question about the smoke.

[vantranist]

Swim was woundring if its possible to hold the DMT smoke in a chamber for a certain ammount of time allowing it to cool and be less harsh like in a freebase like this


http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/.../pipe_dmt1.jpg


or would the smoke lose its potency and Dmt values if its not inhaled within like 10 seconds?

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thread title should have drugs name in it.

[Marsofold]

DMT vaporizes at 185C. That means it will condense on the sidewalls of any container below that temperature. So for efficiently storing it in vapor form without condensation loss, it would be necessary to maintain the entire smoke-filled container at 185C. Not impossible, but not convenient...

[fatal]

and causing it to be no less harsh because it wont cool down.

[Bajeda]

Is DMT really that harsh? Swim hasn't tried it yet but is wondering how hard it is to smoke.

How strong is the smoke compared to salvia likesay?

[trip.more]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Is DMT really that harsh? Swim hasn't tried it yet but is wondering how hard it is to smoke.

How strong is the smoke compared to salvia likesay?

way stronger than salvia. One swiy inhales he will want to exhale at least the first time.

[quantumbrujo]

It is somewhat harsh when smoked in a glass bubble pipe,but when sandwitched between two layers of ash and smoked in a ghetto style plastic bottle crack pipe with aluminum foil,it's smooth as hell.

[Djvr16]

Swim didn't find the vapor to be harsh at all, just numbing and plastic tasting. Salvia is much worse in his opinion.

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Answered the question as requested.

[Sklander]

The smell is not pleasant, but it is tolerable.

SWIM thinks that people tend to exagerate the harshness of the smoke. SWIM thought he was going to have trouble his first time, but it was no problem at all to hit the pipe slowly and consistently and hold the vapro in for as long as you can comprehend reality...

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Sklander

The smell is not pleasant, but it is tolerable.

SWIM thinks that people tend to exagerate the harshness of the smoke. SWIM thought he was going to have trouble his first time, but it was no problem at all to hit the pipe slowly and consistently and hold the vapro in for as long as you can comprehend reality...

Does swiy or anyone else have trouble exhaling as the trip kicks in? It is a major worry of swim as he has heard that you can forget to exhale it is so intense.

Is this a problem for many?

[raven3davis]

This has never been a problem for SWIM. Exhaling will be the natural thing to do.

SWIM has never found the smoke to be too harsh, but many of his friends have. The DMT they smoked was never recrystallized or washed with ammonia, so they say, so the extra lye might have added to the harshness. SWIM has smoked yellow impure crystals and he still didnt think the taste was very harsh. The impure yellow stuff still gets you high as a kite too If you are worried about the harsh plastic taste of the DMT smoke, you should definitely try and clean up the final product.

SWIM as only smoked dmt, but he really wants to take it via IV, or orally with an MAOI. Snorting DMT is another option, but SWIM once snorted a tiny bit to see how much it burned his nose, and the pain was intense. SWIM would not want to go into a DMT trip with his nose feeling like fire ants had just crawled up it.

The smoke does seem to make SWIM produce a lot of mucus though. Sometimes when the trip is over SWIM will have a huge load of spit in his mouth. Once SWIM comes back to reality, he can still taste the DMT. The taste can stay in the back of your throat for a good while.

SWIM likes smoking because of the quick onset, so he can only imagine what DMT IV would be like. SWIM wants to do some research on his own and see how powerful .4mg/kg is.

[vantranist]

yes swim would really like some info on how to IV some DMT safley aswell.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by vantranist

yes swim would really like some info on how to IV some DMT safley aswell.

Go to the Spirit Molecule thread and check out the pdf file of the book.

Dr. Strassman describes how he injects the DMT, as well as appropriate dose. It is quite risky though, and you need to both calculate dose exactly and know what you are doing.

Not really recommended unless you are extremely familiar with both psychedelics and IV drugs. Even then, it doesn't seem like the best thing to do in a recreational setting. IM injection takes a little longer to hit but may be safer.

Check the link in the other thread and see if you can find the part where he explains the difference between the forms of DMT ingestion and how he performed them. I'll check my copy and give more information after.

BajEdit: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4546
http://www.bestsharing.com/files/ms0...2001).pdf.html

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off topic but good answer

[Sklander]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Does swiy or anyone else have trouble exhaling as the trip kicks in? It is a major worry of swim as he has heard that you can forget to exhale it is so intense.

Is this a problem for many?

Like SWIraven3davis said, exhaling is a natural thing to do. The problem SWIM has found is beng able to understand the "take one more hit" from everyone around SWY as reality fades away.

The first time SWIM smoked DMT he was expecting it to be a lot worse than it actually was. To SWIM, smoking a low quality blunt full of schwag is far worse than any DMT smoke!

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Thanks. Answered any remaining questions I had about DMT smoke.

[Djvr16]

It sure does smell up the room. How swim would like to hit some DMT right now ( Maybe he has another extraction in the near future.

[quantumbrujo]

yeah, it makes the room smell like the air taken out from an old tire.