Opiates and their feel

[Fantasian]

I've been wondering about this for some time, do people in general feel that differant opiates offer differant highs.

In SWIF's experience Diamorphine IV felt alot darker and more dangerous than morphine but this could have just been placibo. COdeine felt similar to morphine however slightly more itching. SWIF never noticed a significant differant effect like that of consuming differant strains of cannabis.

I am curious, do other find that the differant opiates offer vastly differant feelings. SWIF didnt find this so but then hasnt tried EVERY opiate.

[Forthesevenlakes]

this poll has to be swim's area of expertise =]

much like swifantasian, swim found that diacetylmorphine (heroin) felt very dark and dangerous...if morphine is a dream, diamorphine is a nightmare!

swim finds morphine and codeine to be largely body highs, itching and warmth and such. sometimes they give a dopey high where swim cant think entirely straight but is amused by everything.

hydromorphone is almost an entirely cerebral high. thinking becomes quite clear, and there is a detached sort of enjoyment of his situation. however he feels no body high, nor most of the standard opiate side effects except for constipation.

oxycodone and hydrocodone, to swim, are a good mix of bodily and mental high. he can think very clearly on either, and becomes much more creative. additionally he feels some warmth but the body high never gets overwhelming like it can with morphine.

fentanyl is mostly an emotional high for swim where he will feel intensely happy, but notice very little has changed with his thought processes, nor does he get much of a body high with this either.

oddly enough propoxyphene and tramadol give similar highs to swim. he cant figure that one out.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Of the few opiates SWIM has tried he has to agree with forthesevenlakes response as he gets very similar feelings from the same substances he mentioned. And they tend to be considerably different from one another.

[Desertfox]

Swim has found the difference of opiates Swim has experience with(ocycodone, codiene, morphine, methadone, fentanyl, hydrocodone) is the high are all similar only varying in intensity with route of administrion, or combination of other mild drugs(i.e., cannabis)

[uncle bob]

I'm fairly new here on this site (ok very new) but I bring a lot of knowledge with me. I don't even know what draws me to this site but I am a firm believer that things, ALL things happen for a reason and maybe one reason I am here tonight is to tell you seriously that opiates are drugs best left alone. They revieve pain, they are very pleasing to the body and mind and they just make you feel good. So good in fact that you want to recreate that feeling over and over again, but you need an increasingly larger dose to achieve the same effect. And there my friend is the trap that captures so many souls that opium production and all it's derivitives is a multi billion dollar business that all governments have their hands right in the mixing pot. The drugs are hopelessly addicting and I have seen far too many friends die or lose their family and friends and lose their self worth and do terrible things for a 10 dollar bag of heroin for me to ever use or endorse any of those drugs. when you become physically and emotionally sick, dripping with sweat and puking on the floor and losing your bowels because you have not had your fix today (and that can be any opiate), you will sell your soul, or your dignity because you know the cure is only knife blade away and you take your chances to get your fix so that you can feel good for another few hours when you have to go through it all over again.
keeping it real--uncle bob________________comments on my comment?

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by uncle bob

I'm fairly new here on this site (ok very new) but I bring a lot of knowledge with me. I don't even know what draws me to this site but I am a firm believer that things, ALL things happen for a reason and maybe one reason I am here tonight is to tell you seriously that opiates are drugs best left alone. They revieve pain, they are very pleasing to the body and mind and they just make you feel good. So good in fact that you want to recreate that feeling over and over again, but you need an increasingly larger dose to achieve the same effect. And there my friend is the trap that captures so many souls that opium production and all it's derivitives is a multi billion dollar business that all governments have their hands right in the mixing pot. The drugs are hopelessly addicting and I have seen far too many friends die or lose their family and friends and lose their self worth and do terrible things for a 10 dollar bag of heroin for me to ever use or endorse any of those drugs. when you become physically and emotionally sick, dripping with sweat and puking on the floor and losing your bowels because you have not had your fix today (and that can be any opiate), you will sell your soul, or your dignity because you know the cure is only knife blade away and you take your chances to get your fix so that you can feel good for another few hours when you have to go through it all over again.
keeping it real--uncle bob________________comments on my comment?

Umm...

Thanks for that but you didnt really add much to the discussion or thread.

Maybe post what you said in your own thread or under addiction/recovery.

[Forthesevenlakes]

EDIT: SWIFantasian already beat me to it!

also, swim wanted to state that tramadol and propoxyphene give him a mild opiate buzz, with a bit of mental fog and sometimes slightly altered thought processes like a low dose of dxm. with tramadol he can understand this because it has some SSRI properties, but cant figure out why propoxyphene would feel the same way.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

COdeine felt similar to morphine however slightly more itching.

Doesn't codeine basically become morphine within the body when ingested? Therefore I imagine the effects are pretty-much the exact same.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Doesn't codeine basically become morphine within the body when ingested? Therefore I imagine the effects are pretty-much the exact same.

yes, its mostly metabolized to morphine, with some metabolism into norcodeine. also the different bioavailability might account for the very slight difference in effect. but they are mostly the same.

[SumoCat]

Swim hasn't much experience with varied forms of opiates, only experience with codeine/hydrocodone of varying brands and dosages. Among those experiences, there's often a noticeable difference in smoothness and duration of effects, and Swim believes this has to do with the various "fillers" in different manufacturer's pills.