Have you used heroin,.. Would you use heroin?

[matti_2003]

Swim knows many people who use drugs, but all of them class themselves as recreational users. Many say that they would try many things, but one thing that they would never try is Heroin. This is mainly down to its highly addictive nature. Swim would never personally do it but would like to know the percentage of people on here who have done it and who regularly done it.

[old hippie 56]

Swim sampled H a few times, found out it was not for him. Didn't like the feeling it gave him.


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[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Swim sampled H a few times, found out it was not for me. Didn't like the feeling it gave him.

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Originally Posted by sitbcknchill

Swim said he would never try anything more than marijuana....well.............swim lied to himself...

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Originally Posted by forthesevenlakes

swim tells me that he has used it a couple of times, but did not enjoy the experience particularly. it felt much darker than any opiate he had done.

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Swim doesn't especially care for heroin. While if administered well it can have amazing euphoric effects, the experience in itself is depressing to swim. It detaches you from the world and causes you to lose all emotional connections for a time. This is practically the oppositeof psychedelics that draw you in to the world (or other worlds) and increase your connection with your environment.

Swim finds mental and spiritual exploration much more satisfying than simple euphoria.

[Sitbcknchill]

Swim said he would never try anything more than marijuana....well.............swim lied to himself...

[adzket]

swim started using h at the end of weekend to comedown with. this changed to a regular use of the drug almost daily. swim now doesnot do it every day. but will never say never again. it still can be good fr them to chill with ect. and they have beter control over there useage now.

[jesusfreak666er]

Swim has never done H, most likely never would but clicked maybe once or twice since maybe if it was there, free, and reassured it was relitively pure he would snort or smoke it but never shoot it. Swim feels oxy and morphine (he did IM that 3 times but isnt into injecting) do enough. Swim would love to try smoking opium though. Swim comes from an upperclass suburban area and heroin isnt common. PPL sell and take mostly RX opiates since they are so common atleast in my circuit, swim is sure there are H fiends but just not in the groups i associate with.

[Forthesevenlakes]

swim tells me that he has used it a couple of times, but did not enjoy the experience particularly. it felt much darker than any opiate he had done.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM might delve into out of curiousity in a few years but may well want to acquaint himself with regular smoked opium instead. He has some experience with pharmaceutical opiates and understands that even they can't be taken lightly. Purity is a major issue so injecting it would be endlessly unlikely although if he were to come across some pure stuff in a far-flung corner of the world, he might try smoking a little.

[raven3davis]

SWIM thinks heroin is a great drug, and if you have the right amount of self control, you can use it occasionally and have a great time without having to worry about getting addicted. SWIM has used smack, and will continue to use it. It makes him feel warm inside. All yor worries are set aside for those few hours. Emotional and phsyical stress vanish. The experience is ego softening and empathetic for SWIM.

SWIM has used many rx opiates like oxycodone and hydromorphone, but SWIM likes heroin the most. He has yet to shoot it, but once he does, he will tell me and I will post about his experience. SWIM has been on heroin for three days in a row and he feels no desire to do it again.

Heroin is very addictive, and SWIM has been introduced to many people who have fallen victim to IV heroin use. SWIM just cant imagine himself becoming an addict. It is a fun drug, but using any drug daily does not seem like a good idea to SWIM.

SWIM is ready to IV heroin, but only after he waits a few weeks so his tolerance will die down and he will get blasted from one shot. If IV heroin is anything like IV hydromorphone, SWIM will be having a fun weekend!

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM has never tried heroin, but has tried and enjoyed many other opiates, such as opium and pharmaceuticals. SWIM hates needles so he will never inject heroin or anythign for that matter, but he is very interested in trying it as he very much lieks what he has experienced from the opiates hes tried. SWIM says hed smoke or snort heroin for the experience a few times but would be very weary of the addiction issue and would use it along the same lines that he uses cocaine.

[VincentVan]

When Swim hears people saying that they tried Heroin but they did´nt really like it and they prefer something else he knows that there is something wrong.
He can understand that people after having tried it a few times got scared by it, or decided that for any reason it was not what they wanted to do, or that some bad experience lead them away from it; but those who say that they did´nt like it probably ( I am tempted to say surely) never encountered the real thing, or got the wrong dose, or suffer from some sort of amnesia, or something. That´s because the receptors and the neural centers on which opioids work their magic are the very centers from where the sensations of pleasure and reward are elaborated.
In the same way, while it´s surely possible that some people would choose a life of castity , I doubt that it would ever be because they tried some orgasms and they found the experience so unpleasant that they decided never to have sex again.
The interplay of neurotransmitters and receptors with the mechanisms of reward and pleasure in the nervous system has been refined over millions of years of evolution to produce certain responses to determined stimuli with the goal of favouring those behaviour likely to bring evolutionary advantages to individuals and eventually to the specie.
Because in different individuals those rewards centers are likely to be activated by different stimuli, opioids sometimes produce some different effects in different subjects, in any case never failing to reach the right plesure receptors because they mimic exactly the structure of the neurotransmitters designed to bind to those receptors (endorphines).
Even if he could´nt know all this Baudlaire probably suspected it when he said There is only one drug: opium. All the rest are just intoxicants-.
If still you are not convinced I would invite you to take a look at the "Hedweb" internet site or to try to google the voice "Future Opioids";
You will find them intresting.
I´m sorry I can´t elaborate further but I really must run now.
I´ll be back later on.

VV.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by VincentVan

When Swim hears people saying that they tried Heroin but they did´nt really like it and they prefer something else he knows that there is something wrong.
He can understand that people after having tried it a few times got scared by it, or decided that for any reason it was not what they wanted to do, or that some bad experience lead them away from it; but those who say that they did´nt like it probably ( I am tempted to say surely) never encountered the real thing, or got the wrong dose, or suffer from some sort of amnesia, or something. That´s because the receptors and the neural centers on which opioids work their magic are the very centers from where the sensations of pleasure and reward are elaborated.
In the same way, while it´s surely possible that some people would choose a life of castity , I doubt that it would ever be because they tried some orgasms and they found the experience so unpleasant that they decided never to have sex again.
The interplay of neurotransmitters and receptors with the mechanisms of reward and pleasure in the nervous system has been refined over millions of years of evolution to produce certain responses to determined stimuli with the goal of favouring those behaviour likely to bring evolutionary advantages to individuals and eventually to the specie.
Because in different individuals those rewards centers are likely to be activated by different stimuli, opioids sometimes produce some different effects in different subjects, in any case never failing to reach the right plesure receptors because they mimic exactly the structure of the neurotransmitters designed to bind to those receptors (endorphines).
Even if he could´nt know all this Baudlaire probably suspected it when he said There is only one drug: opium. All the rest are just intoxicants-.
If still you are not convinced I would invite you to take a look at the "Hedweb" internet site or to try to google the voice "Future Opioids";
You will find them intresting.
I´m sorry I can´t elaborate further but I really must run now.
I´ll be back later on.

VV.

No, swim just didn't express what he fully feels really, as it is hard.

He found the experience quite pleasurable, and it was extremely euphoric. He still didn't like the substance. Its as easy as that. He doesn't like the feeling of being detached from the world, wallowing in his own ecstasy.

It was more of what the drug is and what it makes you that bugged him more than the actual effects on his mind. Not to mention he didn't find it was the best thing for his body, as after a few uses he noticed a bit of sickness in each heroin dose.

[VincentVan]

Here are the links I was talking about:

http://opioids.com/heroin.html
http://opioids.com/opiates.html
http://hedweb.com

[Forthesevenlakes]

great links vincentvan...swim has actually been a supporter of some of the ideas on that site since he first read them.

also, swim is sure that his H was real, his source had lived in a place where purer stuff was able to be obtained for cheaply for some years, and was able to verify the quality of the product. perhaps not the purest, but it was H. swim found the experience, quite frankly, overwhelming. he was stumbling and a bit short of breath, something which never happens on other opiates for him. he felt the classic opioid receptors being bound (well not literally, but he got the warm buzz characteristic of that), but it was the side effects that were giving him a darker feel for the experience. he had never felt compelled to have to sit down because remaining upright was too much of a task on oxycodone, for example.

but baudelaire probably was right...he tended to be dead-on with alot of things pertaining to opium...and hashish for that matter. perhaps with a product more pure, or a smaller initial dose, swim would have enjoyed it more. but for his own good, he thinks its better that he doesnt enjoy it =]

[Dr. Gonzo]

swim was smacked up for the second time in swijns life last night and swin shall do the same tonight I expect along with some crack.....

[VincentVan]

Yes, I can understand this, Forthesevenlakes & Bajeda.
I can easily see how it´s possible to feel a deep dislike and even hate for something pleasurable, just like you don´t necessarily have to love a beautiful woman; after all we are supposed to be reasonable and sentient beings.
The capability of reason to mediate our instinctive responses is probably not just the most peculiar trait of our specie but also an evolutive strategy that permitted humans to bond with extremely large groups of individuals.
( see: " Grooming, gossip and the evolution of language" by Robin Dunbar -Faber&Faber- and specially the beautiful "So you think You´re human?" by Felipe Fernandez - Armesto. - Oxford University Press-)
I just hope that my Es will be able to keep kicking my Ego´s ass.

VV.

" ... Che fatti non foste per viver come bruti
Ma per seguir virtute e conoscenza."
(Dante. "La Divina Commedia" -Inferno-)

[podge]

Swim would prefer to sample Opium , but if purity was guaranteed and the time was right then maybe so. No needles though.

[VincentVan]

Originally Posted by podge

swim will be a trip head till he dies.....but he'l probably try heroin once or twice in his life time.but similar to nature boy opium is much more appealing.

If you think that opium is less dangerous, less addictive, or just less nasty in any way you are mistaken.
The effect you will get from swallowing opium or sniffing heroin is undistinguishable.
If smoked (in the "dragon chasing" fashion) or specially if injected H will produce the well known "Rush" or "Flash", but after some minutes the high produced by opium, morphine or heroin is absolutely identical and the eventual differences will be due more to the quality of the substances than to their nature.
Long time ago, SWIM made the mistake of thinking that opium would be somehow less addictive than heroin and for about a week he swallowed one or two little balls a day while exploring the islands on the northern border of Kenya. For the following week he was unable to travel any further, and felt just as bad as when he tried to kick any H habit. My african friends thought that I had malaria. (try to see the opium thread, I thing I already related some of this experience) .
Anyway if you want my opinion there is really no need to try any opioid to enjoy your life. No new orizons will be opened to you.
You ´re much better off stayng away from these charming but evil molecules.

VV.

[podge]

maybe but swim still prefers the though of opium than to heroin.....synthetic drugs IMO arent as good as natural ones.and swim realises no new horizons will be opened....a trip head till swim dies.....but its still an experience which swim will have to do himself to understand the substance better.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by podge

maybe but swim still prefers the though of opium than to heroin.....synthetic drugs IMO arent as good as natural ones.and swim realises no new horizons will be opened....a trip head till swim dies.....but its still an experience which swim will have to do himself to understand the substance better.

swim respects this opinion, but be careful. as swim or any other current or former opioid addict can tell you, nobody starts off wanting to use them all the time. the theory is always that you can do it once or twice and have the self control to stop. but any opiate/opioid from codeine to heroin has a way of sneaking into your daily routine, until youre taking it just to feel normal. and really, the thought of opium vs. heroin is just semantics...the resulting high will be very similar.

[podge]

swim will be very very careful , thanks for swiys concern.....he realises that noone starts off wanting to get into opiates,like swiy said it just sort of creeps into ones daily routine.thats partly why swim would prefer opium.... when swim smokes opium swim will be far far away from where he lives now up in some mountain village , so when swim returns he wont be able to get opium as its pretty much unnatainable here so even if swim loves it way too much swim wont be able to get into it.....where as with heroin,swim could probably get his hands on some nice filthy mixed heroin here if swim really tried.....so the possibility of addiction is a threat,and getting hooked on some horrible mixed down heroin doesnt sound appealing.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Swim started out smoking cannabis and now over 10 years later H with C is swims drug of choice which swim is now trying resist completely having had some horrible experiences lately and first hand experience of terribly ruined lives...

[VincentVan]

Best of lucks Dr.Gonzo.
You deserve it.
My personal experience is that the hardest part in getting rid of H addiction is not to kick the habit, but to stay clean afterward.
It´s an unfair and pityless struggle that will cause depression,extreme nervousism and scary mood swing.
But it´is a struggle that can be , has been and will be won.
If you are in need of some tips, some info or just some support let me know .
My personal struggle has recently entered its third month, so I think that I have been right in the spot where you find yourself right now.
Don´t be shy and don´t feel stupid if you feel like you need to tell somebody how miserable you feel.
When it was my turn to go through this hell , I exploited the friendliness of Apradrava, Mr. jim and other good members of this forum (I don´t know if the "scratch my back" thread still is visible) and I will always be grateful for what they have done for me.
It´s impossible to realize how important is to talk to somebody about your troubles until you actually do it.
Congratulations for your brave decision Doc Gonzo.
You can do it!

VV.

[Forthesevenlakes]

the scratch my back thread is still up, it was a godsend to swim when he had to cut back on his own habit. he's not sure that he wants to stop use, but that thread helped him get through the physical part and make sure that his use was no longer daily. here's the link to the thread

[sweetsweetmary]

SWIM has never done heroin or crack. Reason being when swim was young, he knew never to try those. That said if SWIM could go back swim would have thrown meth on the list of things never to try but back then it was less known about. SWIM has snorted oxycontin and found the feeling to not be the feeling he enjoys. SWIM enjoyed cocaine more than the down feeling. If SWIM could take back his cocaine use he wouldn't as he has no bad effects and has been off cocaine for more then a year. SWIM says Heroin is bad MMMkay.