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Old 26-07-2006, 05:19
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Ambien/Zolpidem (wow)

A few days ago, swim took 30 mg of ambien, his biggest dose yet. And let me tell you, it was definitly... interesting...

About an hour after he took it, his friend X called. Swim decided to make bacon as he was feeling hungry. This is all before it took effect. About half way through the bacon, it hit him like a train!
He felt like he lost all ability to cook or something, and just started screaming at the bacon. It was smoking and everything so he opened all the windows. After eating half the bacon and throwing the rest away, he dumped the grease in the sink. After that, he took a peice of bread and wiped the pan with it. All the black burnt sh*t got on it, and swim ate it, because in his logic, it was "technically" still bacon grease and should taste good. Which it did. He thinks.
After that, he decided to destroy his sister's play room for no apparent reason. Boy it was fun though, he kicked everything over with what felt like steel wrecking balls for feet.
After that is when he started harrasing X over the phone. Boy does he owe him an appology. Now, he'd never consider being gay, but he did have a few bi-curious fantasies about X. And man he spilled everything to him. He said he wanted to have an orgy with him, X, and X's 2 dogs... wierd... There's more to that I dont really want to get into.. At the end he was begging X for a naked picture of him.
Well swim called X the next day and appologized and we both understand it was the abiem talking, but wow... Dogs.. ehk.

Anyway he's still trying to decide if it was worth doing again. The way it made him act was kinda fun, but dangerous as well. The scary part is, he was unaware of how messed up he was. With weed, you can damn well tell your high, swim had no clue with the ambien though. Overall, Im just saying, be warned what this stuff can do to you, by no means take it around authority figures or in dangerous settings... Or dogs...
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Old 26-07-2006, 15:21
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Well just another reason u should allways have a trip-sitter when doing new substances... Semms like u had alot of agression u deicided to take out during the trip.. What was the mind pre-set before lol?
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Old 26-08-2006, 12:20
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What does ambien feel like? Anything like a benzo, or does it only make you want to sleep?

SWIM wants to give it a try, but it was marketed as a benzo (called Stilnoct/Stilnox).

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Old 26-08-2006, 21:18
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it doesnt much feel like a benzo to swim. the urge to sleep maybe feels like a good dose of benzos, but if swiy stays awake on it, it becomes more of a trip. swim would maybe compare it to a mild deleriant like diphenhydramine or something. all sorts of cognitive delusions, some hallucinations, etc. the weird part is that swiy will likely accept these things as completely natural during the trip, and not as the influence of a drug.
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Old 26-08-2006, 21:41
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Is it uncomfortable or difficult to stay awake on it? SWIM wants to try something new, but it's a waste if it's a struggle.
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Old 26-08-2006, 21:46
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swim would not say its difficult or even uncomfortable to stay awake. its basically 15 minutes to 30 of fighting what seems like a normal urge to go to sleep. but the ambien is not so overpowering that staying awake is impossible. as long as swiy is doing something moderately engaging he should have no problem staying up, even if its just talking with friends.
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Old 26-08-2006, 22:22
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Ambien is more dangerous than barbituates - but it's what the government says doctors should give us mortals. Amazing how the new drugs are more dangerous and less useful than the old ones. One must go to bet soon after
taking Ambien or misadventures can occur.
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Old 27-08-2006, 00:47
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Swim was given a trial of Ambien(zoldipem) as an adjunctive med to SWIM's low dose of clonazepam.

SWIM got zero relief from the prescribed dose(10mg @ bedtime). No effect whatever...So..

SWIM had read the side-effect profile, and decided it might be of recreational interest. Swim doubled his dose, and still nothing. No effect whatever...So...

SWIM got his clonazepam script doubled..Bingo! Anxiety free days, and a good sleep. Yes!

What SWIM is attempting to relate is that like all psychotropic drugs, your mileage may vary.

For SWIM, Ambien(zolpidem) had no therapeutic or recreational value on any dosages he tried. Of course, SWIM cannot attest to higher dosings, but SWIM's experience at the dosages reported above was no effect at all. Heck, SWIM couldn't even doze off...*shrugs*

Most reports that SWIM has read, are of the type that desolated000 reported; albeit somewhat less jarring.

Additional:

SWIM replied to a report well in excess of a year ago wherein the thread starter reported visual disturbances(hallucinations, in fact) on a 10mg(?) dose. SWIM replied in that thread that at a higher dose no effect of any variety was experienced. Swim may have as well been drinking milk
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Old 31-08-2006, 09:42
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SWIM takes Ambien recreationally on occasion, but never more than 10mg (usually 5). It's not much fun fighting off drowsiness, but the loss of inhibitions, pleasant/euphoric dizziness and interesting visual disturbances are definitely amusing. It's like a waking dream state.

P.S. SWIM's usual method is to dose near bedtime (for obvious reasons). He'll start with 5mg, then go to 7.5 if desired, and as high as 10mg. It seems ridiculous to go much higher than that, if "knowing what you're doing and what's going on around you" is important to a person.

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Old 31-08-2006, 13:38
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whew! thought swim had heard it all.trippin on sleeping pills?wow seems like loads of fun for the 2 or 3 min a swims got just before the things kick in.the coma that overdosing on sleeping pills can cause and the possibility of death really sound exciting!!swims just amazed at the things a person can miss out on.ambien hits fast if it hits at all.its one sleeping pill swims tried for insomnia and it only gave 4 hrs of restless sleep.that was at the recommended dose on the script.swim has never had a desire to party on a sleeping aid.take too many of those things and rotting in the grave is the only party a swims going to attend.dress nice.ya wanna look good when they close the lid on the coffin and bury your dumb ass.shiz..
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Old 31-08-2006, 13:53
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Ambien is more dangerous than barbituates
How so? There is little risk of overdose with zolpidem. I have yet to hear of an ambien related death whereas barbs were responsible for many, many deaths. While it is true that ambien can cause strange behaviour it is unlikely to kill.
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Old 31-08-2006, 14:32
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Ambien drug class-imidzopyridines.related to benzodiazepines.overdose causes coma.central nervous system depressant.death occurs from respriatory failure and cadiac arrest.it should not be taken with other drugs that cause depression of the central nevous system it is very dangerous.kidney failure due to overdose is possible.habit forming potential is high.it can kill you if you take it like candy.shiz..the normal theraputic dose is 10mg in a 24 hr period.

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Old 31-08-2006, 16:16
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One effect of Ambien, that has made it into the main-stream press, is it's effect to keep people's brains asleep even though they have had 6 - 8 hours of sleep, and are awake (seemingly) and functioning. Functioning into their cars and driving off to work - while still chemically asleep in bed. I don't have the articles on this, but it was said that since Ambien started being mass-marketed, the number of early-morning car-crashes went up dramatically. And the police, researching the cause of this, blew the whistle that the responsible parties were using Ambien as a sleep-aid.

Hide the car keys.

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Old 31-08-2006, 16:54
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^^SWIM has experienced something like this first hand. Occasionally he takes ambien (or Stilnoct as it is marketed as here) when he can't sleep. He would often realise half way through the next day that he remembers little or nothing of the morning. He has, on several occasions, had conversations of which he had no recollection and once said something that would have been better left unsaid. (This led to a very awkward situation.)

Another thing SWIM has noticed is the hangover that he experiences when it wears off, headache and aching joints. Has anyone else noticed this? It is a major reason SWIM tries to avoid this drug.
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Old 31-08-2006, 22:30
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I've seen newspaper stories about people Ambien walking. I think what is happening, obviously, is people are taking it at 1am then waking up at 6am or so. It doesn't take rocket science to know the half life of a compound.
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Old 31-08-2006, 23:03
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The prescribing doctor can only warn the patient about what information they have. Doctors mostly rely on the PDR to do this. The PDR is published by the pharmaceutical industry.

The head's-up about this side-effect, or whatever you wish to call it, did not come from the drug's manufacturer. It came from the police who clean up the mess afterwards.

Does this strike anyone as being unusual?
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Old 02-10-2006, 14:04
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SWIM started taking Ambien rectally as long ago as a month. He mixes it with 3-5ml water, lets it dissolve completely, then shoots it up the pipes. It's about twice as strong (5mg rectal=10mg oral) and starts coming on within 15 seconds -- there's actually a minor "rush" of sorts.

One interesting thing is that SWIM had a problem waking up 2.5-3.5 hrs after falling asleep with regular Ambien by mouth, but seems to sleep all through the night with regular Ambien administered rectally. Why this is, SWIM's not sure. Maybe some aspects of absorption are slower, because less of the colon is exposed to the drug? Who knows.

SWIM's been trying to figure out bioavailability and absorption-speed issues with rectal administration, but just keeps getting inconsistent results that occasionally border on making no sense (e.g. his recent long, long, LONG methylone experience... following several higher-dose rectal 'boosts', the stuff just wouldn't quit working).
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:21
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P.S. SWIM has been finding Ambien increasingly attractive lately... he finds it very relaxing/euphoric with or without going to bed after dosing -- he has some OCD-like tendencies, and Ambien is an effective cure. Also, he never experiences any of the weirder side effects like heavy amnesia, hallucinations or unconscious behavior. Just some slowdown and a bit of motor incoordination at worst.

SWIM's gonna have to watch that he doesn't start escalating doses & get addicted... from what he found on the web, it's not very easy stuff to get off of.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:27
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I believe you have addressed the issues around the 2.5 -3.5 wake-up call. The drug, Ambien, was not tested on those SWIM's are loaded on uppers.

What is happening is the adrenaline synthisizing and being dumped through dopaminergic sites. This is brain-surgery to even begin to draw out a map. On one hand SWIM is telling his body to be on rocket-fuel and head for Mars. On the other hand, SWIM is telling his body to kick over to REM-state and rest. This is not a good experiment. I wouldn't do this to George Bush! Rectal admin. of many drugs = 3X the effect.

I have a friend who is a doctor who specializes in sleep-deprivation. If SWIM continues this, let me know. I'll buy stock in his outfit. Please ask Jack Kerouac (SWIM) to leave some good literature behind - after he is gone.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:43
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I believe you have addressed the issues around the 2.5 -3.5 wake-up call. The drug, Ambien, was not tested on those SWIM's are loaded on uppers.

What is happening is the adrenaline synthisizing and being dumped through dopaminergic sites. This is brain-surgery to even begin to draw out a map. On one hand SWIM is telling his body to be on rocket-fuel and head for Mars. On the other hand, SWIM is telling his body to kick over to REM-state and rest. This is not a good experiment.
In SWIM's opinion it's not an experiment at all. Ambien works on GABA receptors, which take final precedence in the brain. In other words, if you simultaneously burn something with fire while spraying water on it, the water wins every time.

Let's put it another way. Suppose a guy who's really anxious about a presentation at work the next day takes Ambien to help him sleep. Adrenaline is racing through his body, his thoughts are racing and he's panicking about his public speech. There's little difference between this guy (probably a typical Ambien user) and another guy loaded on uppers. Both will relax and fall asleep just fine, no problemo.

P.S. No offense, but people who keep saying it's risky to mix uppers & downers (not you Nagognog2) are talking out their @ss, plain and simple. Uppers+downers are the safest drug combinations. The riskiest are downers+downers (respiratory depression, coma, death) and uppers+uppers (seizures, strokes, heart attacks, death).

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No offence taken. But my point to your point remains: It requires "heroic" amounts to knock one down. And then, when down, it doesn't work as it is said to.

Let's say that one was on X amount of speed. Then one took a larger dose of Y to get some rest. Then X wore off. Then full amount of Y took over. What then?

Jimi Hendrix found out what then. And we all lost a lot of music.
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Let's say that one was on X amount of speed. Then one took a larger dose of Y to get some rest. Then X wore off. Then full amount of Y took over. What then?

Jimi Hendrix found out what then. And we all lost a lot of music.
That's a good point. Downers + uppers may be the safest combo, but that doesn't mean it's always perfectly safe. Still, using Ambien while coming down from an upper is safer than "alcohol+benzos" or "cocaine+amphetamines." Particularly if a normal dose of Ambien is taken, which prevents the scenario you describe above.

P.S. SWIM should note that he has a somewhat atypical response to Ambien. First he feels deeply relaxed, like a benzo. When the hypnotic effects kick in his thought process starts to "float," similar to the state immediately preceding sleep (makes it easy to fall asleep fast). But he doesn't hallucinate or have delusions, has no noticeable memory issues and is in full/complete control of his faculties. To his knowledge, he's never sleepwalked or had anything out of the ordinary happen at all while on Ambien.

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Re: Ambien/Zolpidem (wow)

Hi All

There is a person who is known to me but who is not me who suffers from insomnia periodically. They used to get a good nights' sleep on Zopiclone and only recently when the periodic insomnia returned of late were they prescribed Zolpidem. The first night upon taking Zolpidem they noticed its peculiar effect on the visual apparatus ...namely ..they had a very mild trip-like experience. Since they were already in bed they slipped off to sleep and woke the next day looking forward to the evening when they could have another good nights' sleep courtesy of Zolpidem. The second and third night passed in much the same way as the first and when the seven day supply ran out it seemed a normal sleep pattern without the aid of medication had happily re-established itself.

This person has periodic insomnia and some time later after experiencing a couple of nights' tossing and turning they returned to the doctor who gave them another script' for Zolpidem.

Now,the second time around with the Zolpidem the picture is altogether different. They have since awoke from sleep after taking the Zolpidem only two hours earlier. They have wondered about the house in a kind of trance and struggled to get back to sleep. In the morning there is a distinct 'hangover' feeling accompanied definitely with mild feelings of rage. It could be argued insomnia causes people to be ropey and strung out the next day but this morning feeling is different. It's a distinct hangover feeling that they have said does last many hours. Once they reach nightime and re-dose themselves with Zolpidem its awake again in a couple of hours and wandering restless and semi-spaced out about the house.

They have since been back to their doctor who has given them another sleep med but they have definitely learned their lesson with this strange stuff.
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Re: Ambien/Zolpidem (wow)

Thanks for the info! I can now tell alice that she can have the same or even better effects rectally than injecting! Her arms are all fucked up poor alice
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Re: Ambien/Zolpidem (wow)

Things SWIM has done while blacked out on benzodiazepine, and bendiazepine-type meds of similar pharmacological action:

-Changed a tire, and interacted entirely normally w/ CHP. (Xanax)
-Crashed a car, into two parked cars, with a gram of coke on SWIM. (Klonopin)
-Harassed verbally/sexually women in numbers for which count is lost, but one of which may have been in some way vaguely inappropriate (may have been, say, a cousin, ...SWIM doesn't speak with her, or her family, anymore. In retrospect, they did have it all fucking coming for reasons SWIMers elsewhere may relate to w/ people who want you when things are good, but flee when bad... And other things, etc., etc.) (Klonopin, methamphetamine, hard liquor, in close consumptive succession)
-Then proceeded to inadvertently pick a fight (though he didn't want to fight, just screw belligerently w/) his brother. Ended in three day mental health hold.
-Assaulted and/or intimidated people here, people there, people, peoples, everywhere. (various)

Mind you this all occurred with high dosing, and in all cases memory was either ENTIRELY absent or had huge gaps. BEWARE BLACKOUT REDOSING, AND SUBSEQUENT MISADVENTURES, INDEEEEED
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