Bodybuilding and GHB

[monkeyman]

swim has read/heard of the same justification that zera gives for the bb's using ghb in addition to the reduced calorific intake versus alcohol. mrg your also stereotyping bb's who use steroids swim has known some who are like you say but others have trained for years before wanting to compete and then started using.
I don't really think the negative comments are really called for but hey thats your choice!

[electrosleaze]

God Swim wishes he had time to write more on the 'miracle' supplement GHB! Please allow Swim to contribute as time allows, but Swim assures valuable education and info and references where available.

First off and most important to SWIM is the need to STRESS the importance of looking at GHB from the right angle and catergory! Many substances as all of the Sways know can and have been easily targeted and classified by the Pharmacuetical Machine and its Whore as 'Drugs'. And along with the term to the general public this most often implies or carries a 'negative' view. But lets take a closer look...

Swim himself first came across GHB in 1981. Back then the few products offered were in its truest form as a butyrolactone. It wasnt until later that Orphan Pharamceuticals released a similar substance in its pure form called Sodium Oxybate. (which is now being prescribed). But there werent to many BB or GNC's around to contribute to the publics desire for working out. But there were many independents that were on the look out for the newest products other then the Wieder line. Before GHB was sold on shelves all day long around the world as a Supplement, Muscle Healer, Strenth Builder, and HGH Growth, secretagogue ect... , it was already a welcomed and highly used supplement for over 20 years. Remeber this was first discovered over 30 years ago by a French Doctor, Dr. H. Laborit, who was highly interested and looking in exploring the effects of GABA in the brain. Laborit stumbled across and synthesized GHB, which substitutes a hydroxy group for an amino group because little or no GABA crosses the blood-brain barrier. This difference allows GHB to cross the blood-brain barrier where some of it is metabolized into GABA. (this is why taking GABA alone doesnt mimic GHB effects or feelings. Also there are only a few discovered substances or supplements known to cross the blood-brain barrier, one being Trytophan, another amino acid found in all our foods that the FDA also manage to pull off shevles from 1984-2004, which recently has backed off. Yes a simple branch-chain amino acid they actually pulled. Why? thats another subject Swim would love to share. But primarily it lies in the secret that it is the KEY amino to build and create, 5htp, which in turn is our mechanism to making MORE SEROTONIN!) For many years prior to its use as a BB supplement it was used in many countries. Europe was using it as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy, an aid to childbirth, and for many other uses. Then in the eighties its popularity grew came as a BB supplement. Why? Well GHB being a naturally made supplement no one could hold the rights to it solely as theres. So like creatine, Glutamine, so forth, many companies started tapping into the growing demand for its secretagogue benefits or relase of HGH and IGF-1. In fact GHB demonstrated the greatest release of HGH out of all current products already being used such as stacked amino acids, arginine, ornithine, lysine and glutamine. These had to be administered in the right balance at the right time on an empty stomach to achieve results. Stacked amino acids remain on the list of the better secretagogues. Some sequences of amino acids work in a similar fashion as Sway may have there own. Melatonin (another valuable tryptomine)also is a secretagogue on its own.

Swim is trying to build the understanding that GHB is a natural substance and for decades was used and viewed ONLY as a beneficial supplement and secretagogue. And even up until the ninetes very little was ever mentioned of its being abused or for its pleasurable side. The point being strong that it was studied for decades and highly used and passed on through many circles of trust in the Medical, Professional, Health and Supplementary Professions. It could be ordered from highly reputable companies and was even a key supplement used in some of the worlds leading LIFE-EXTENSION CLINICS in Europe, USA, and Africa.

GHB is a naturally occuring substance. No not a poison in small amount. But a highly beneficial secretagogue!
GHB is found in nearly every cell of the human body. Chemically it is a four-carbon sugar that completely breaks down to carbon dioxide and water. (this is very important to know as it also explains why it is not near as toxic as many synthetic substances. And a peek into why its key ingredient or pre-cursor butyrolactone is such a highly used substance in chemical plants, the cleaning industry, and textile productions. It is a chemical precursor to drugs, chemicals, and plastics. Yes Sways all heard how its used as a paint or floor stripper, well the reason it is so beneficial is that unlike many man-made chemicals, GBL is a natural substance that breaks down into carbon dioxide and water and has a perfect equilibrium and is perfectly PH Balanced ! How many other substances do most people know besides Vinegar, that can either be used to strip paint or hardened floor sealer, and at the same time be drunk or poured on the skin without even burning? Yes like Vinegar it too is perfectly PH Balanced. Another reason why its not toxic to the ecological realm when poured out or to the human body in less then enourmous dosages.There are many other LACTONES but only Gamma Butyro breaks down into a non toxic substance.) It can be used to form the neurotransmitters, dopamine, norepinephrine, ACH, and GABA, and is an intermediary in this pathway. It can be metabolized by the Kreb’s Cycle. Its concentration seems to decrease in older cells. Since the cells of the hypothalamus are not replaced, these cells contain decreasing amounts of this neurotransmitter precursor. By augmenting this compound, these cells are able to mimic their youthful activity and can release youthful amounts of GHRH. A similar mechanism may also be at work in the pineal gland.

Swim could spend many more hours submitting its healthful effects and how its been used for decades before the higher powers attacked it! But a basis is built towards greater understanding. Miracle supplement? Sway can decide for himself. This is not to suggest in anyway that a miracle substance cannot also bring harm in large amounts. as education teaches , any highly valued substance , whether it be a vitamin, mineral, food, chemical, or whatever, in large dosages can be highly toxic and even casue death. As a elementary comparison, vitamin c is excepted as a wonderful vitamin and sought after by all in our foods or as a supplement. But in high dosage, the same acid can burn holes in a persons stomach and cause life long ulcers. To just use simplicity. So the same with GHB.

Far from being a poison, or a synthetic substance, GHB is naturally occuring in the foods we eat and our own cells. It is a natural component of mammalian metabolism! It is a four carbon sugar. It is a sugar. It is therefore considered to be a NUTRIENT! (also explaining why the gov had so much trouble banning it for so many years. it was protected by the Nutrient Act. Meaning any substance known as a Nutrient cannot be scheduled or banned without convincing evidence of its toxic value. Also explaining how unlike Any other 'drug' or 'substance' GHB is the ONLY one that is both scheduled as III and a I in the USA. A contradicting law )
In the brain it is found in the hypothalimus and basal ganglia. GHB is found though in greater concentrations in kidney, heart, skeletal muscles, and fat tissues. Some scientist are studying it as a neurotransmitter. It is both a metabolite and pre-cursor to the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA.

Please read the following closely for the simple understanding of what GHB, GBL really are and how the human body metabolizes it...
GABA-Gamma-AminoButyric Acid or Gamma-AminoButyrate.... Do Swiy's see the close connections to GBL and GABA? To GHB and GABA? GBL is Gamma Butyrolactone. Its simply a lactone with a Gamma Butyric as its base! BINGO!!!!!!!! There lies its natural base. This is why when a person simply drinks GBL , the body with its digestive mechanisms turns GBL into GHB! Simply converting the Gamma Butyric into a Gamma Hydroxy. Which quickly breaks through the blood-brain barrier and is spread through all the cells of the body.
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So how did GHB go from being not just a legal supplement, but also a highly praised one, (if there is any pondering doubt, do not settle for the surface articles on the internet, remember the gov has spent millions of $ on misinformation and propaganda, much the same as it has on MDMA around the same time. The references Swim posted earlier may be a bit harder to find, but take note that they were written by many Doctors years before the illegalization of it. So most reputable studies and books and articles have been overshadowed by the false info put out by the gov and FDA.) into a 'Dangerous Substance', and finally classified as a 'Date Rape Drug'???

WOW! From its first caterogory as a Amino Sugar, a GABA pre-cursor, then to in 1990 it was pulled off the shelves in its Sodium Oxybate form. (GNC actually still carried it until late 1991) As the health industry and BB world lashed back with considerable anger , and began to release it under many other names. This being where the influx of brands like Re-Nutrient, Blue Nitro (Swim loved that one) and the list went on and on. And like with any other substance the gov is always far behind whats popular of the time, as every new brand sat around for a while then finally it was jumped on. As this went on for years the FDA was lookin for the means to convince the gov it should be Scheduled. But remember every substance must be proven or disproven harmful before the Supremem Court. So for a number of years the were unsuccessful. But then in 2000/01 under the Clinton administration, GHB was finally nailed to the Schedule 1 stake! FDA was now successful in convincing the gov that it should be no longer a schedule 3 but now a 1. All under the guise of it being a 'DATE RAPE DRUG'. Sad sad sad. (Out of curiousity check out stats of how many girls are raped under the influence of alcohol. its thousands of times higher than any of the few cases of GHB.) But as would be expected of such a highly useful and proven supplement, because it was still proven to be 'a substance with medicinal value' it legally and for the benefit of the 2 major pharmacuetical giants, also stayed a Schedule 3 drug. What? Yes its the only drug both scheduled as a 1 and 3. A contradiction in the law! Why? Because 1 is any harmful substance that has no medical value. 3 - is a substance that has medical and health value. And this is why in many cases a good lawler can help lesson the sentence.

Why did they even go after such a thing as beneficial? Well Swiys can think about it till another time. But perhaps think about many of the beneficial supplements , drugs, chemicals, and even in some cases herbs that the FDA has banned only to see six months later it be released under a new name now owned not by hundreds of companies and on the shelf for a few dollars, but by 1 or 2 Pharmacuetical Corporations that pay the FDA millions each year to work for them so they can own them and sell them for extremely higher prices.!!!

Reputation Comments on this post:

Finally! Someone answers my call for *informed* discussion. Yay!

[MrG]

I love you electrosleaze.

Thank you, finally we have something going on here!

Now that SWIWE can see how it does indeed belong in the nutrient section, SWIWE do still admit that it is a "grown up" substance. In that, as young people can be pretty fucking reckless at the best of times, it is something that requires a sensible approach to its use.

As for comparison with Vitamin C, SWIY is right, large amounts of Vit C taken as Ascorbic Acid would indeed play havoc with ones intestines, but taken as Calcium Ascorbate then very high regular doses can be taken with little or no complications. One could possibly draw a comparison between GHB and GBL in that GBL appears to not be as well tolerated and also appears to cause issues in regards to cessation of long term use.

The question then turns to GHB and SWIM feels that it would be cool to be able to track down any evidence showing the effects of long term daily GHB use on the body. He is already pretty convinced that it is a very neutral substance as there are never any gastric signals usually associated with poor absorbtion of a substance, but he would like to confirm that there are not any other areas in the body that may be negatively affected.

[OnlyUsersLoseDrugs]

interesting reads people.. iv got a couple of facts id like to add-
gbl/ghb are classed as "date rape" drugs because the substances are only in the body for solong. by the time a girl has been given it, been raped and gone to hospital the drug is long gone out of your system, average time 6-8hours. Therefore, maybe another reason bb's use. unlike steroids which stay in your system for longer period?ghb/gbl comes, does its thing then leaves you to shine in all your glory.. i dont know much about bb'ing protocol, im guessing theyd have regular drug tests? hence why i figure the longevity of the drug in your system plays a key part in bb's use.
im not too failiar in the differences of ghb and gbl. i do know gbl is a somehow more concentrate for of ghb, requiring only a couple of mls for the full on effect, then a lesser dose every hour or so after the first dose. so i dont understand why people use ghb? it involves carting around bigger bottles and having to take a larger dose of that awful taste!!
in saying all this ou gotta love it.....