Combinations - Magic Mushrooms and Syrian Rye

[QGdoxl]

Has anyone tried this? Does it potetiate the trip? How much rue seeds would one take?

[Phungushead]

Rue potentiates mushrooms a lot. However, there are also some shitty
side effects from this... here is some more info on that:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14688

[bearded]

If you can do a really simple chemistry procedure, you could do an acid/base extraction on the syrian rue seeds to yield harmaline/harmine HCI. This won't taste half as bad, and it'll be a much smaller amount to consume.

SWIM has done the extraction, and combined it with P. cubensis mushrooms.

SWIM normally takes 150mg harmaline in a capsule and waits 45 minutes. By this time, he will feel really warm, and notice a slight change in vision (increase colours). He'll then eat his dried mushrooms. SWIM has also taken 30-50mg insuffulated, which decreases the wait until mushroom ingestion.

Where normally SWIM would take 3.5 grams of cubies to have a pleasant experience, he can take 2grams with the harmaline, and trip much harder. For him, he also notes that this increases the visual side of the trip.

If you don't want to do the extraction, I believe 3.5 grams of syrian rue seeds is ground up, and a tea is made, allowed to sit, and then filtered.

A few notes: everytime SWIM has taken harmaline, he gets some of the nastiest explosive shits the next day, or towards the end of the trip. Mushrooms don't normally do this to him.

Also: Not fasting for 24 hours before taking an MAOI (like syrian rue) is a very silly thing to do, and can result in horrible side effects, the most extreme being death. There are a ton of foods/drinks you can not eat at all before you take an MAOI, and they are listed in the link Phungushead posted.

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Thanks for the info.

[Richi]

Should one take 3 grams of harmal (syrian rue) first, to experience it, before mixing it with mushrooms? How would a cow feel if it ate that much harmal?

[sweatloaf13]

I'm prescribed 40mg of adderall 3x a day for ADHD(snicker,snicker)and just aquired an oz.of syrian rue.Now a FOAF is on the same dose as myself and he would like to try the rue/psilocybin combo soon since he has ALOT of fungi on hand that he grew.How many days prior should he stop the adderall,and how much of the rue/shrooms should he take for a trip the equivalent of 5-6grams dried alone?Also is it same to smoke DMT while on the rue?

[Potter]

I wouldn't be concerned about the adderall if you skip it the day before and day of, less it is the XR, then probably want another day in there. The stuff clears out of the system pretty quickly. The rue should come an hour before the rest of your sacraments, let it get good and absorbed. Alas I'm not sure as to dosing. I'd suggest eating your standard amount of the mushrooms with the rue and using that as a baseline. Really no good reason to go minimalistic.

Love.
Potter.

[Nagognog2]

Combinations of harmala alkaloids (found in peganum harmala - Syrian Rue) with psilocybin are known to cause a MUCH stronger and stranger journey. One should approach this with caution and start with a smaller amount to determine what would be the desired effect here. Remember: You can always take more of something next week. But you can't take less of something today.

[Probing Tranquility]

SWIM is going to order some syrian rue seeds to intensify and prolong his fungi supply. He was wondering how much syrian rue to take with the mushrooms(like x g's syrian rue + x g's mushrooms = x g's mushroom)

[tayo]

usually 3 grams is sufficient for a doubling effect, but it is truly difficult to measure, but expect a strong trip. make sure to read up on maoi safety and be prepared for anything.

[grandbaby]

Using MAOIs as an economizer is a dicey proposition. MAOIs not only amplifiy and extend the effects of substances, but alter them. And if strict dietary/substance-intake regimens are not followed, disaster (hospitalizations, health problems, death) can ensue. Especially with substances as common - and as dose-variable* - as p. cubensis, it would be advisable to suggest to SWIY that he simply procure more thereof.

* i.e. 1g of mushrooms can contain anywhere from "not much" psiloc(yb)in to "a shitload".

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Good post.

[Probing Tranquility]

SWIM is aware of the dangers of MAOI's and has read up on what not to eat and what drugs not to take. SWIM just sort of glanced over them because he doesn't have and hasn't ordered any syrian rue yet, but SWIM will make sure to read over them in detail and take all the precautions associated with MAOI's. From what SWIM has read and heard about them it is powerful stuff and demands full respect from anyone whom is going to ingest these substances.

[QGdoxl]

nicely put Nag,

Is there many folks who have had a lab rat or what ever who has much experience with maoi and mushies? Swim has trouble getting off on shrooms, and has been continplating for some time now to try the combo. Swim has access to both rue seeds and a high concentration passion flower extract (40x I think), what he is wondering is how much maoi is (swim wants to say recomended here but knows this whole practice is not really "recomended") enough to start with.

He will normally dose 5-8g shroooms with little effect, some trippy feeling maybee some breathing of objects and some giggles. Would 1g of rue do? or should he try a little more?

Also on a side note the passionflower extrace he has he smokes aprox 100mg with a bowl of mary j and it is a very nice end of the night combo sending him to sleep for a great night of sleep. Do you suppose he is still getting the maoi effect of the passion flower if it is smoked? Not 100% on the specifics of the maoi and all of its workings. Much to learn before atempting any such combo, but help is greatly appreciated.

[psyche]

Also: Not fasting for 24 hours before taking an MAOI (like syrian rue) is a very silly thing to do, and can result in horrible side effects, the most extreme being death. There are a ton of foods/drinks you can not eat at all before you take an MAOI, and they are listed in the link Phungushead posted.

Caution is always advised, but in practise SWIM hasn't gotten sick by eating whatever he wants about four hours before the aya and eight to ten hours after. I'm no sure what the physical evidence indicates, but MAOI's are pretty effective and fast enzymes since oral DMT doesn't stand a change of getting to the brain before they are getting destroyed by the liver, and smoked DMT fades mostly away in a matter of ten minutes, altough after effects linger longer.

Eating at a three or four hour mark, when the actual trip turned out to be a failure, has gotten SWIM a couple of times very very sick. Once he ate jogurt with oat-cerial that had some sort of syrup in it. He isn't sure if there is something that shouldn't be taken along with MAOI's. Youghurt might've been on the list in erowid, but on the other hand he drank a liter of yoghurt after another aya-session, but it was further into the evening that time. I've heard there's l-tyrosine in youghurt, which is a direct precursor to neurotransmitter dopamine(right?), so if there's enough MAO-B -inhibiting going on it might explain what happened. After eating he started feeling very very spaced out. His trip seemed to kick in too, but in addition his heart was beating very fast, he was feeling nauseous(which might be also because of the brew), and overall very, very energetic. It wasn't like the normal energetic feeling from ayahuasca, but very jittery and uncomfortable, like he was about to have a seizure. It took a couple of hours for the worst to fade away, which made it different from normal nausea he had experienced with ayahuasca. He was still feeling very edgy and unwell, but noticing that it was going over and it had became bearable was really soothing.


He had once tried the combination. He went with his brother to their summer cottage to have a psychedelic evening. It's a finnish custom to own something that is called summer cottage if translated literally. It's a cottage, which is nowadays more like a second apartment, but it's still called a cottage because the idea is to get away from everything around you and I guess they used to be more primal forms of living. Anyway he had really great time. At first they both just listened to music and tripped for the duration of the most intense effects. After that they started chatting, and that was really something. SWIM has never had that kind of stream of thought's flow from his mouth. They, or he mostly, was talking non-stop for a couple of hours. Mostly talking about philosophical issues and joking with his strange, absurd sense of humor. It was really the closest thing to psychoanalysis SWIM has ever had happen to him.