog2]

The issue is that the only voices that will be listened to are the ones that have money in their hands. Pure and simple fascism - which is defined as government of, by, and for the corporations.

I wish more people would take the time to learn the meaning of this word, instead of bantering it about under a cloud of ignorance. Millions of people died the last time a nation allowed fascism to stand. It would be a sad memorial to the victims of this if we, collectively, allow this to happen again.

[fatal]

sadly we already have allowed it to go on. evidenced by the fact that it does. ask yourself... what can be done. once you find the answer... do it... even if it seems small.... one voice cant overcome a whole crowd unless he gets the whole crowd to scream out with him. a stone thrown in the pond creates ripples and no matter how small they are they will still touch every part of the pond and change it in some small way... ok my changing the world for the better rant is over now...

[Forthesevenlakes]

although swim is not an RC user, he always feels a vague sort of sadness when he reads DEA missives like this. Why? Because he is a firm believer that people have the right to do what they want with their lives as long as it hurts no one else. This includes using RCs. This list is a reminder that the prevailing government notion is that people should not be allowed to make many of their own decisions. Swim would like to know what could conceivably be done...he finds it difficult to believe that the RC users lobby would be a powerful one in washington, and unfortunately he lives in a culture where altering ones consciousness is frowned upon, not only by the powers that be, but also by much of society. He thinks he would have trouble drumming up support for a "free the tryptamines" campaign. but if anyone has any ideas as to how people could get the DEA to think twice, he'd love to hear them.

[radiometer]

The chances of stopping any of this are about the chances of stopping a cruise missile with a Kleenex.

[illuminati boy]

Just incase anyone was wondering, you can go to http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html
and confirm the veracity of this. (you might have to navigate some but you can access either the PDF or HTML version)

I am frankly surprised that there is not (yet) a comprehensive PiHKAL corollary.

I B

{EDIT PDF now in archives: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...atid=34&sort=d }

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by radiometer

The chances of stopping any of this are about the chances of stopping a cruise missile with a Kleenex.

Pour gasoline on kleenex. Find control station for cruise missile. Open station and find wiring. Ignite kleenex and toss it in.

Problem solved.


In this case we know where the control station is (White House), we have the equivalent power of a kleenex (pro-drug supporters, heh sorry but its true), all we need is alot of gasoline (money/people with money)







Wow! My brain must be incredibly fried to have come up with that shitty an analogy. I blame the kleenex person!

[Nagognog2]

Soak the kleenex in muddy water and wrap it around the guidance-system!

Write letters to your congressman and senators. Inform your friends to do so. Make noise. Protest & Survive!

At least you will have tried.

[William_Again]

Its a real shame whats happening in the US with drugs. There is soooo much misinformation. We should rally and create some sort of National Organization that has no agenda other than to educate people on drugs - the good, the bad, and the truth so that people can make smart choices and take justified positions on the topic. Hopefully this would lead to some sort of restructuring of drug laws in the US. Really the only hope we have is A.) the next generation in line to run this country is a bit smarter and less judgmental and loosens some of the laws on pot or shrooms...or B.) Chem freaks out there keep coming up with wierd and new RC replacements.

I am done blabbing. Flame me.

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by William_Again

Really the only hope we have is A.) the next generation in line to run this country is a bit smarter and less judgmental and loosens some of the laws on pot or shrooms...or B.) Chem freaks out there keep coming up with wierd and new RC replacements.

Blegh, better count on "B" more than "A" as I believe this generation coming up is going to be more conservative than their parents. This has been my observation and I once had a conversation with a liberal professor at my school who expressed her dismay that it is true and it makes her sad. She had come to age in the 70's and was idealistic about the future. Then she witnessed her peers all selling out and has now lost hope in the generation she is teaching. I feel the same. I used to be an optimist about the future, but things seem to just get worse.

Actually, there is a neat theory which examines how history seems to run in cycles, the idea is outlined in a few books and here: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/ex...g_history.html

Supposedly, those who were born between the years 1982 and 2003 will be that of the so-called "hero" archetype which is basically defined as: "Heroes are conventional, powerful, and institutionally driven, with a profound trust in authority. They grow up as the increasingly protected children of an Unraveling, come of age as the Heroic, team-working youth of a Crisis, become energetic and hubristic mid-lifers during a High and become the powerful elders who are attacked in the next Awakening. The G.I. Generation that fought World War II is an example of a Hero generation."

And so it goes...

Reputation Comments on this post:

Great Idea, great link

[William_Again]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

Actually, there is a neat theory which examines how history seems to run in cycles, the idea is outlined in a few books and here: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/ex...g_history.html

Just wanted to say cool link.

[VincentVan]

The US are already the country with the highest percentage of people in jail in relation to its population, managing to beat even China in this sad statistic.
With this measures they will surely transform another wide portion of citizens into criminals overnight.
To try to understand the logic behind these measures we should probably follow the reasoning of detectives trying to make sense of a situation and ask ourselves: -Who is going to profit from this?-
I sincerily doubt that it will be the US society at large.

VV.

[korky8097]

Im not so sure about that bewilderment, there is alot of news with a steep drop in republicans. Plus communication of just about anything is available with internet and such, i really do believe there are too many variables keeping history from running a cycle. Children who have grown up with computers and such have much different brains in some ways than the other generations, think about it, every 9 year old you know can do just about anything on a computer. I believe with communication at this height, times will change and new cycles will arise.

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by korky8097

Im not so sure about that bewilderment, there is alot of news with a steep drop in republicans. Plus communication of just about anything is available with internet and such, i really do believe there are too many variables keeping history from running a cycle. Children who have grown up with computers and such have much different brains in some ways than the other generations, think about it, every 9 year old you know can do just about anything on a computer. I believe with communication at this height, times will change and new cycles will arise.

Oh, I'm not stating the theory as fact, but just an interesting little theory. I'm not convinced that history runs in cycles (although I haven't actually read the books, just websites related), but even so I believe technology has little to do with the cycles. I mean, every generation is more advanced than the last. Every generation is said to be better equipped to handle technology. When the car came out, that revolutionized things and the same goes with the telephone, airplane, train, and whatever else you wish to add to the list. I don't remember where the quote was from, but I once read this quote from an intelligent inventor (I believe, or rather I was under the impression) in the late 1800's saying that everything that can be invented already has been invented.

Also, the greatest technological growth comes during periods of war because that is the time when the government is putting the most money into tech things to defeat their enemy. The sort of heightened communication doesn't change much. I mean, I don't know of anyone whose political affiliation has changed soley for the internet. Most people regard the internet as a toy or just another way to advance their social network. Yeah, there's a lot of info out there and the more you read it, the closer it gets to the truth especially when comparing news reports of the same event from different countries. However, most people don't take the time to do such things. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Now, if the theory were to actually be true then I would expect a more rapid turning of cycles rather than a cessation completely. Things are changing very quickly technology-wise, but I'm not sure that they are changing so quickly in terms of how people think and view the world.

That being said, I am perhaps a bit more pessimistic because I live in one of the most conservative states in the union. The vast majority of everyone I meet, whether they are my peers or my elders are highly conservative. Now, my peers who are conservatives are likely to be more well-informed than in the past about their position but that's about it. They can now just google and find articles to back up their position by reading conservative sites just as the more liberal can do the same to make their point.

As for the recent drop in republicans, of course this is so because Bush is being exposed now for most of his evil-doing, but that doesn't mean that later on there will be more admirable conversative leaders (admirable by those who share same views) that will restore their faith in the republican party. Republican's pander more to the conservative religious types than other parties and this is where they gain a major advantage. The US is notorious for it's religiosity in comparison to other powerful industrialized nations.

And just as we use technology to our advantage, so do those in power (how do you think they are gathering all of their info to ban tryps?). The difference is that they have access to even better technology, and the US government at all levels is currently conservative from congress to the supreme court to the white house.

Now, hopefully this generation will get some sense knocked into them at some point, but I'm skeptical. I see technology evolving at an exponential rate, but I don't see a correlation between that and people's attitudes.

I know that this isn't a very good response, but my head is fogged from too many sleeping pills last night when I still didn't end up sleeping and I'm currently at my mother's house visiting where she only stocks decaf coffee so I'm strugglin' a bit this morning.

[rodent]

This whole bit with the DEA doesn't make any sense... has any dumbass teen died from overdsoing on a tryptamine in the past decade? It's early here too and I haven't had my caffeine yet either but I don't recall any deaths from tryptamine based RC's.

Now, I know the DEA doesn't have a reputation for making ANY sense at all concerning drugs but at lease with 2ct7 (and maybe amt & foxy) they were pressured to outlaw these by the frantic/furious parents of the dead kids who OD'd and died. I don't recall all the details but at least there was some reason behind banning those substances. WTF reasoning do they have here?
I suspect it really does come down to the fear of the unknown. They read these and other boards and find a whole slew of new compounds that people are tripping out on and I bet it makes them furious that they have NO control.

This may also be a last ditch effort at showing how much they (the DEA) are really needed in this failing war. All the stats/studies show that they not only can't control drug smuggling and personal use but that the prohibishonist laws seems to make things worse! They are losing their grip (and possibly funding soon) and they know it.

As for the next generations coming into politics and with the way information gets around now, I seriously doubt things will continue to get worse. It is becoming very OBVIOUS to almost anyone with any clue that the drug war has been lost and we tossed all our money away on it.

New times are coming and I am hopeful
(I'm not stupid either and so, stock up for the winter just in case )

[Alfa]

The main focal point of the communication age towards the young seems to be lowering of sexual and violence related ethics.
The US seems to be heading towards a dictatorial police state a la 1984 & the new world order. I hope the next administration will give some relieve from this course.

[Abrad]

This whole bit with the DEA doesn't make any sense... has any dumbass teen died from overdsoing on a tryptamine in the past decade? It's early here too and I haven't had my caffeine yet either but I don't recall any deaths from tryptamine based RC's.

There have been deaths from 5-meo-amt.

[illuminati boy]

I note that this thread is starting to bifurcate with regard to topic.

As for the tryptamine deaths: at least AMT, 5-MeO-DIPT, and 5-MeO-AMT are known to have caused / contributed to fatalities. As the former two were already scheduled, it is highly likely that 5-MeO-AMT will be as well. It could likely get included ahead of the others through DEA’s emergency scheduling powers.

As for the broad trend of generations to be conservative or liberal, pragmatic or experimental; I would simply point out that the Baby Boomers were considered to be on a track to be very conservative and to enjoy all the benefits of the material success of their parents… then a number of different factors combined to propel a large portion of them far beyond Madison Ave.

These things can go either way. War can cause frightening national unity ala WWII Germany or lead to fractious internal politics ala the US in Vietnam. Times of violence can lead to attempts at peace and better understanding, or can spill over into multinational conflicts.

I think it was Yogi Berra who said: “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” I think I will stick with Yogi’s assessment on this topic for now.

I B

[rodent]

Thanks abrad84 for pointing that out... I remember now.

/me makes note to self 'don't post till fully awake'

[fatal]

Originally Posted by abrad84

There have been deaths from 5-meo-amt.

also 5-meo-dipt and AMT i believe. 5-meo-amt has the worst track record of all though certainly. couple links on health issues and deaths; here here here here here and here.