Death from cannabis?

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...280#post175280
DANGER RATING: 1.55/3 11: Cannabis (Class C)
ORIGIN: Plant is easily cultivated in temperate climates
MEDICAL: Leaves of the cannabis sativa plant or resin can be smoked or eaten. It is a relaxant but stronger forms can also cause hallucinations and panic attacks
NO. OF UK USERS: 3m
NO. OF UK DEATHS IN 2004: 16
£40-100 an ounce
DANGER RATING: 1.40/3

never heard of such thing ...
anyone else who has?

[Nahbus]

maybe if you choked and suffocated on a bud or something?

[dr ACE]

SWIM has never heard of a death that was directly related to the cannabis itself and dose'nt think there is a know recorded death that was caused by cannabis. maybe people have dided whilst under the infulence doing somthing stupid.as erowid points out the LD50 for rats its a huge ammount vastly larger than would be possibe to ingest or smoke,so its not likely that any one would die from overdoes on the active chemicals contained in cannabis itself

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...hemistry.shtml

[Alfa]

I do not know how the measured cannabis related deaths, but mostly they measure just that: any death which is related to a drug. If someone smokes weed and has a car crash, that is a cannabis related death. No one knows is the car crash would have occured or not without cannabis being involved. It is cannabis related non the less. As these statistics have this relative meaning, their meaning becomes more clear when compared to those of other drugs:
Cannabis: 16 (0.0000264 % of the total UK population)
Alcohol: 22.000 (0.036% % of the total UK population)
Tabacco: 114.000 (0.19% % of the total UK population)

Or compared to the amount of users:
Cannabis: 16 (0.0005% of all cannabis users)
Heroin: 744 (1.86% of all heroin users)
Tabacco: 1114.000 (0.9% of all tabacco users)

In other words: cannabis related fatalities are almost non existant.

[Nagognog2]

Hey Hippie! Take this for smoking that thar reefer! <BANG! BANG!>

Make that 17 cannabis-related deaths!

[Herbal Remedy]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Hey Hippie! Take this for smoking that thar reefer! <BANG! BANG!>

Make that 17 cannabis-related deaths!

That is hysterical! Sad to say, that with all Ive seen in this war on drugs, this type of execution would not be all that shocking... Anything to piss on MJ's image seems to be fully outlined in all government manuals...

[Creeping Death]

Cancer or other illnesses are also canabis related. Doesn't surprise me if 16 of those who die in the UK from lung cancer got it from a life of weedsmoke.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

Cancer or other illnesses are also canabis related. Doesn't surprise me if 16 of those who die in the UK from lung cancer got it from a life of weedsmoke.

The problem is that weed smokers also tend to smoke cigarettes, and this seems to be especially true in Europe and the UK where anti-smoking sentiments are nowhere near where they are in the US. It makes it hard to correlate cancer with marijuana as tobacco is often added into the picture.

You also have to consider that it seems that marijuana also makes people more prone to nicotine addiction than others, so that constitutes a risk in itself.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

The problem is that weed smokers also tend to smoke cigarettes, and this seems to be especially true in Europe and the UK where anti-smoking sentiments are nowhere near where they are in the US. It makes it hard to correlate cancer with marijuana as tobacco is often added into the picture.

You also have to consider that it seems that marijuana also makes people more prone to nicotine addiction than others, so that constitutes a risk in itself.

Does it? How's that then? Apart from the use of nicotine in spliffs & the desire to smoke something when out of weed leading to toking on the odd cig for some otherwise non-nicotine smokers, which could then I suppose lead to nicotine addiction, I don't see how it would.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Does it? How's that then? Apart from the use of nicotine in spliffs & the desire to smoke something when out of weed leading to toking on the odd cig for some otherwise non-nicotine smokers, which could then I suppose lead to nicotine addiction, I don't see how it would.

I phrased that badly. I meant what you said basically.

Marijuana actually seems to be a gateway drug towards smoking cigarettes, though thats the only one really. There is a study supporting this, though I have to upload it.

BajEdit: Damn it. The pdf for the study isn't available so I can't get it. I'll try and see if theres a similar study I can upload.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

Cancer or other illnesses are also canabis related. Doesn't surprise me if 16 of those who die in the UK from lung cancer got it from a life of weedsmoke.

Truth is, no-one has been diagnosed with cancer from pot smoking alone. In every single case of death from smoking there's no doubt that tobacco would have been a major factor.

I think that blaming the deaths of 16 people on cannabis use is a disgusting lie and a blatant manipulation of statistics which is both dangerous and morally wrong.

[Ebatra]

SWIM has never heard of anyone dieing from smoking marijuana directly. There are usually many other contributing factors mainly mixing marijuana with tobacco.

[Nature Boy]

Even when mixed with tobacco, marijuana causes the smoke to enter the lungs differently as opposed to smoking tobacco on its own. SWIM is quite sensitive to this. Smoking a plain cigarette will leave SWIM's lungs feeling clogged up and he starts to heave (thank fuck he doesn't smoke cigarettes ever anymore) but smoking a weed/tobacco joint, even if there's only a small amount of weed in it, seems to effect his lungs differently. The heaving isn't there and any kind of resinous build-up in the throat can be spat out pretty quickly. There's probably damage being done all the same, but I hardly suspect it's as damaging as smoking normal cigarettes.

[katukulysm]

the only way swik knows of a cannabis overdose or ( death ) would probably be that the lungs would explode due to too much inhalation of the smoke.
but wouldent that be the case with anykind of smoke that is rapidly inhaled.
thats why you cough when you take to big of a hit.

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lol very amusing...

[Nahbus]

exploding lungs?
Are there any documented cases of this?
The only way I see this happening is maybe with super condensed smoke expanding when it hits the lungs, but even that seems very unlikely.

[Nature Boy]

Coughing is a defence mechanism to having too much smoke in the lungs. If one were to die from smoke entering the lungs directly as described, it would be death by suffocation, not overdose. Someone couldn't voluntarily do it either. They would have to be tied down and a tube full of smoke would have to be stuffed down their throat. We're basically talking murder here.

[Nature Boy]

I wouldn't necessarily say marijuana is a gateway drug to cigarettes as such. It was cannabis that drew SWIM's attention away from cigarettes. It forms the "what are cigarettes going to do for me so why smoke them?" attitude. Saving your lungs for the good stuff if you will. No wonder the tobacco companies fear it so much.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

I wouldn't necessarily say marijuana is a gateway drug to cigarettes as such. It was cannabis that drew SWIM's attention away from cigarettes. It forms the "what are cigarettes going to do for me so why smoke them?" attitude. Saving your lungs for the good stuff if you will. No wonder the tobacco companies fear it so much.

Swim would have to disagree.

Studies have shown that you have a much higher chance of becoming addicted to cigarettes if you already smoke cannabis.

Swim understands this, and as he is trying to quit smoking cigarettes he finds that smoking cannabis is hard as it makes him want to smoke tobacco afterwards, not to mention that he always spliffs his joints.

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

I wouldn't necessarily say marijuana is a gateway drug to cigarettes as such. It was cannabis that drew SWIM's attention away from cigarettes. It forms the "what are cigarettes going to do for me so why smoke them?" attitude. Saving your lungs for the good stuff if you will. No wonder the tobacco companies fear it so much.

Same thing with swim. She used to smoke cigarettes and pot, but came to the same conclusion that if you are buying and then smoking something that is likely to cause cancer and many other ailments then whatever it is you're smoking better damn well be worth it. Hence, "cigarettes don't get me high, why bother?" Also, when swim began smoking cannabis (good-tasting marijuana to be exact) regularly she soon came to realize how awful tobacco tastes in comparison. Swim probably smokes more pot now than she did when she was smoking cigarettes (just that urge to smoke...sometimes swim forgets that marijuana gets you high and habitually just smokes and then finds herself like "oops, I'm stoned. I didn't mean to do that. I can't be stoned, I have things to do today!").

Then again, swim has never considered herself addicted to cigarettes. She had her first cigarette around the age of 10 and continued on from there until the end of high school, but she only smoked perhaps once a day at the most because she didn't know many people older than her who'd be willing to buy them. Ironically, she officially quit smoking when she was 18 and old enough to buy them.

But, she would still smoke cigarettes when she was around others who smoked because she enjoyed it (Don't know exactly what changed with the enjoyment factor). She began smoking regularly again sometime in 2004, but still not addicted. By "regularly" though, I only mean about 4-7 cigarettes a day although sometimes I would go a day or two without and not really think anything of it. Then, sometime around the end of last year was probably when she gave them up. She just can't stand the taste anymore, really, even though she used to like it. She'll still smoke in some situations however. For example, if she is over at someone's house smoking pot and they stop every so often to smoke a cig then she may have one too. I think that's another way cannabis and tobacco addiction go together. It's the same with alcohol and cigarettes though. People will start smoking whenever they drink and will soon find themselves full-time smokers. Cigarettes can be enjoyable with marijuana in the same way that alcohol is.

Also, it's worth noting that swim does have an "addictive personality" and has been addicted to various substances at different points in her life. It always perplexes her why she never really felt the same about cigarettes since there is very high addiction potential especially in comparison with less addictive drugs that swim became dependent upon.

[Nature Boy]

Well SWIM can't argue with studies.

SWIM finds his addiction characteristics unique in a way. He started smoking cigarettes years ago before most of his friends did but gave them up very suddenly without any sort of cravings. Perhaps this monkey is lucky to have a non-addictive personality.

[Alicia]

Once again another funny and amusing article.