Bodybuilding and GHB

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Does anyone know how or why, bodybuilders use GHB?

[adzket]

yes it is to help the body relax and heal quicker after a heavy gym session apart from this it does nothing. your better of just sticking to protein shakes, taking time to warm down and not over doing it in the first place. it also helps with boosting seritonin levels so you don't feel so down, depressed and worn out but 5htp can help with this. there is another thread about this i will see if i can find it.

[adzket]

found it hear it is.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...hlight=ghb+gym

may i also sugest you learn how to utfse.

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thanks!

Originally Posted by adzket

may i also sugest you learn how to utfse.

hhehe. did a search on bodybuilding, and it came out blank

[python22]

GHB was used in bb'ing, but not as extensive as you might think. It was no more important than basic supplements, training, and eating. It was used to enhance some form of their routines, but was not a major reason as to their gains.

[electrosleaze]

Swim could spend hours writing why bodybuilders supplement G. You notice the word 'supplement'? The reason why is because that is exactly what it is and was. SWIM use to go right down to the local GNC or any other health store and purchase it. Pure Sodium Oxybate! With clear directions on how to take and how much. Take before bed was most preferred. What does it do? Besides a host of productive things for the human body and brain, in regard to bodybuilding, In the most elementary terms and explanation, it is a MAJOR HGH Producer and Releaser! Bodybuilders are always lookin gfor natural supplements to increase there Human Growth Hormone levels. GHB is directly connected to this! In fact up to 16x the amount normal, more than any other natural supplement discovered. And as mentioned, its valuable to reducing sore muscles and healing. This is the most important part to increasing growth, size, and strength. As SWIM works out he is actually breaking donw muscle fibers. GHB's release of massive amounts of HGH help these muscles heal quickly.
Also if taken before working out it helps SWIM with increased strenth and endurance. The same endurance thats also experienced during sex or dancing .
SWIM finds it th ebest thing to come down on from long weekends or extended partying. Why? Same reasons. It actually heals the body. Helps recupriate. Often helping remove the next day blogs.
This is just a fraction of WHY. Check the 'IRON MAG' 2000 Sept issue for a complete article or do research on any reputable sites. Also should be mentioned all through the eighties and early nineties, GHB was used and promoted at 'Life Extension Clinics' around the world much the same as HGH Shots Therapy is still today. And it was given at a very high price too.
There was a time when a person could go to a gym and half the bodybuilders would have there G right in there workout bags. That all came to a crashing end in 1991/92 when the 'higher powers' forced the removal off the shelves.

For sometime GHB was the most sought after and highest sold supplement next to the average Amino Protien Shake. GHB is found in almost everything we eat. In fact with test a person can find it in the average piece of steak. So too, its in every Protien Shake on the market still. Why? Because its within the Amino make-up of our foods. This includes shakes. But in very, very fraction amounts. Sold as a supplement alone though, it contained many mope times GHB. In turn it was prized as a FANTASTIC HGH producer and releaser.

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wow. that was interesting reading electrosleaze!

do you happen to remember the mg/kg that was suggested to take before bedtime?

you write that BB's also would have GHB in theie workout bags. do you know at what time it was suggested to use it, and at what dose?

cheers!

[electrosleaze]

Usually between .5 - 1.5 g of powder. But since powder doesnt really exist pure grade anymore on the shelves, SWIM would really hav to get to know his own body and tolerance. Everyones diffrent. Whats so amazing about GHB and its effects is that its one of the few substances/supplements that has a perfect equilibrium! GHB is reknowned for inducing sleep right? Its even been put on top as a so called 'date rape' drug. But its equally amazing that the same 'Scheduled 1 "Drug" is also a Scheduled 3 Prescription. The only Drug that is. Whats it prescribed for ? Heres the punch: Its prescribed for Narcolepsy. Yes people who involintary fall asleep. It keeps them awake. And actually balances there sleeping. Perfect equilibrium! In small dosages it can help a person sleep deeply. In larger dosages it can actually give LOTS of energy and increase fat breakdown and reduction. Resulting in the infamous 'G' munchies. So Swim would hav to get to know his own threshold and tolerance. Same as with alcohol. Everyone is well educated as to how much or how little they can take.
It takes time and practice. But usually a little dose 20 min before working out is good. If Swim feels like it is to much then caution should be taken. Working out can be dangerous if Swims feelin too good. But usually in small amounts, half cap, is sufficient. The key is to dose G progressively in small amounts. This goes for at the gym or everyday chillin. Often people stick to certain suggested dosage like a teaspoon or cap. But often this is not nessacarily the safest. Why? Because G builds in the system. And so one cap Swim might not feel but then another followed is too much. So its better to dose in smaller amounts progressively. Again just like alcohol as a sad comparison. But the principle the same. So befor eworking out even a small dose is extremely beneficial! Even if you dont feel it. Why? because its increasing your HGH levels and working towards increased growth.
Swim is well aware of the beautiful results of G used as a supplement. For many years Swim seen first hand the results of many associates and friends, including Swim himself. No Steroids, No Illegal substances. Again thats why G as well as many other products since has been sadly missed in the BB community. Cause it was a remarkable substance that helped the body grow naturally without the use of steroids and there bad side effects.

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Originally Posted by electrosleaze

Usually between .5 - 1.5 g of powder.

is this dose for sleep or bodybuilding?

erowid says 3 - 5 g to induce heavy sleep..

wow. 16x the times growth hormone! does swiy have any references for it?

cheers!

[carat]

Originally Posted by electrosleaze

Usually between .5 - 1.5 g of powder. But since powder doesnt really exist pure grade anymore on the shelves, SWIM would really hav to get to know his own body and tolerance. Everyones diffrent. Whats so amazing about GHB and its effects is that its one of the few substances/supplements that has a perfect equilibrium! GHB is reknowned for inducing sleep right? Its even been put on top as a so called 'date rape' drug. But its equally amazing that the same 'Scheduled 1 "Drug" is also a Scheduled 3 Prescription. The only Drug that is. Whats it prescribed for ? Heres the punch: Its prescribed for Narcolepsy. Yes people who involintary fall asleep. It keeps them awake. And actually balances there sleeping. Perfect equilibrium! In small dosages it can help a person sleep deeply. In larger dosages it can actually give LOTS of energy and increase fat breakdown and reduction. Resulting in the infamous 'G' munchies. So Swim would hav to get to know his own threshold and tolerance. Same as with alcohol. Everyone is well educated as to how much or how little they can take.
It takes time and practice. But usually a little dose 20 min before working out is good. If Swim feels like it is to much then caution should be taken. Working out can be dangerous if Swims feelin too good. But usually in small amounts, half cap, is sufficient. The key is to dose G progressively in small amounts. This goes for at the gym or everyday chillin. Often people stick to certain suggested dosage like a teaspoon or cap. But often this is not nessacarily the safest. Why? Because G builds in the system. And so one cap Swim might not feel but then another followed is too much. So its better to dose in smaller amounts progressively. Again just like alcohol as a sad comparison. But the principle the same. So befor eworking out even a small dose is extremely beneficial! Even if you dont feel it. Why? because its increasing your HGH levels and working towards increased growth.
Swim is well aware of the beautiful results of G used as a supplement. For many years Swim seen first hand the results of many associates and friends, including Swim himself. No Steroids, No Illegal substances. Again thats why G as well as many other products since has been sadly missed in the BB community. Cause it was a remarkable substance that helped the body grow naturally without the use of steroids and there bad side effects.

Does Swim take this every day of the week or only on workout days? And for how long does Swim take this non stopping, a few weeks, a month or even longer?

[electrosleaze]

Swim can take it everyday if Swim wills. Remeber, GHB is in almost Everything we eat easpecially meats. It is a major release of IGF-1. GHB is THE BEST secretagogue discovered to release HGh and IGF-1.

If Swim or any friends are truly interested in learning the truth behind the wonderful discovery and health benefits of GHB consider reading the well known books written right before the Pharmacuetical machine and its whore the FDA distorted its reputation such as The DEMONIZATION of GHB by Ward Dean MD ,

Slowing Down and Reversing the Clock with G.H.B. By Dr. James Hughes

There are many Anti-Aging Clinics that still stand behind the belief that GHB truly is a wonderful anti-aging substance.
There is info still out there even on the web. Be careful though for most of the easy to find info is sponsored by the gov and is misleading and false. Dig...
Heres the link and references to just some of the comments made...

http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironmag/2000_gw_ghb.htm

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/ext...hbdemonize.htm

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[~lostgurl~]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ some very good info, SWIM checked out "The Demoization of GHB" by Ward Dean MD and found it to be very interesting, especially in regards to toxicity of GHB, GBL & 14B, definately a good read, cheers for the info

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very good stuff you've got there electrosleaze! thanks a lot!

Does anyone know how IV doses compare to oral doses?

are oral doses absorbed completely, but it takes longer time, or does SWIM has to use a slightly higher oral dose to acceve the same effects as the 2.5 grams IV.

[MrG]

Watched a fascinating documentary called "The man who's arms exploded", it was primarily about this funny short-arsed yank (Greg Valentino) who had *really* overdone the steroids and grew these ridiculous biceps - google his name and see for yourselves - usualy story, made a million, lost a million and one. Anyhoo, they also interviewed a british self-declared steroid "expert" (Mick Hart) who discussed about bodybuilding and steroid use.

At one point during the programme he starts to talk about a substance that "melted the fat away and made him feel fantastic, a truly wonderous substance, that he had started out taking half a teaspoon and ended up doing more than two 100g tubs a day and how it had nearly killed him, addiction battling, sorrow, heartache, blah blah blah" - well at this point I hit pause on the ol' sky+ remote and confidently stated to the wife that I bet my left nut he was about to say that the substance was GHB.

Of course I was right.

He even wrote a sad, poorly written, story about it called "Tears on a keyboard"

Most of you can probably guess the main jist of it without having to read it first, but here is a condensed version of some of the key points:

1. Tub of powdered GHB (probably labelled as Sodium Oxybate back then) lands on his desk with instruction to take half a teaspoon in liquid and to report on it for his steroid magazine.
2. Amazed at how it makes him feel and how his body fat drops off and his workouts go through the roof
3. Admits he has recently been going through rough patch with his family
4. Takes more and more GHB
5. Still going through rough patch with family
6. Declares that the correct dosage should be *just* a level teaspoon before going to bed
7. Trouble with family
8. Staying later at the gym and stopping off at the pub on the way home for a few bevvies to avoid having to face the missus
9. Taking even greater doses of GHB (can you see where this is going?)
10.Repeatedly falls over, does stupid stuff, hurts himself, other people, quits and gets his story written up in our favourite ani-ghb reactionary (and profit making, don't forget the profit) website.

So, dear reader, it is now time to introduce my good friend SWIM in order to avoid any potential incrimination.

SWIM is a 6'5" 200lb keen bodybuilder who recently decided to find out the *truth* about GHB *versus* what he had seen in the media (get the reference?). SWIM has been experimenting with GHB for the past few weeks using a number of different dosing strategies, but only ever taking it in the evening in the same vein as Mr and Mrs suburbia do a "few glasses of wine to relax" sort of way.

SWIM has not had any alcohol since his experiment began and would advise against it in *all* circumstances - there are people who claim that you can walk that fine line but, really, is it worth the risk? No friggin way.

So, SWIM took a few months off training over the summer and ditched the usual low-fat high-protein diet that accompanies it. Bodyfat went up a few percent and he got a little bit lazy but nothing too problematic.

The arrival of his 125ml bottle of GBL for his home chemistry experiment happened to coincide with his resumption of training and dieting so he was keen to see if purely recreational (daily evening use) would have any effect on how quick he got back into shape again.

Having quickly and easily converted it to nearly a litre of GHB he and his wife (also getting back into her fitness training) began trialling different doses each evening. Sometimes they got all frisky and sexual, other times they merely chilled out. One time she passed out (she's 5'2" and 90lb and had taken the same dose as him!) but, as she had not taken any other CNS, and he had done his research, he simpy made sure she was laying in a comfortable position in bed and that her airways were clear and there were never any problems.

SWIM and his wife now have a pretty good idea of what types of dosing achieve what level of buzz or sedation. - SWIM also realises that, unlike *proper* ecstasy, if SWIM takes more because he starts to feel tired it will simply make him feel even more tired or fall asleep!

Now, SWIM has cycled back on to training and dieting following a few months break before and it usually follows the same pattern in regards to getting back on track and starting to make decent gains in muscle mass, definition and fat loss.

This time, however, and I do state this this is *purely* a subjective experiment, he has noticed a difference.

When he had initially researched G, he believed that the previously, and scientifically observed physical gains were probably due to the repeated high dose IV administrations and he did not actually think that recreational oral dosing would make much of a difference.

Maybe it is due to it being used in conjuction with regular gym workouts and proper dieting but the body fat numbers are tumbling and his muscle mass jumped back on track in the space of two weeks. Previously it would have taken at least eight to ten weeks to really be cutting up again.

SWIM has now purposely allowed the G to run out in order to make sure that no *excuses* are found for not taking a break of at least a week or two before the next lot of GBL arrives for his home conversion as he is still very guarded about something that seems, quite literally, to be too good to be true.

SWIM will gladly keep those of you who are interested informed as to his on-going G experiment in due course.

But back to Mr Hart and his sad, sad, sad, etc. story.

In the few weeks that SWIM conducted his first G experiement and having read Mr Harts tearjerker he observes the following when it comes to using GHB:

1. He claimed that a proper dose is one level teaspoon. - Bearing in mind that he was referring to powdered GHB then he means that he was taking *way* more in one dose than most recreational users take over the course of a whole evening.
2. So it put him on him on his arse. Repeatedly (Alarm bells anyone?)
3. He was already having family problems at home
4. His admission to dropping by the boozer on the way home from the gym confirms that he was mixing alcohol with GHB (stoopid stoopid stoopid)
5. His belief that GHB is addictive shows no validity when, once he reached the point that perhaps he might have a problem with it, he simply stopped using it without any major upsets (no screaming, hellbound, ICU ward withdrawal as claimed by some so-called expert websites). His addiction came through seeking something that helped him avoid his own personal and family problems. - Many substances (usually alcohol alone) are used the same way.

But hey, maybe SWIM is just another fool who's gonna wind up writing his own tearjerker in due course. Can't see it myself with his history but he has to give the ant-GHB crowd some hope.

And we're out.

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wow! 125ml of GBL turns into 1 LITRE of GHB!

[MrG]

Yes but that is a liquid that equates to roughly 1g of ghb per 5ml. A single recreational dose is *usually* between .5 and 1.5g equivalent.

SWIM originally thought GHB was like E, one dose and SWIY set for the night, but it is not. It is more like very very strong alcopops. Take a few doses over a period of time but if SWIY doesn't pay attention it will knock him on his arse.

[carat]

Some good posts, thank you!

I'm wondering, on several bodybuilding forums I read that a lot of peope take GHB in the evening a few minutes before they go to sleep. This will help them to release growth hormone. Swim only takes GHB when he goes out. When he is tired and goes to sleep on GHB after a few hours he suddenly is awake and has lots of energy and then its hard to get back to sleep. Swim assumes that other people also have this problem so does someone knows how this is possible? Swim doesn't have this problem when he is taking GBL.

[MrG]

Well this effect is commonly referred to as the "Dopamine Rebound" but the jury is still out on exactly how GHB affects dopamine in the brain so it may actually turn out to be something else.

As with the Growth Hormone issue, that is another factor that hasn't been entirely proven - probably due to a lack of current research because of the negative media frenzy surrounding GHB.

BB gains may actually just be down to getting lots of quality sleep. It may sound like an odd suggestion but SWIM also recently watched a documentary about a condition called "Fatal Familial Insomnia" - a terrible condition in which the sufferer *cannot* sleep at all and eventually dies. It was proven that, in the early stages of the condition, the patient stops being able to reach "deep" sleep and can only attain "REM" sleep meaning that both the brain and the body cannot repair themselves properly.

We all know that REM sleep is a state in which we dream, but it is the Deep sleep that is the good stuff. You ask anyone who suffers a period of being unable to get quality sleep (New parents, Those under Stress, Those living in noisy environments) and they will all report both mental *and* physical degeneration.

Maybe the GHB allows the user to jump quickly into Deep sleep and allow the body to both repair from the days damage and (if training and good diet is part of the daily routine) lose fat and grow muscle.

Although I would love to hear from any users who have been prescribed Xyrem (the *good* FDA approved name for GHB) over an extended period. Could we soon be seeing muscle-bound narcoleptics in the future?

As mentioned previously, SWIM has observed that recreational users of GHB actually take much less, per dose, of GHB than is prescribed to narcoleptics as a sleep aid. So the fun high SWIY experiences is actually about finding and maintaining the state *before* they have had enough to make them go to sleep.

Rec use: .5 - 1.5g per dose with multiple doses usually taken over the course of the night in a social situation

Pharma use: 6g -9g single dose taken 30-45mins before sleep

To finish this post on the BB issue, SWIM notes that, as with most BB supps, you won't get any gains unless you are actually training and dieting properly. There is no "magic bullet" that lets you wake up in the morning looking like "The Rock". - well, not yet anyway!

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[Nicaine]

This has basically already been said, but SWIM finds the extreme glorifying of GHB a bit suspicious (he could be wrong). We know (A) it's a CNS depressant, (B) Many people find its effects extremely relaxing/pleasurable, (C) it causes a dopamine rebound when it wears off, often resulting in an energized feeling (which doesn't say a thing about its actual effects on physical health).

Is there proof that (A) it boosts serotonin levels, (B) it both produces and releases HGH, (C) increases strength and endurance before a workout, (D) it "heals the body" and "helps it recuperate," (E) it's present in steak and protein shakes {so are small quantities of poisons, but so what}, (F) in larger dosages it can give LOTS of energy and increase fat breakdown and reduction, (G) Isn't REALLY addictive, or not very addictive anyway... etc...

SWIM saw some references posted, which he hasn't checked out. But the number and one-sided positivity of these claims turns on a flashing red light in SWIM's head. He's often seen 'miracle drug' claims made about substances that people find tremendously enjoyable to use, particularly if said substance has been demonized and/or made illegal.

SWIM simply urges skepticism about what SWIY reads... both here and elsewhere on the Net. He's stated his piece... that's it.

[MrG]

SWIY makes some excellent points there Nicaine and SWIM is very keen on finding *verifiable* evidence against GHB. He has already done a great deal of research online with his bs filter set to high but apart from the general care needed when experimenting with any CNS there, so far at least, does not appear to be any other negative factors.

With regards to SWIY's first paragraph of observations, SWIM is definitely not trying to lionize the substance, if anything he is really trying hard to find fault in it as it has, so far at least, proved to be unlike anything he has experimented with before. In respect to how it affects physical health, SWIM has found that ingesting it does not result in any of the usual gastric signs of a substance that the body is having trouble with absorbing, so that is a good sign at least. It clears from the body pretty damn fast in the short term and as for the long term, we may well need to turn to Jazz Pharmaceuticals and seek answers from their ongoing studies of narcoleptic patients prescribed Xyrem. These are patients who will be taking *very* large doses of GHB *every* night before bed ad infinitum. As for the dopamine rebound, as SWIM mentioned previously, he has found conflicting viewpoints on exactly what the user is experiencing and whether it is anything to do with dopamine rebound at all.

As for SWIY's second paragraph, SWIM agrees totally, there is no hard proof of any of the claims for the benefit of GHB. That is why SWIM is *really* doing his research. But, insofar as his own experiments are concerned, it *seems* to give rise to a number of beneficial effects.

SWIM does not make any "miracle" claims with regards to this substance and he is experimenting with it primarily as a daily supplement instead of as a social mixer. Even so, he finds it hard to justify why people would constantly dose themselves during the day (that type of use of *any* substance apart from air and water is alarming to say the least) and he is simply using it during the evening for a few hours before sleep.

As stated previously, SWIM has yet to find any proof of active HGH, Strength and Endurance gains or increased energy that can be directly linked to GHB other than the simple fact stated - quality Deep Sleep.

During SWIM's online research he has noticed that, due to the "cut n paste" nature of internet opinion, there may well be a cacophany of noise trying to convince the reader to one viewpoint but further investigation often goes on to prove that it is the quieter voices that hold the real truth.

[zera]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

This has basically already been said, but SWIM finds the extreme glorifying of GHB a bit suspicious (he could be wrong). We know (A) it's a CNS depressant, (B) Many people find its effects extremely relaxing/pleasurable, (C) it causes a dopamine rebound when it wears off, often resulting in an energized feeling (which doesn't say a thing about its actual effects on physical health).

Is there proof that (A) it boosts serotonin levels, (B) it both produces and releases HGH, (C) increases strength and endurance before a workout, (D) it "heals the body" and "helps it recuperate," (E) it's present in steak and protein shakes {so are small quantities of poisons, but so what}, (F) in larger dosages it can give LOTS of energy and increase fat breakdown and reduction, (G) Isn't REALLY addictive, or not very addictive anyway... etc...

SWIM saw some references posted, which he hasn't checked out. But the number and one-sided positivity of these claims turns on a flashing red light in SWIM's head. He's often seen 'miracle drug' claims made about substances that people find tremendously enjoyable to use, particularly if said substance has been demonized and/or made illegal.

SWIM simply urges skepticism about what SWIY reads... both here and elsewhere on the Net. He's stated his piece... that's it.

All those reasons are secondary to GHB's primary reason for being popular among bodybuildrs: it's a replacement for alcohol. If you're doing a cycle of 'roids you can't really booze unless you hate your liver, so bodybuilder's started using GHB to get drunk instead. It also helps to work out the next day when you're not hung over as shit.

And MrG Greg Valentino did a lot more than steroids to get those biceps. He injected synthetic oil into his arms, those aren't overgrown muscles that's a viscous, dense liquid under his arms.

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[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by zera

All those reasons are secondary to GHB's primary reason for being popular among bodybuildrs: it's a replacement for alcohol. If you're doing a cycle of 'roids you can't really booze unless you hate your liver, so bodybuilder's started using GHB to get drunk instead. It also helps to work out the next day when you're not hung over as shit.

Somehow this is all making more sense now.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by zera

All those reasons are secondary to GHB's primary reason for being popular among bodybuildrs: it's a replacement for alcohol.

Yeah, thanks for that - I'm sure Trinka appreciates your flip comment. It certainly makes my previous posts pale into insignificance.

Jesus fucking H, why don't we all just condense every forum discussion down to the lowest common denominator?

We can all just then sit around like Beavis and Butthead sniggering about boobies and bongs.

The type of BB who resorts to 'roid use usually doesn't give a flying one for the state of their liver anyway, they are only ever after quick and easy mass (never mind the quality, feel the width).

SWIM feels that, following intensive and ongoing research, too much ill-informed opinion (both positive and negative) is spouted about GHB and he feels that it is turning out to be a *far* more interesting substance than most people realise.

No SWIM is *not* championing it, he is merely asking for some decent and intelligent discussion based on facts.

Come on all you lurkers, there are bound to be a few of you out there who can contribute some knowledge. Don't delay, register today!

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[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by MrG

Yeah, thanks for that - I'm sure Trinka appreciates your flip comment. It certainly makes my previous posts pale into insignificance.

Jesus fucking H, why don't we all just condense every forum discussion down to the lowest common denominator?

It was cynical, but SWIY doesn't believe there's *any* truth to it?

SWIM has recently been using phenibut, which he supposes can be called a relative of GHB (third cousin, or something?). He's really been enjoying the effects, minor as they are... if GHB is really ten or a hundred times better, SWIM thinks it would be extremely addictive. Perhaps insidiously, to the point that the user would not care they were addicted until their supply was unpredictably interrupted.

SWIM will have to try it sometime (difficult as it is to acquire in the USA) to form a real opinion on it... until then he will shut up, but at least HERE on drugs-forum it doesn't seem to hurt to have the positive claims balanced out by some negative ones. Even if they're really cynical.

[MrG]

Of course there is truth in it, but that truth isn't worth spending time trying to have an intelligent discussion about. There are a dozen other threads in this forum dedicated to pet monkeys who like to get high or discussing the rights/wrongs/morality of getting wasted.

The very first post in this thread asks why do BB's take GHB, any friggin idiot can say "oh it's coz it's a cool way for them to get toasted!".

As for the negativity of my comments, I would like to remind those hovering over the neg rep trigger that I am merely counterpointing the cynicial post, not the poster.

I would love to hear some balanced negatives about GHB but trust me, the web is chock full of cut 'n paste retards all trying to shout louder than each other in order to appear knowledgeable. Usually for profit, so we don't need more nonsense posted for free.

Again, as I have said multiple times, (takes deep intake of breath) I do not, and am not, lionizing, championing, promoting, justifying, recommending, advertising, marketing, pushing, preaching or teaching. I just hoped this thread could develop into a well-informed *discussion* about why BB's may (and again, I do not personally recommend anyone use GHB, but I do have a very good friend who seems quite keen on his G experiments) wish to use GHB and what benefits AND harm may come out of ingesting the stuff.

I tells ya, sometimes . . . you kids! (shakes fist) . . . - not you though Nicaine. You're old (adopts Beavis and Butthead snigger)!