BZP / TFMPP report.

[mala_22]

Piperazine report.

This is a report on a herbal X product known as Jax.
The ingredients are listed as follows.

150mg BZP, 75mg TFMPP, standardised nutmeg extract, synthetic equivalent of Piper nigrum extract, dicalcium phosphate, magnesium stearate.

As swims tolerance is now at the max for ecstasy, it is has become pointless, so they have been looking for something that can be used while clubbing for increased energy and mood lift. Not looking for a replacement you understand, just an alternative.

After reading some reports swim ordered the Jax online which arrived quickly. The pack reccomended taking 1 at most then maybe another a few hours later, so swim took 1 at 6:30 and killed some time waiting for something to happen.

After about 1 hour swim started to feel tipsy as if they have had a drink or two, after another 30 mins there was no improvement so swim took the 2nd pill.

After another 30 mins (2 hours total) the effects intensified to quite a drunk feeling and despite warnigs of mixing with alcohol, swim had several glasses of wine.

As swim finds all stimulants improve appreciation of music, swim then decided to go on his decks to have a mix.

To swims disapointment there was no increased appreciation of music, but over the next hour on the decks, the effects peaked. The come up was very linear and gradual and the peak was only realised once the comedown had started.

The peak was a little dissapointing, no increased perception, no mood lift, they did give extra energy in a speedy way but swim would say they most resemble the comedown of MDMA. That feeling you get about 3 hours after the last pill taken where you still feel a bit buzzy, a bit rough, and a bit dissapointed the night is over.

Swims other effects included a strange opposite to jaw clenching, wanting to stretch the jaw wide alot with manic toungue movements, and some slight morphing.

At 3am, 8 hours after the initial effects, swim was still peaking, swim still had absolutely no desire for sleep but tried anyway, managing about 30 mins in 3 minute bursts until 11 am when swim got back up. This was much much worse than MDMA in that sense. but at least swim found no ill effects from mixing with alcohol and despite other reports telling of terrible comedown, swim felt quite nice the next day feeling better than if he had just had the sleep deprivation alone.

Overall swim would say these pills are not worth it, deffinetely not for clubbing anyway, as swim finds their own home made herbals are far superior, which consist of ephedrine and other common herbal x ingredients.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Thanks for sharing this.

[renegades]

That is correct, these bzp tfmpp mixtures are not worth it. It is not a fun experience. Tingiling in the fingers and feet, dealing with too much of a body load, no euphoria, if anything swim feels depressed. Stop wasting money on this very old (1993?) and one of the orginal RCs. to appear on the market. Mimics e is the claim, far from it. No similiaties. 2Cs and DOxs are more appealing and they keep swim awake and energized. Just can't do it everyday like BZP.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM has tried XXX's and Escape, both of which are piperazine pills. She enjoyed them both and preferred these two types over 'Jax'. Escape in particular gave her enhanced music appreciation and even some empathy. It couldn't be compared to MDMA, but it still has its own qualities which are admittedly speedier but it also gave her a pleasant serene, calm and centred feeling (as well as enhanced music appreciation) She found that it made sense to take the pill fairly early in the day to avoid insomnia that night. Appetite is severely reduced and, as with E, thirst is increased.

SWIM also finds that while these will still give one a comedown next day, they can nonetheless be taken far more frequently than MDMA because they do not seem to affect serotinin levels the way that E can do. It seems to SWIM that it can be taken more recreationally but this is, of course, her subjective experience.

Thorough lab tests could reveal that piperazine based pills (usually a combo of BZP and TFMPP with sometimes a bit of flipperazine also added for colourful closed eye visuals 'CEVs') could in fact be more detrimental than E, both in terms of the cardiovascular or immune systems as well as neurotoxity.

[albagbr]

Uhm piperazines are not "herbal"!

[sci]

SWIM reads these Pip reports and wonders .... SWIM loved his first Pip blend experience and got total euphoria , comedown wernt too bad apart from loss of sex drive and appetite for a few days.. but SWIM supposes they affect people in different ways ..

bring on the MDMA , when SWIM finds a good supplier ,, :P