Kratom 15X extract: not 15 times as strong?

[Svperstar]

EDIT: Last night 2 or
3 hours after posting this I got very sick, more than I have off of any
other opiate(I know Kratom technically isn't one but similar effects).
I threw up ~10 times over the course of a few hours, i couldn't even
keep water down. I may have taken too much and passed a threshold where
more was useless.</span>



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I decided to take a chance so I ordered 50 grams of it last week, it got here yesterday and today I started to experiment.

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The price has gone up since the 7 days I ordered, doh!

It
should be mentioned that the forms of Kratom I have tried are the
premium extract in pill form, premium powder in pill form, and up till
now my favorite has been the regular powder.

I typically take 5
TSPs of the regular powder(~22 grams), put it on my tongue and wash it
down one at a time. This tastes horrible but I have consumed much worse
in the name of recreation :P

I decided to take it on an empty stomach to maximize the effects.

I used a 1 TSP scooper to measure. From what I have read online 1 TSP = ~4.3-4.6 grams

Well I decided to take 1 TSP of the 15x just as a baseline. So I put that on my Tongue.

Oh
My God. Strong Taste. Wow. The second it touches your tongue you know
this is strong stuff. I won't say it tastes horrible because someone
might enjoy it but it matches its red color by having a VERY heavy
peppery spice taste. It is not spicy as in hot, but it hits you hard
with flavor. Nothing like Nutmeg but still.

I imagine some
people would have a hard time swallowing this stuff, if you cant handle
the powder then you for sure will not be able to swallow this. Might
want to invest in some gell caps.

It has a nice powdery texture, might be able to mix this stuff with Yogurt or Applesause with ease.

I
was it down. My tongue goes numb almost immediately, this does not
happen to me with the regular powder though it did with the extract.

Well in 10 minutes it started to come up, very good, equivelent to my normal 20-25 gram dose of the regular stuff.

I
took another TSP, so I am now up to ~9 grams of it. That was 30 minutes
ago. Right now I feel very good, probably the most intense Kratom
experience I have had.

The odd thing is I don't have a
headache, I usually get a slight headache when the stuff kicks in, I do
have horrible dry mouth though.

So my thoughts? Well it is too soon to tell exactly so I will probably bump this thread over the next few days.

I
do think the "15x" name is misleading. This IS more potent than the
leaf, that is for sure, but if my math is correct if this was really
15x as strong my 9 grams it would be like having 135 grams of regular
leaf. It is not quite that potent :P

The great thing is not
having to eat so much powder. I have a strong stomach but I must admit
by the 5th TSP of regular powder I feel sort of sick and have to relax
to keep it down. With this the powder is very smooth and disolves easy
and a quick swig of Redbull washed away the taste.

If you were
hoping this powder would allow you to reach new heights not possible
with the standard powder then you will probably be let down, but if you
just want less mess and hassle then I say go ahead.

Like I said
above though, this is my first time having it and there is a lot more
powder for me to enjoy so I may update in the next few days

[Pinkavvy]

That's a great experience report, and welcome to the forum.

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[Alfa]

Are you a regular Kratom user? 22 grams is a shitload of Kratom to use. Or are you used to bunk Kratom? The Kratom that I have blasts me away trough hyperenergetic euphoriawith a very strong8 grams dose. Half of this already is fun. I am waiting for a suited moment to try this 15X Kratom which I have sitting here. Since the advised dose is3 grams I'll start at that and see from there.

[radiometer]

I keep wondering how 15X relates to the doses recommended. 15 times
what?

As Alfa says, 8g of good kratom leaf/powder is pretty strong...so one
should be able to take 500mg of this "new" product and get effects, if it's
15X the strength.

I think someone's pulling one over on us (not the poster, but the
suppliers).Edited by: radiometer

[sunyata]

Originally Posted by radiometer

As Alfa says, 8g of good kratom leaf/powder is pretty strong...so one
should be able to take 500mg of this "new" product and get effects, if it's
15X the strength.[/b]

Like I stated in the sources forum, 600mg of the 15x gave me as strong effects as 6g of super premium leaf. But I've noticed that tolerance sets in quickly when it comes to Kratom. Since I got the extract, which is about 5 weeks ago, I have used it every weekend, friday and saturday. The effects have become less and less impressive until last weekend when I was forced to conclude that there were practically no effects any more, I consumed over a gram and got nothing more than shallow sedative effects.
I have only tried super premium once before ordering this extract and have no previous experience with Kratom though.

[Alfa]

500 mg barely has effect.

[Svperstar]

I think I should mention last night a few hours after posting this I
ended up throwing up ~10 times, I think I may have taken too much



I think I might have crossed a threshold after which taking more powder was useless, next time I am going to go easier I think.

Originally Posted by Alfa

Are you a regular Kratom user? 22 grams is a shitload of
Kratom to use. Or are you used to bunk Kratom? The Kratom that I have
blasts me away trough hyperenergetic euphoriawith a very
strong8 grams dose. Half of this already is fun. I am waiting for
a suited moment to try this 15X Kratom which I have sitting here. Since
the advised dose is3 grams I'll start at that and see from
there.

I have a pretty high tolerance to opiates, that may be part of the
reason. I used to snort 16 mgs of Hydromorphone years ago and I could
take 160 Oxy and still be more than fine to drive. So that might have
an effect



I could be getting bad Kratom powder maybe. I would say where I
get it but I was warned above not to mention suppliers or I would be
banned.



The stuff I normally take is just the commercial grade powder, I have also had the resin extract.



I do think that the supplier may be full of it also, I WAS higher than
I have ever been on Kratom but even so I don't think I should have
needed so much.

Edited by: Svperstar

[panchovilla]

The new 15x kratom is not that good relative to price.

[dextrolevo]

I'm glad I saw thing, I almost bought this product. I buy the resin and find it to be the easiest and strongest. Just roll it up in a ball and swallow!

[Alfa]

^ I would never take the resin, but that's another topic.

[dextrolevo]

Care to explain why?

[Alfa]

IMO the reason to take an extract is to take a substance in purer stronger form. Kratom resin does not comply to that discription. I can get the same strenght from high quality leaves and resin is far more impure then leaves. For the production of resin mostly commercial bunk Kratom is used through cold water extraction. A lot of waste material which I have no desire for goes into the resin/extract. I also saw resin come from several sources which was made with a solvent, which was not evaporated like it should. Yuk! In this regard I would prefer the enhanced leaves or 15X extract.
If they would call it 2X or 3X and price it accordingly I would find the '15X' attractive.

[INodHardOhYeah]

SWIM just recieved his new batch of 15x Kratom extract today and he must say that he was quite impressed.

The extract was a medium-dark brown very fine powder with the pleasant kratom aroma SWIM has grown so accustomed to. The first thing SWIM notable difference compared to other kratom extracts and powder was its solubility in water. A 150 pound tri-weekly user then added 3g to a cup glass of hot water, then proceeded to stir the bevarge for approx 30 seconds, by which time the kratom had almost completely dissolved. SWIM personally enjoys the taste of unsweetend kratom, so no sugar was added as the beverage was consumed on an empty stomach.

A slight head-change with a co-occuring stimulant sensation was detected 15 minutes later.

1.5 hours had passed and SWIM did not feel the extract was very potent, until the phone rang and he arose quickly, running to answer the phone and blacked out for a moment, SWIM suffers from low blood pressure at times so he does not believe this was entirely related to the kratom. When SWIM came to a few moments later he was met with a very pleasant, deep resonating body buzz accompanied by waves of euphoria rushing over him.

SWIM then went outside to smoke a few cigarettes which noticibly intensified the effects of the kratom. SWIM sat outside until the peek effects wore off and he began to come down, which was approx 3.5 hours after consumption. The effects mellowed out for the next few hours with a residual tranquility which also smoothed out SWIM's nerves (he has benign essential tremors)

Overall SWIM was very happy with the product, especially for only having used 3g. No nausea or unpleasant side effects were noticed throught the experience except for a period of dysphoria at the end of the Gonzaga game.

[Alfa]

If you need a dosage of 3 grams, the name 15X is totally incorrect. Good Kratom has a dose of 5 - 10 grams for a full effect. So real 15X would require a dosage of 0.5 grams. So the name 2.5X would be better for this extract.

[INodHardOhYeah]

SWIM doesn't take much stock in the naming of Kratom, 15x blah whataver, it was priced well in relation to amount and strength. Also 3g was an estimation of 1/2 tsp (didn't bother with scales).

[bewilderment]

How much of it did you have to use betsym?

[acolon_5]

Sorry, but SWIM's vote is this stuff is complete bunk. 10g did very little compared to 20g of regular leaf. SWIM would say it is more of a 2x (or even a 1.5x) extract in terms of potency....and the price, it is ungodly! SWIM told me to tell you that you should save your money and just go for the regular leaf...it is better and it is cheaper. Plus SWIM can easily make the regular leaf tea into something paletable, whereas this 15x (so called) stuff is pretty awful tasting. The ONLY advantage SWIM can see is that you can take this stuff anywhere...no brewing, no caps needed, just mix and chug...but that's it man, SWIM's vote is STAY AWAY....

[DrMuffy]

^^^^^
SWIdr suggests u take the other 3 grams in one shot, or parachute it. But also for future references, SWIdr would suggest that SWIY buy premium grade kratom instead, because you get more for your buck.

[psilocybin]

SWIM tried this, almost no effect. it was from a well known uk site, not lways reliable. could recent withdrawel from gbl intefere with effects or is it far more liekly swim got bad stuff?

[Bajeda]

^^^^ It seems that many people don't get too much out of the extract. Possibly depends on where you get it from, swim isn't too sure.


Don't think GBL withdrawal would interfere with its effects to the extent where swiy doesn't feel anything at all, but don't know enough about the specific pharmacology of the drugs to say more.

Maybe swiy should consider getting Kratom leaf next time instead of the extract. As far as ethnos go, extracts generally seem to not be the way to go about doing them if the more traditional forms are available.

[psilocybin]

SWIM has tried 3g aprox of the 15x kratom extract and feels no effect.. swim mixed into a couple of hot drinks. any tips on how to make the next half the bottle work?

[bewilderment]

I've never used kratom before, and I should have little tolerance (I know kratom's not actually an opiate, but I've heard of cross-tolerance) to opiates since the last time I used them regularly was about six years ago and since then I've only taken them a handful of times. Anyway, I've ordered three grams of the 15x extract which should be arriving soon. I'm planning on taking one gram, and waiting about an hour before determining if I should take more. Does this sound reasonable or would anyone more experienced suggest taking a lower/higher dose? Thanks in advance.

[oz_steve]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

I've never used kratom before, and I should have little tolerance (I know kratom's not actually an opiate, but I've heard of cross-tolerance) to opiates since the last time I used them regularly was about six years ago and since then I've only taken them a handful of times. Anyway, I've ordered three grams of the 15x extract which should be arriving soon. I'm planning on taking one gram, and waiting about an hour before determining if I should take more. Does this sound reasonable or would anyone more experienced suggest taking a lower/higher dose? Thanks in advance.

I took 3g of 15x the first time and the results were rather disappointing - although I do have slightly extremist tendencies LOL. The effects were quite subtle and I certainly wanted more. I took the other 3g after about 3 hours and it had little effect.

I therefore determined to do the whole 6g next time, which I did.
6g of 15x is reasonably intense - an authentic psychoactive experience.

If I were you I'd try 2-3g of 15x as a trial - individual thresholds are of course different. But not 1g. It's hard to imagine 1g having much of an effect based on my own experiences so far.

[oz_steve]

Oh yeah - I'm a male, mid-thirties, 170lbs. I'll get the hang of this experience-reporting thing soon!

[oz_steve]

I've just read a comment by Alfa in another thread that says:

"If you need a dosage of 3 grams, the name 15X is totally incorrect. Good Kratom has a dose of 5 - 10 grams for a full effect. So real 15X would require a dosage of 0.5 grams. So the name 2.5X would be better for this extract."

That's interesting. On that basis my advice about 6g is clearly wrong and based on a lower-grade extract, like 1.25x!