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Old 28-07-2006, 01:50
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TA recruits using morphine?

SWIF's friend who is 18 is part of the TA in the uk. THe TA is the terretorial army for any of those who were unsure. It is a temporary type job which one is paid to work between 5 and 12 weeks a year to be trained in the military.

SWIF was recently speaking to his friend called Liveley. Liveley says he had an amazing experience with morphine in the TA. SHocked SWIF asked how this had come to pass.

Liveley says "So that we are able to know what morphine feels like we are given a single dose trial in our training. It is in a amulet around the neck and is smashed or thrust into the neck (it wasnt clear) and the onset of effects was very quick"

SWIF came and asked me was this true.

Ok a couple of things,
1) Surely the TA cant' condone use of morphine to merely "Experience what it's like so that you know in case of a combat injury requiring morphine"
2) Surely smashing or jabbing something into your neck is not going to be effective for absorbtion? (and if it was an injection surely that'd be dangerous)
3) My first reaction is that he was talking shit, but he did describe the effects in great detail and this i dont believe was made up. (as SWIF knows the effects very well

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Old 28-07-2006, 02:43
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swim assumes (fairly sure) it is probably something similar to an eppy pen. it has a one use needle attached to a small quantity of morphine for a one motion quick injection in the field. Swim doesnt think its that ridiculous think about this way, police officers in the US test less than lethal weapons (tasers and such) on themselves before they carry and use them in the field. one must become familar with something before they use it....

no onto whether it is BS, now that swim doesnt know. US soldiers dont carry that but medics are common and morphine is common on the battle field. Swim thinks its feasable for the TA to carry morphine but it is probably checked after every mission for use, but thats just a guess.
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Old 28-07-2006, 10:53
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swim has wondered about the efficacy of this route of administration as well. many war movies (especially those set in the second world war) show medics or wounded soldiers administering morphine by simply jabbing a syringe or ampule into someone, even if their clothes are still on. swim was always under the impression that opiates had to be administered in the IV form for best absorption, but realizes this may not be possible under combat conditions. however he also didnt think IM administration would even work! perhaps IM does work, because he thinks that the movies do have some air of accuracy to them (even though he realizes they are fiction, usually war movies try to preserve some fact in them), and the story about swif's friend seems to support this.
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Opiates can be administerd IM as well, though the onset is slightly slower.
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Swim has only injected morphine a few times, not a fan of injecting anything but he did IM worked quite well, sure no huge rush but pretty quick and a needle can easily go through clothing so that shouldnt be a problem.

IM is very nice route for combat situations, its extremely easy and works relitively quickly... oviously not IV fast but sure beats oral.
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